The Avengers The Avengers: News and Speculation - Part 27A sub-se - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 52

[Whiskey Tango]

Is it possible to make a stickied thread for FAQs?

Yeah, but a mod will have to maintain it if it's locked and you have to lock it or people will post in it, even if you write DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD over and over again.

 

[metaphysician]

On A:EMH she didn't seem to have a problem controlling him with hallucinations. I don't profess to be a Thor scholar, but if he's not weak to magic what IS his weakness?

Aside from the already mentioned fact that he used to turn into Donald Blake, why does he need a "weakness"? He's strong and tough to a certain level; does that mean that "somebody stronger than him" is a 'weakness'? His hammer Mjolnir can do certain magical feats, and not others; does that mean it has a 'weakness'?

IMO, the entire idea of "weaknesses" is mostly leftover cruft from the DC golden/silver age, where the default for a powered character was "do anything unless exposed to magical arbitrary vulnerability." Even back in the Marvel silver age, characters didn't work like that. By and large, they just had power sets, with certain ( sometimes broad and flexible ) capabilities at certain ( sometimes vaguely defined ) power levels, and any 'weaknesses' are simply the natural properties of those powers ( like a lack of ranged attacks ).

Short version: you don't beat Thor by hitting him with Asgardian-nite. You beat him, by having something or someone powerful enough to hurt him, hurt him.

 

[MrGreen]

It wasn't directed at you pal. I'm not passive aggressive. If I wanted to make a smarmy comment at you it would have been in a reply. Sorry to say but it was your fault for assuming.

I asumed it was for my comment because it was right next to it and you never answered my question. The only speculating before me was the Red Skull base in Germany or something like that, and then after you made your sarcastic comment you told me that there was no mind gem. So I think that after those two comments its safe to asume you were talking to me.

 

[WildcatNC]

I don't see it....Oh well its ok, no biggie.

I don't think you have enough posts for one yet.

 

[protocida]

I asumed it was for my comment because it was right next to it and you never answered my question. The only speculating before me was the Red Skull base in Germany or something like that, and then after you made your sarcastic comment you told me that there was no mind gem. So I think that after those two comments its safe to asume you were talking to me.

t:

 

[mara]

Aside from the already mentioned fact that he used to turn into Donald Blake, why does he need a "weakness"? He's strong and tough to a certain level; does that mean that "somebody stronger than him" is a 'weakness'? His hammer Mjolnir can do certain magical feats, and not others; does that mean it has a 'weakness'?

IMO, the entire idea of "weaknesses" is mostly leftover cruft from the DC golden/silver age, where the default for a powered character was "do anything unless exposed to magical arbitrary vulnerability." Even back in the Marvel silver age, characters didn't work like that. By and large, they just had power sets, with certain ( sometimes broad and flexible ) capabilities at certain ( sometimes vaguely defined ) power levels, and any 'weaknesses' are simply the natural properties of those powers ( like a lack of ranged attacks ).

Short version: you don't beat Thor by hitting him with Asgardian-nite. You beat him, by having something or someone powerful enough to hurt him, hurt him.

Weakness? What weakness?! Thor has no weakness lol Agreed. Takes a God to beat a God kinda thing IMO. t: Least that's how I like to think of him.

 

[mara]

I don't think you have enough posts for one yet.

Ah. That would explain it. Thanks.

 

[Poni_Boy]

t:

OH MY GOD REMEMBER WHEN DE NIRO WAS A GOOD ACTOR?!

 

[Silvermoon]

I don't see it....Oh well its ok, no biggie.

I don't think you have enough posts for one yet.

