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[Poni_Boy]

All I'm saying is Marvel's post-Avengers plans had better include non-Avengers heroes and other ensemble films that aren't directly related to the "first" team or these films are gonna get hella repetitive real soon.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

It's not quite as far fetch of an inquiry as one might think, especially to the GA. In comics it's fine because comic book readers have the most accepting imaginations on the planet ...... Movie audiences who've seen the Avengers will definitely wonder why various members are not around when the there's a threat like we'll see in the various solo sequels.

Well, y'know, all you have to do is establish that the heroes have a policy of self-reliance, they take care of the job at hand, only resorting to calling in the others if they truly can't handle it alone, or if there is some expertise they need from one of the heroes.
So, eg, in Iron-Man, you could have the Jarvis A.I. saying to Tony(after he has taken a beating from his latest foe in the first or second act of IM3)

'Shall you be calling in Mister Fury and the team sir?'

'No Jarvis, the day I can't handle a country bumpkin like the Mandarin on my own is the day I hang up the old shell suit for good, what is the point of doing this job if I can't learn from my mistakes and become a better fighter? and i'm not gonna do that by calling on my buddies every time i hit a snag by way of a temporary ass kicking."

So, you can establish that in IM3, and the audience copy and paste that ref into the logic of the other movies too.

 

[Quasimod0]

And anyway, the audience doesnt need to have every little thing explained to them. Heroes face threats alone in the comics all the time

 

[Raiden]

It's not quite as far fetch of an inquiry as one might think, especially to the GA. In comics it's fine because comic book readers have the most accepting imaginations on the planet ...... Movie audiences who've seen the Avengers will definitely wonder why various members are not around when the there's a threat like we'll see in the various solo sequels.

Perhaps in TA when they are all assembled for the very first time, Stark asked Fury directly when they are needed, since they all have their own problems to tend to. Then Fury began to outline the catastrophe that awaits them once Loki obtains the Cube and set his plan in motion. The audience will realize that the Avengers weren't being summoned to take care of a small problem, but a huge one that no single hero can solve on his own.

 

[Xeno]

That in itself is not a valid answer. So let's say Stark faces Mandarin in IM3 .... the rest of them just go, "Nah he's got it. We only jump in when there's a foe that no single hero could defeat alone."

No, the rest of the team either says, "We'd love to help but we're busy (fighting our own villains, dealing with our own problems, sleeping, etc.) and too far away," or they just don't find out about the fight in real time. It's hard to picture Thor, Steve and Banner sitting around watching newscasts at home (or in Asgard) and waiting for the chance to jump into each others' battles. They have lives. They might not even find out about their teammates' doings until after everything is over.

 

[kedrell]

I'm sure they'll all be plenty busy with their own challenges/difficulties/villains which they already do often. I think a better question would be when TA2 rolls around and folks start asking why these mega-villains only seem to do their shtick that requires an entire team of heroes to handle when each of the heroes is currently between adventures and thus can devote full time to beating said mega-villains plots?

 

[Rock Sexton]

And anyway, the audience doesnt need to have every little thing explained to them. Heroes face threats alone in the comics all the time

Apples to oranges.

They never had a team up movie like this after having previous solo films ..... and this IS NOT the comic books. It's the MCU. The viewer is not strictly comic book fans with wild imaginations willing to suspend disbelief at every turn.

 

[Crimson King]

Black Widow isn't confirmed for IM3. That's just the casting company making up who they think might be in it.

The question of why other heroes don't show up is a valid one, but also one that should be easy to explain.

- The others are busy with their own problem. There's plenty of evildoings going on around the world.
- The Avengers is a team designed for global threats.
- These are alpha characters. Who's going to be the first to say, "Hey, I can't handle this single fight?"

I don't think it'll take much suspension of disbelief to buy that a single hero could take on a single villain by himself. Unless you're hell bent on nitpicking, in which case I feel sorry for you.

 

[Xeno]

All I'm saying is Marvel's post-Avengers plans had better include non-Avengers heroes and other ensemble films that aren't directly related to the "first" team or these films are gonna get hella repetitive real soon.

