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[Whiskey Tango]

I'm tired of people thinking Asgardian magic is "advanced science" NO because Thor saying "they're one and the same" is just saying Asgardians use at magic the same way we use science.

Besides, Loki was called the master of magic multiple times and Odin placing that enchantment on Mjolnir using only words wasn't "science" it was freakin' magic.

le true

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Jim Caviezel for Doctor Strange.

 

[marcvader]

So what's this I'm hearing about Wanda and Pietro going back to Marvel Studios?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Jim Caviezel for Doctor Strange.

I don't hate it.

 

[MrGreen]

I know its kinda impossible but I would like to se Norton in the role of Dr. Strange almost as much as I want Norton back for Banner

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm tired of people thinking Asgardian magic is "advanced science" NO because Thor saying "they're one and the same" is just saying Asgardians use at magic the same way we use science.

Besides, Loki was called the master of magic multiple times and Odin placing that enchantment on Mjolnir using only words wasn't "science" it was freakin' magic.

i think you're over-reacting...

A) the films really haven't touched much upon it period enough yet for anyone (even you) to be right or wrong.. so people are allowed to believe their own theories.

B) by "one in the same" it could also be implied that both races call things "magic" that they don't understand. Once they understand it, it becomes a science. (at least that's what they call it on earth).

C) I don't personally see any harm between mixing magic and science and using them as synonyms for eachother in that context. Even Star Wars put a Science to there "jedi/sith magic" with there mediclorians. I don't see a harm in putting a science to magic in the marvel universe either... It's alot more believable to come up with an idea of creation of magic rather than just saying "poof there it is, don't question it"

 

[BigThor]

i think you're over-reacting...

A) the films really haven't touched much upon it period enough yet for anyone (even you) to be right or wrong.. so people are allowed to believe their own theories.

B) by "one in the same" it could also be implied that both races call things "magic" that they don't understand. Once they understand it, it becomes a science. (at least that's what they call it on earth).

C) I don't personally see any harm between mixing magic and science and using them as synonyms for eachother in that context. Even Star Wars put a Science to there "jedi/sith magic" with there mediclorians. I don't see a harm in putting a science to magic in the marvel universe either... It's alot more believable to come up with an idea of creation of magic rather than just saying "poof there it is, don't question it"

No, I'm pretty sure Odin speaking enchantments into existence is magic and Loki creating duplicates with no use of technology is clearly magic.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't like how people are defending RDJ/Tony being larger than Chris Evans/Cap in the promo stuff.

There's been... what, 6(?) movies which have lead up to this movie. The marketing team/whoever really shouldn't feel as though they MUST stick Iron Man at the front in order for this movie to sell.

Don't get me wrong, I know they're playing it safe, but it seems stupid. They're already in the clear, I honestly don't think that NOT putting Iron Man at the front of some of the promo stuff will suddenly cause somebody to change their mind and not watch this movie.

it's about trying to reach an even broader audience.. it's smart marketing. Are the fan's really not going to go see this movie because they saw RDJ's head on a japanese poster bigger then caps? No. You will go see it anyway. But will a person who's not a fanboy, but liked ironman, and likes robert downey jr, go see the avengers because they notice him on a poster (while they don't really notice anyone else) yes.

the only people getting all upset about it are the fanboys who are horrified that japanese big head rdj poster = him being the focus of the film (which isn't the case, we've had countless reports saying cap is the leader, the team is equal, and RDJ filmed all his scenes pretty quickly compared to everyone elsese) so take a breather.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

No, I'm pretty sure Odin speaking enchantments into existence is magic and Loki creating duplicates with no use of technology is clearly magic.

never said it wasnt... but there could be a science to why they have those abilities (not literal earth science) think more sci-fi/fantasty) like the worlds tree grant's them these abilities... etc. There's a good book of scientific theory and how it applies to the X-men, is it science fact? no. but they apply it to how it could work.

 

[MrGreen]

i think you're over-reacting...

A) the films really haven't touched much upon it period enough yet for anyone (even you) to be right or wrong.. so people are allowed to believe their own theories.

B) by "one in the same" it could also be implied that both races call things "magic" that they don't understand. Once they understand it, it becomes a science. (at least that's what they call it on earth).

C) I don't personally see any harm between mixing magic and science and using them as synonyms for eachother in that context. Even Star Wars put a Science to there "jedi/sith magic" with there mediclorians. I don't see a harm in putting a science to magic in the marvel universe either... It's alot more believable to come up with an idea of creation of magic rather than just saying "poof there it is, don't question it"

I think that the film Thor used magic in a lot of ways but never felt that way, it made it feel so natural. How is Odin's spell not magic? how is Loki banishing the casket not magic? how is Loki throwing some kind of hadokens not magic? I mean, the list goes on and on...

