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[catgirl18]

Loki is Odins son or kidnapped son
I think a father should not torture his own child no matter what he has done.
I am 18 and have no kids but that's what I think

 

[Smashlilman]

You do realize your entire argument is against things that have actually happened several times in the comics right?

Punishing Loki wouldn't be "unnecessary" bloodshed since Loki has actually killed thousands of living beings, besides I'm not saying Loki should be killed only punished.

Yea. The other thing that people seem to forget is that Human lives arn't view by the Gods and other Higher level being as being as important as there live. The gods view humans like humans view animals.

If I went out and killed a thousand puppies would I be executed or just spend an extend period in prison.

Loki is Odins son or kidnapped son
I think a father should not torture his own child no matter what he has done.
I am 18 and have no kids but that's what I think

You don't know much history do you. Monarchs kill there relative all the time. Brother fight and kill each other for the thrown. There have been Kings/Emperors to execute people in there extend and immediate family.

 

[The Morningstar]

Loki is Odins son or kidnapped son
I think a father should not torture his own child no matter what he has done.
I am 18 and have no kids but that's what I think

This is Odin we're talking about here. He doesn't take kindly to disobedience by his children.

Frankly, mythological Odin was a bit of a *****e bag. Marvel's Odin is much more lenient, but still has one hell of a temper on him.

 

[catgirl18]

Yea. The other thing that people seem to forget is that Human lives arn't view by the God and other Higher level being as being as important as there live. The gods view humans like humans view animals.

If I went out and killed a thousand puppy would i be executed or just spend an extend period in prison.



You don't know much history do you. Monarchs kill there relative all the time. Brother fight and kill each other for the thrown. There have been Kings/Emperors to execute people in there extend and immediate family.

I would not hurt my child especially if it is my adoptive child.
in the movie Loki is the way he is because of his “father” Odin, if he treated Loki the same way he treated Thor he wouldn’t have to prove to his father that he is worthy and probably wouldn’t have done anything bad, I mean Odin adopted Loki you don’t love one more than the other. Then again we wouldn’t have a story.
I don’t think Odin did good by hiding Loki’s Frost Giant heritage he, like many parents in the real world with adopted children, tried to hide the fact that Loki wasn’t his child by blood in an attempt to protect him (a tactic that always comes back to bite the parents in the ass). I think Odin and Frigga should have sat down and told Loki when he was a child, would it have made things better? I don’t know, but it would have been the correct thing and may had avoided many problems for Loki.

 

[Smashlilman]

This is Odin we're talking about here. He doesn't take kindly to disobedience by his children.

Frankly, mythological Odin was a bit of a *****e bag. Marvel's Odin is much more lenient, but still has one hell of a temper on him.

He's still nicer than Biblical God. Killed every person on the planet out side of Noah's immediate family for being Doucebags.

I would not hurt my child especially if it is my adoptive child.
in the movie Loki is the way he is because of his “father” Odin, if he treated Loki the same way he treated Thor he wouldn’t have to prove to his father that he is worthy and probably wouldn’t have done anything bad, I mean Odin adopted Loki you don’t love one more than the other. Then again we wouldn’t have a story.
I don’t think Odin did good by hiding Loki’s Frost Giant heritage he, like many parents in the real world with adopted children, tried to hide the fact that Loki wasn’t his child by blood in an attempt to protect him (a tactic that always comes back to bite the parents in the ass). I think Odin and Frigga should have sat down and told Loki when he was a child, would it have made things better? I don’t know, but it would have been the correct thing and may had avoided many problems for Loki.

Loki was inherently villainous. He's a Frost Giant. He would have always be cruel. His cruelty just turned on Odin and Asgard when he felt betrayed.

 

[catgirl18]

He's still nicer than Biblical God. Killed every person on the planet out side of Noah's immediate family for being Doucebags.

Loki was inherently villainous. He's a Frost Giant. He would have always be cruel. His cruelty just turned on Odin and Asgard when he felt betrayed.

http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/12/loki-an-allegory-about-internalised-racism/

that at was long a conversation on tumblr
No one is evil just because he belongs to a different other race.
you have a funny kind of thinking

 

[captainrogers]

Plus, Odin wouldn't have the luxury of only treating Loki as a Son.
He has to treat Loki as his subject as well.
He IS King after all. Ultimately he has to treat matters as such.

 

[Smashlilman]

http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/12/loki-an-allegory-about-internalised-racism/

that at was long a conversation on tumblr
No one is evil just because he belongs to a different other race.
you have a funny kind of thinking

Frost Giants are vicious by nature. You can't place human traits onto them because they don't conform with what you believe. Not saying that he can't be nice or do nice things its just that that the nature of the Frost Giants.

Frost Giants are just the Demons/Devil of Norse Mythology.

 

[Incredible Hans]

http://www.socialjusticeleague.net/2011/12/loki-an-allegory-about-internalised-racism/

that at was long a conversation on tumblr
No one is evil just because he belongs to a different other race.
you have a funny kind of thinking

Right. No one is evil because he belongs to a different other race. IN REALITY.

In fiction, however, there can exist such things as demons, devils etc. that are evil by birth.

While "evil by birth" is a concept that I'd consider racist in real life, it is just fitting for mythology. Demons, for example, are evil. They are part of a eternal force that wants destruction and suffering since the beginning of time. So demons (and possibly frost giant) are not a race like Europeans, Black, Asians etc. They are more like Tolkien's orcs or the Gremlins from the old movie.