No, according to the FAQs in the tech/support forum she has enough (it's 300posts) http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=137235 (or does she have to have over 300 posts for over a month?)... mara, maybe try clearing out your cookies/cache and then logging back in. If that still doesn't work I'm sure someone in the tech/support forum can probably help you out (me, no avatar, but I still have a bit to go before I hit 300 posts - promise I'm not the mole though )

As for that frozen cap picture...still lovin' it. If my desktop weren't cycling through the UHQ textless posters & banners that freshman found, that would definitely still be my background *lol*

 

[mara]

No, according to the FAQs in the tech/support forum she has enough (it's 300posts) http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=137235 (or does she have to have over 300 posts for over a month?)... mara, maybe try clearing out your cookies/cache and then logging back in. If that still doesn't work I'm sure someone in the tech/support forum can probably help you out (me, no avatar, but I still have a bit to go before I hit 300 posts - promise I'm not the mole though )

As for that frozen cap picture...still lovin' it. If my desktop weren't cycling through the UHQ textless posters & banners that freshman found, that would definitely still be my background *lol*

Thanks! Appreciate it.

Yup my desktop is cycling through quite a few lately! t:

 

[Brian Braddock]

OH MY GOD REMEMBER WHEN DE NIRO WAS A GOOD ACTOR?!

Still is, but unfortunately he's now old and very lazy.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Still is, but unfortunately he's now old and very lazy.

Or paid his dues and taking it easy.

 

[C. Lee]

Either that or it is James Arness´s son...

Nice reference

 

[Brian Braddock]

Or paid his dues and taking it easy.

Well, there is that way of thinking.

All those restaurants dont pay for themselves, though. The fees he gets from appearing in crap help somewhat.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Well, there is that way of thinking.

All those restaurants dont pay for themselves, though. The fees he gets from appearing in crap help somewhat.

"I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific." - Michael Caine on Jaws: The Revenge

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[Crimson King]

Aside from the already mentioned fact that he used to turn into Donald Blake, why does he need a "weakness"? He's strong and tough to a certain level; does that mean that "somebody stronger than him" is a 'weakness'? His hammer Mjolnir can do certain magical feats, and not others; does that mean it has a 'weakness'?

IMO, the entire idea of "weaknesses" is mostly leftover cruft from the DC golden/silver age, where the default for a powered character was "do anything unless exposed to magical arbitrary vulnerability." Even back in the Marvel silver age, characters didn't work like that. By and large, they just had power sets, with certain ( sometimes broad and flexible ) capabilities at certain ( sometimes vaguely defined ) power levels, and any 'weaknesses' are simply the natural properties of those powers ( like a lack of ranged attacks ).

Short version: you don't beat Thor by hitting him with Asgardian-nite. You beat him, by having something or someone powerful enough to hurt him, hurt him.

I only ask because I was looking for some vulnerability in the character. People complain that Superman is overpowered and I tend to agree. Thor gets some of the same criticism, but my reply has always been that he can be beaten with magic. If a character isn't vulnerable to anything, then that makes for a boring character (IMO). There's no tension on the part of the reader because you know the guy is going to win out in the end. All superheroes need some sort of failing. It's what makes them, and their stories, interesting.

 

[Brian Braddock]

"I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific." - Michael Caine on Jaws: The Revenge

t:

Hehe = I can still remember Caine accepting his Oscar from the set, $$$ signs in his eyes.

>shiver<

God, now I'm reminising about Jaws 4 - Hoagie managed to outswim the shark, for God's sake!!!

 

[eddy]

FAQ threads are nigh impossible to maintain since the threads reset every few days at peak activity and once they do you can't go back and edit them. I ran into that last year when I was collecting Thor reviews.

There should be a post sticked listing all the information but with no discussion in it like the pictures thread on this forum.

 

[04nbod]

Aside from the already mentioned fact that he used to turn into Donald Blake, why does he need a "weakness"? He's strong and tough to a certain level; does that mean that "somebody stronger than him" is a 'weakness'? His hammer Mjolnir can do certain magical feats, and not others; does that mean it has a 'weakness'?