 

[BigThor]

it's about trying to reach an even broader audience.. it's smart marketing. Are the fan's really not going to go see this movie because they saw RDJ's head on a japanese poster bigger then caps? No. You will go see it anyway. But will a person who's not a fanboy, but liked ironman, and likes robert downey jr, go see the avengers because they notice him on a poster (while they don't really notice anyone else) yes.

the only people getting all upset about it are the fanboys who are horrified that japanese big head rdj poster = him being the focus of the film (which isn't the case, we've had countless reports saying cap is the leader, the team is equal, and RDJ filmed all his scenes pretty quickly compared to everyone elsese) so take a breather.

What he's saying is everyone already knows RDJ is going to be in this film, making his head bigger and giving him more spotlight in the trailer isn't going to make people want to see the film more.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

What he's saying is everyone already knows RDJ is going to be in this film, making his head bigger and giving him more spotlight in the trailer isn't going to make people want to see the film more.

but you assume that "everyone" knows about this film... there's alot of people in the world who don't follow these movies.

hell with that logic you might as well not advertise at all

 

[MrGreen]

What he's saying is everyone already knows RDJ is going to be in this film, making his head bigger and giving him more spotlight in the trailer isn't going to make people want to see the film more.

As an example I'll use myself. I wouldn't be interested in a Sherlock Holmes movie but I saw them just because RDJ was playing Sherlock. Just like almost every teenage girl will see any Depp movie just because he is in the movie.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think that the film Thor used magic in a lot of ways but never felt that way, it made it feel so natural. How is Odin's spell not magic? how is Loki banishing the casket not magic? how is Loki throwing some kind of hadokens not magic? I mean, the list goes on and on...

again, i didnt say it wasn't magic. But that there could be a mystical science behind all of it. The Energy from the worlds tree, the heart of the star itself being full of "magical" energy that allows odin to cast a "spell" on it, etc.. the golden apples of asgard could also grant magical abilities. etc...

i'm just saying that the words can be interchangeable.

On earth when we don't understand something, we call it magic (until we figure out how to create it ourselves), and I just think what thor was saying is that on asgard, they do the same. What's magic to them, might not be on another planet.

 

[Incredible Hans]

No, I'm pretty sure Odin speaking enchantments into existence is magic and Loki creating duplicates with no use of technology is clearly magic.

The Vikings called it magic.

Earth's scientists of our time would probably speak of something like "psionic abilities that are able to manipulate matter and energies". They would try to find a scientific explanation.

But nevertheless, it's the same thing. That how I understood the "magic and science are the same"-sentence.

 

[Guerrilla]

Someone spelled it out for me perfectly, a couple of days ago. They said something ti the affect of....magic in asgard, is something that can be studied and learned much like science can be studied and learned. Most likely in the MCU earth people have mostly forgotten how to study and learn magic...but in asgard you can learn either or both. Makes sense to me. Plus, as bigthor and others have said...clearly, odin whispering enchantments is magic..and whats his name called loki "a master of magic" so yeah, its friggin magic.

 

[Incredible Hans]

Someone spelled it out for me perfectly, a couple of days ago.

That someone was me.t:

 

[Guerrilla]

That someone was me.t:

It was! And i thank you!

 

[Rock Sexton]

Jim Caviezel for Doctor Strange.

I enjoyed that one movie he did "Frequency" with Dennis Quaid .... but for the most part I find him to be so bland.

Personally, I kind of like Michael Sheen for the part. He's a very engaging, charismatic actor.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

What he's saying is everyone already knows RDJ is going to be in this film, making his head bigger and giving him more spotlight in the trailer isn't going to make people want to see the film more.

Yep, that's my sentiment as well. RDJ's ego is big enough, must Marvel Studios really make it any bigger? Captain America should be the central focus of The Avengers, not Iron Man.

I understand why Disney/Marvel is marketing the film around RDJ but at this point, it wouldn't hurt the film's revenue stream if the marketing slowly changed the guard.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I enjoyed that one movie he did "Frequency" with Dennis Quaid

I that movie.

 

[BigThor]

but you assume that "everyone" knows about this film... there's alot of people in the world who don't follow these movies.

hell with that logic you might as well not advertise at all

You're clearly didn't understand that post, I'm saying he's going to be in every trailer & poster anyways so making him stand out more than others is not going to make people want to see the film.

I never said everyone knows about this film, I said everyone knows RDJ is IN this film meaning everyone who knows about the film knows about him being in it.

Yep, that's my sentiment as well. RDJ's ego is big enough, must Marvel Studios really make it any bigger? Captain America should be the central focus of The Avengers, not Iron Man.

I understand why Disney/Marvel is marketing the film around RDJ but at this point, it wouldn't hurt the film's revenue stream if the marketing slowly changed the guard.

I'm used to RDJ being the focus, but I was saying that giving him the spotlight would not make anyone want to see the film anymore than they would if he was being treated like a regular cast member.

 

[Guerrilla]

I like david tennant, daniel day lewis, or maybe viggo mortenson for doctor strange.

 

[Splat]

I'd prefer there not be a Dr Strange movie but that's just me.

 

[Chewy]

Robert Downey Jr is the star. Robert Downey Jr will be treated as the star.

People find the most insignificant things to complain about.