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[cherokeesam]

Or, like in the original run, they don't know their own backstories

Exactly. Younger generations think that the Pietro/Wanda/Magneto connection was always canon, but us older Avengers fans know that writers didn't come up with that until *much* later in their Avenger careers.

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver work just fine in their pre-Magneto concept, and don't require any mutant abilities at all. "Witch" in Wanda's name is a primary point --- rather than making her a mutant, the MCU could just make her powers supernatural in origin....i.e., an actual spell-casting witch.

 

[Xeno]

Not everything about a character has to be revealed for the character to work well. The Magneto connection doesn't matter here as Magneto is not even in the film! Not that it wouldn't be great to see it revealed one day in a film in which they both are in, however unlikely.

Their origins can stay mysterious for quite a long time without making much of a difference in the movies. Even when the writers decide to flesh out Wanda and Pietro's background, they don't need to specifically state who their father is. Fans will fill it in form their own knowledge of the comics universe, while the GA can probably live with a little mystery.


Wanda is essential as an Avenger, but Pietro also has an important place as a connection to Cosmic Marvel through his association with the Inhumans. Through his membership in the Inhuman Royal Family, he is also tied in with the Kree and their interstellar conflicts. It's easy to see why Marvel would have acquired the twins specifically, given their future plans.

 

[Xeno]

Exactly. Younger generations think that the Pietro/Wanda/Magneto connection was always canon, but us older Avengers fans know that writers didn't come up with that until *much* later in their Avenger careers.

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver work just fine in their pre-Magneto concept, and don't require any mutant abilities at all. "Witch" in Wanda's name is a primary point --- rather than making her a mutant, the MCU could just make her powers supernatural in origin....i.e., an actual spell-casting witch.

One should also bear in mind that in the MCU, magic has been established as incredibly advanced science. Clearly the Asgardians can manipulate energy in a variety of ways not possible for humans, without necessarily using visible technology. Wanda's powers could be explained in much the same way.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

A Dr. Strange film is also in the works. That would go a long way towards establishing magic as something other than advanced science in the MCU. Or at least as a force resembling magic that humans can manipulate.

 

[Spideyfan93]

About the April 11th Hollywood Premiere...


they must be ******* confident about this movie releasing out to the critics almost a whole damn month before release! OMFG!

 

[Zant]

Still don't believe the Magneto kids stuff, need proper evidence thats all.

 

[craigdbfan]

Speaking of Dr. Strange does anyone have any actors in mind?

I have mine but I realize he'd be labeled as "predictable". It's Johnny Depp for me.

He'd do what RDJ did for Iron Man essentially.

 

[Superhero 101]

Patrick Dempsey

 

[Herolee10]

About the April 11th Hollywood Premiere...


they must be ******* confident about this movie releasing out to the critics almost a whole damn month before release! OMFG!

Indeed; but then again, based on everything that we've heard so far, there hasn't been any negative reaction as far as we know from the early screenings that they had where the film didn't even have its special effects and music completely finished yet.

 

[Xeno]

About the April 11th Hollywood Premiere...


they must be ******* confident about this movie releasing out to the critics almost a whole damn month before release! OMFG!

There might be an embargo on reviews until closer to the US premiere, however. But there is sure to be some industry buzz one way or another afterward. If we see box office predictions skyrocketing after the premiere we can infer that people who saw the screening liked it.


One thing I find really heartening is that the film is going to be completed with plenty of time to spare. In the past there have been some effects-heavy films that went right down to the wire before the finished product was ready to print and distribute. Whedon obviously had a handle on the process and delivered (or will deliver) his film with time to spare. It can be troubling when word leaks out that the director will be editing and SFX will be worked on right down to the last minute.

 

[Spideyfan93]

Transformers 2 comes to mind.

On the Blu Ray Making Of...he was editing color coding minutes before the premiere lmfao!

 

[jacobed]

I think Patrick Dempsey would make for a phenomenal Dr. Strange

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Speaking of Dr. Strange does anyone have any actors in mind?

I have mine but I realize he'd be labeled as "predictable". It's Johnny Depp for me.

He'd do what RDJ did for Iron Man essentially.

He's done that with too many other characters already though. Robert Downey Jr. owns Iron Man because it's HIS franchise and the one he's most famous for. There's no spark left in a Johnny Depp portrayal. His "Iron Man" is Jack Sparrow, who's run his course.

I'm in the Patrick Dempsy bandwagon.

 

[The Watcher]

Just to raise a thought and speculate, if you recall the post-credits scene after Thor (during which Selvig meets Fury about the Cube, and Loki is revealed to be controlling Erik), it was said by Skarsgård (the actor who plays Selvig) that Joss Whedon actually directed the post-credits scene.

It might be possible that we'll see such a scene in The Avengers - much like how the Branagh-directed Iron Man 2 post-credits scene was part of the Thor film.

Just a thought, though.

 

[Smashlilman]

Speaking of Dr. Strange does anyone have any actors in mind?

I have mine but I realize he'd be labeled as "predictable". It's Johnny Depp for me.

He'd do what RDJ did for Iron Man essentially.

You don't want Depp. His price is to high and it would be near impossible to retain him for future films. RDJ was washed up before IM revived his career. That's why it worked out with him.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I sort of hope they own the rights to Cable, so that there can be a Deadpool & Cable movie sometime in the near future.

I don't know how I feel about Marvel owning the rights to Wanda & Pietro. I like that they can be Avengers, but it'll take a big aspect of their characters away if they weren't former Mutant Terrorists under the leadership of their dad. :/

Deadpool is at Fox, not Marvel Studios.

Wanda and Pietro weren't always with Magneto. Hell, they've been Avengers longer than Black Widow.