 

[catgirl18]

Plus, Odin wouldn't have the luxury of only treating Loki as a Son.
He has to treat Loki as his subject as well.
He IS King after all. Ultimately he has to treat matters as such.

I would always choose the side of my child

 

[catgirl18]

Right. No one is evil because he belongs to a different other race. IN REALITY.

In fiction, however, there can exist such things as demons, devils etc. that are evil by birth.

While "evil by birth" is a concept that I'd consider racist in real life, it is just fitting for mythology. Demons, for example, are evil. They are part of a eternal force that wants destruction and suffering since the beginning of time. So demons (and possibly frost giant) are not a race like Europeans, Black, Asians etc. They are more like Tolkien's orcs or the Gremlins from the old movie.

they're just like everyone else I think the Jotun are a beautiful culture.
The people of Asgard are too arrogant.
for them there is only asgard

 

[captainrogers]

I would always choose the side of my child

That's wonderful, but as queen or king of an entire realm, one HAS to try and remove oneself from that emotional aspect a bit.
'heavy is the head that wears the crown' and all that...
I'm a father, myself, and let's just say, if it came to a decision like this...I'd be glad I Wasn't King.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

But that's always been the great thing about Thor, sure he starts out arrogant but he has the potential to be such a better King than Odin. Sure Odin's wise but he's made a **** load of mistakes and I think Thor has the potential to be more forward thinking as a ruler, through his experiences on Midgard.

 

[Smashlilman]

I would always choose the side of my child

This is what happens when you don't kill evil children. If only King Author would have kill his son Mordred earlier he wouldn't be dead.

 

[Incredible Hans]

they're just like everyone else I think the Jotun are a beautiful culture.
The people of Asgard are too arrogant.
for them there is only asgard

Well, there is no point in arguing about it. It's just a matter of taste. Do the authors want the Frost Giants to be a demon-like evil race or just a different nation "like everyone else"?

Of course, both concepts would work.

BTW, I just remember how surprised I was that even such an intelligent man like Reed Richards called the skrulls "one of the most evil races of the universe". Since the skrull are not demons or anything like it, they shouldn't be considered evil as a whole...

 

[catgirl18]

That's wonderful, but as queen or king of an entire realm, one HAS to try and remove oneself from that emotional aspect a bit.
'heavy is the head that wears the crown' and all that...
I'm a father, myself, and let's just say, if it came to a decision like this...I'd be glad I Wasn't King.

my dad would choose me and I am only his adoptive child

 

[Smashlilman]

Well, there is no point in arguing about it. It's just a matter of taste. Do the authors want the Frost Giants to be a demon-like evil race or just a different nation "like everyone else"?

Of course, both concepts would work.

BTW, I just remember how surprised I was that even such an intelligent man like Reed Richards called the skrulls "one of the most evil races of the universe". Since the skrull are not demons or anything like it, they shouldn't be considered evil as a whole...

The Skulls are the Nazi of the Universe. They live to fight and concur other planets and enslave there inhabitants. Its inherent to there species.

 

[Incredible Hans]

The skulls are the Nazi of the Universe.

But Nazi is an ideology, not a race. Skrull is a race.

 

[Incredible Hans]

my dad would choose me and I am only his adoptive child

If I had a child (adoptive or not), I would do the same.

 

[JoeyConQueso]

Loki sure does love his tailored suits.

 

[cherokeesam]

If Frost Giants are "inherently evil," and incapable of possessing any redeemable qualities, then (a) Odin wouldn't have even bothered trying to sign a peace treaty with them (which he did), and (b) he sure as hell wouldn't have felt sorry for a baby Jotun and adopted him and brought him into his own home.

Frost Giants have redeeming qualities. Odin *recognized* that.

Besides, I strongly doubt the cinematic Odin is going to be allowed to be nearly as *****e-y as comic-book or even mythological Odin. The studio has no need nor desire to show a "dark side" to Odin by allowing him to do the Prometheus-type torture on Loki.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

But Nazi is an ideology, not a race. Skrull is a race.

It still works as an analogy.

 

[Guerrilla]

I personally would prefer for thor to bring back loki to asgard so odin can punish loki. Which is what we are likely to see. This moral argument aside, bringing loki home for judgement makes good sense...odin is king. He makes the rules. I would love to see odin throw loki into a world where he couldnt speak or chain him to whatever and have a snake drip poison into his eyes. These punishments are harsh enough and still give loki the oppurtunity to break out again later or make a deal with someone or something else in exchange for freedom in other films. I wouldnt hate it if thor killed loki in the heat of the final fight. But it seems highly unlikely. Afterall, taking loki back home is a sign of respect both to odin , as the judge and king, and to loki as the kings subject and son

 

[Rock Sexton]

You mean in the Avengers: News and Speculation Thread? So much more. Why do some people still act surprised over stuff like this? It's what we do, get over it. If you don't want to analyze it then why ruin others' fun?

It's one thing to discuss some of the obvious things ..... but the level to which some of the rest being discussed is dare I say on the verge of obsessive/compulsive. JMO.

 

[cherokeesam]

It's one thing to discuss some of the obvious things ..... but the level to which some of the rest being discussed is dare I see on the verge of obsessive/compulsive. JMO.

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