IMO, the entire idea of "weaknesses" is mostly leftover cruft from the DC golden/silver age, where the default for a powered character was "do anything unless exposed to magical arbitrary vulnerability." Even back in the Marvel silver age, characters didn't work like that. By and large, they just had power sets, with certain ( sometimes broad and flexible ) capabilities at certain ( sometimes vaguely defined ) power levels, and any 'weaknesses' are simply the natural properties of those powers ( like a lack of ranged attacks ).

Short version: you don't beat Thor by hitting him with Asgardian-nite. You beat him, by having something or someone powerful enough to hurt him, hurt him.

I think its OK for Thor to have a 'weakness' in the classical sense, an Achilles Heel. That is Donald but his humanity is also one of his strengths. In the Shakespearean sense, his 'weakness' is his arrogance that can come back and haunt him.

I feel its very mythological for Thor to have something like that.

 

[Nova2113]

Probably because I've spent the past two weeks here for several hours a day and it's annoying to see the same repetitive speculation brought up over and over again like it's a "new" thing. It's monotonous and ends up taking conversation backwards instead of moving forward.

I know I'm not the only one who has spoken out about it. Also I'll say again that I really think it would behoove a every News/Speculation thread to have a top post that lists all the definitive facts and rumors that have both been confirmed and debunked. That way the speculation evolves forward logically instead of going in circles while newer people catch up.

I really agree with ya second point. I have been one of those people that has missed previous post and it would be good to see a sticky with everything already discussed so I don't feel like a fool because I'm trying to point out something that has already been brought up.... Since I'm just starting to enjoy this board and really would not look like an JACK OFF.... I thank you

 

[eddy]

LOL. Every thread has someone eventually going "Wait wait, what are you guys talking about XYZ" when all they had to do was go back one page to find the origin of the topic.

 

[mclay18]

I finally watched the Japanese trailer... nice to see Gwyneth doing a cameo in this, as previously rumored.

*crosses fingers and prays for a Natalie Portman or Liv Tyler cameo*

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Why not both? The more the merrier.

 

[Incredible Hans]

I only ask because I was looking for some vulnerability in the character. People complain that Superman is overpowered and I tend to agree. Thor gets some of the same criticism, but my reply has always been that he can be beaten with magic. If a character isn't vulnerable to anything, then that makes for a boring character (IMO). There's no tension on the part of the reader because you know the guy is going to win out in the end. All superheroes need some sort of failing. It's what makes them, and their stories, interesting.

I don't see why he needs any weakness.

Thor can be beaten in combat by the likes of Hulk, Hercules, Beta Ray Bill, Kurse, Juggernaut, Gladiator, Crusader, Red Hulk, Silver Surfer, Midgard Serpent, Surtur, Thanos, Ultron...

Moondragon and Lorelei (with the help of Loki) were able to control his mind/emotions.

Hela was able to curse him, making his bones brittle.

Criminal master minds like Doctor Doom, Kang and Magneto certainly know how to deal with Thor.

So, Thor isn't overpowerd. There are a lot of enemies in the MU who are very dangerous for him. I don't see why he needs a weakness. Hercules is Thor's equal and doesn't have a weakness either.

 

[sabetoonth]

I don't see why he needs any weakness.

Thor can be beaten in combat by the likes of Hulk, Hercules, Beta Ray Bill, Kurse, Juggernaut, Gladiator, Crusader, Red Hulk, Silver Surfer, Midgard Serpent, Surtur, Thanos, Ultron...

Moondragon and Lorelei (with the help of Loki) were able to control his mind/emotions.

Hela was able to curse him, making his bones brittle.

Criminal master minds like Doctor Doom, Kang and Magneto certainly know how to deal with Thor.

So, Thor isn't overpowerd. There are a lot of enemies in the MU who are very dangerous for him. I don't see why he needs a weakness. Hercules is Thor's equal and doesn't have a weakness either.

Get me wondering, is Mjolnir susceptible to magnetic fields?