Exactly. Younger generations think that the Pietro/Wanda/Magneto connection was always canon, but us older Avengers fans know that writers didn't come up with that until *much* later in their Avenger careers.

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver work just fine in their pre-Magneto concept, and don't require any mutant abilities at all. "Witch" in Wanda's name is a primary point --- rather than making her a mutant, the MCU could just make her powers supernatural in origin....i.e., an actual spell-casting witch.

This. So this.

About the April 11th Hollywood Premiere...


they must be ******* confident about this movie releasing out to the critics almost a whole damn month before release! OMFG!

LA press screenings are the last week of March. NYC press screenings begin first week of April. I'm sure they're very confident about the film.

I think Patrick Dempsey would make for a phenomenal Dr. Strange

I know Marvel wants him for the role and all but, jeez, the guy is really not a good actor. To be a standout bad performance in a Transformers movie takes a lot of (lack of?) talent. And he lacks the much needed balance of charisma and pensive menace.

I know there are plenty of people who can play the role (i.e Johnny Depp types) but my vote is still for Oded Fehr.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

He's done that with too many other characters already though. Robert Downey Jr. owns Iron Man because it's HIS franchise and the one he's most famous for. There's no spark left in a Johnny Depp portrayal. His "Iron Man" is Jack Sparrow, who's run his course.

I'm in the Patrick Dempsy bandwagon.

So, you're saying Depp has nothing left in the tank? Granted he's already had some very iconic characters but that's just silly to think he wouldn't be able to pull off Strange. I'm not saying he's my choice for the role but if he were chosen, however unlikely, he'd knock that sh_t outta the park.

 

[The Infernal]

A Dr. Strange film is also in the works. That would go a long way towards establishing magic as something other than advanced science in the MCU. Or at least as a force resembling magic that humans can manipulate.

I think if you're going to make a Dr. Strange film, then make a Dr. Strange film. Don't go muddying up the waters by saying 'space magic/science'. It won't work for a character that magic is so ingrained into his very existence, I'm sure if it would only be fans that would balk at that.

A character like Mandarin on the other hand wouldn't be too hurt if they used the 'space magic/science' gag. His rings are already alien tech, you could just say that any sort of mysticism that he seemingly employs is just effects from the alien tech.

 

[irapogi]

My problem is that it's hard to differentiate his characters over time. His mad hatter felt a lot like a manic jack sparrow mixed with willy wonka for example. then again, that could just be me

 

[Chewy]

There might be an embargo on reviews until closer to the US premiere, however. But there is sure to be some industry buzz one way or another afterward. If we see box office predictions skyrocketing after the premiere we can infer that people who saw the screening liked it.

Nah the movie comes out on April 25th overseas, so there will be plenty of reviews before then. My guess is with an April 11th premiere, on April 18th embargo will lift

 

[Poni_Boy]

Nah the movie comes out on April 25th overseas, so there will be plenty of reviews before then. My guess is with an April 11th premiere, on April 18th embargo will lift

Set visit embargo is lifted on April 2nd. Review embargo is lifted on April 16th.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I think if you're going to make a Dr. Strange film, then make a Dr. Strange film. Don't go muddying up the waters by saying 'space magic/science'. It won't work for a character that magic is so ingrained into his very existence, I'm sure if it would only be fans that would balk at that.

That's what I'm saying. But if I hadn't added the last sentence there then some helpful ass hole would have come along and explained to me that "Magic in the MCU is just advanced science, didn't you watch Thor for Christ sake?!?" and I didn't want to deal with that kind of **** tonight.

 

[darkslayer101]

so....about that tv spot that one person in the forum saw..
did anyone catch it yet?

 

[Xeno]

Nah the movie comes out on April 25th overseas, so there will be plenty of reviews before then. My guess is with an April 11th premiere, on April 18th embargo will lift

I should have made it clear that I was referring to reviews for US media outlets. Of course foreign press will have reviews up earlier, but here they'll go live later, not just because of any embargo but because of the dictates of the news cycle. We'll get plenty of exposure to reviews from other countries through RT early on.

So, you're saying Depp has nothing left in the tank? Granted he's already had some very iconic characters but that's just silly to think he wouldn't be able to pull off Strange. I'm not saying he's my choice for the role but if he were chosen, however unlikely, he'd knock that sh_t outta the park.

Having watched the Dark Shadows trailer with a real sense of horror, I can't be so confident of Depp's ability to handle Doctor Strange. The promotional photo released for The Lone Ranger was horrendous. Depp has gone back to the "quirky" well one too many times. I doubt Marvel would let him do any such thing with Strange, however, even were he interested.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I should have made it clear that I was referring to reviews for US media outlets. Of course foreign press will have reviews up earlier, but here they'll go live later, not just because of any embargo but because of the dictates of the news cycle. We'll get plenty of exposure to reviews from other countries through RT early on.


Having watched the Dark Shadows trailer with a real sense of horror, I can't be so confident of Depp's ability to handle Doctor Strange. The promotional photo released for The Lone Ranger was horrendous. Depp has gone back to the "quirky" well one too many times. I doubt Marvel would let him do any such thing with Strange, however, even were he interested.

See my comment above about the embargo lift dates. That's for all media outlets not just UK/Int

As much as Depp being cast as Dr. Strange uninterests me, he's not a completely oddball choice. He's a good actor and Disney/MS know that he will put butts in seats and guarantee at least a huge opening weekend. It's not like he's be horrible for the part; he's more of a safe bet that doesn't fit MS' track record of casting unknowns.

That Lone Ranger photo was tracking very well according to Disney's figures and the Dark Shadows trailer is as well (especially with critics who ware really hesitant about the project). If all pans out he'll have two more big hits under his belt.