Feige has already spoken of doing Doctor Strange, the Guardians of the Galaxy and other heroes.

 

[kedrell]

Apples to oranges.

They never had a team up movie like this after having previous solo films ..... and this IS NOT the comic books. It's the MCU. The viewer is not strictly comic book fans with wild imaginations willing to suspend disbelief at every turn.

Perhaps not but I think slowly we are training them little by little to be more accepting.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I don't think it'll take much suspension of disbelief to buy that a single hero could take on a single villain by himself. Unless you're hell bent on nitpicking, in which case I feel sorry for you.

Oh c'mon .... how many pages did we go thru in the threads about people who swore others they knew were asking where Spiderman was? You don't think after seeing the Avengers it might cross their minds, "hey where are the rest of the guys?"

 

[Crimson King]

Oh c'mon .... how many pages did we go thru in the threads about people who swore others they knew were asking where Spiderman was? You don't think after seeing the Avengers it might cross their minds, "hey where are the rest of the guys?"

Did those same people ask where Spider-Man was in IM1? Thor? Cap?

No. They're confused because they thought Spidey was in the Avengers. Not the same thing.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Logically it's got to be an issue where they are all tied up with their own affairs. There's really no other rational way to explain it.

That's what I was sayin'. And you're right, even the whole "everyone's tied up" ******** is lame.

INT. STARK MANSION - DAY

Tony gets invaded by Whiplash II (Vanko's son) and calls SHIELD for help...

Tony: "Fury, its me, Tony, I'm in trouble, guy! Send the boys asap!!!"

Fury: "Sorry, broski. Cap's fighting Zola & his peeps in Antarctica, Thor's on a campaign against the Dark Elves of outer space planet 3489 & Hulk's been on a 3-day fight (and counting) with The Juggernaut. I'd give you a hand myself but us SHIELD guys are serving as mediators for Israel & Iran at the time."

Its pretty ridiculous & implies the world is a superhuman madhouse.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Could it be a disagreement with Fury which could ignite the team to go their own ways?

 

[Rock Sexton]

Did those same people ask where Spider-Man was in IM1? Thor? Cap?

No. They're confused because they thought Spidey was in the Avengers. Not the same thing.

Those movies are PRE-AVENGERS!!!!!

They have now established that these guys team up when this movie hits in May.

 

[Quasimod0]

Could it be a disagreement with Fury which could ignite the team to go their own ways?

Could be. I'm hoping they decide to operate outside of shield. But that SHIELD still has a hand in alot of the superhuman going ons

 

[Crimson King]

Those movies are PRE-AVENGERS!!!!!

They have now established that these guys team up when this movie hits in May.

Team up to face a world threat, not team up to face Ghost.

My point stands, though. All those threads about Spider-Man were caused by his inclusion in the Avengers comics and not in the movie, not because people couldn't understand why one hero wouldn't call another.

EDIT: the confusion also derives from people not knowing Spider-Man is with Sony and not Marvel.

 

[TheVileOne]

Poni_Boy didn't you see the movie, why are you saying you don't know if Hulk talks or not?

 

[Splat]

That's what I was sayin'. And you're right, even the whole "everyone's tied up" ******** is lame.

INT. STARK MANSION - DAY

Tony gets invaded by Whiplash II (Vanko's son) and calls SHIELD for help...

Tony: "Fury, its me, Tony, I'm in trouble, guy! Send the boys asap!!!"

Fury: "Sorry, broski. Cap's fighting Zola & his peeps in Antarctica, Thor's on a campaign against the Dark Elves of outer space planet 3489 & Hulk's been on a 3-day fight (and counting) with The Juggernaut. I'd give you a hand myself but us SHIELD guys are serving as mediators for Israel & Iran at the time."

Its pretty ridiculous & implies the world is a superhuman madhouse.

And if you read Fury's Big Week you'll see the MCU is quickly becoming just that.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Team up to face a world threat, not team up to face Ghost.

My point stands, though. All those threads about Spider-Man were caused by his inclusion in the Avengers comics and not in the movie, not because people couldn't understand why one hero wouldn't call another.

What you're saying basically relegates the villains in the solo films to harmless. We all know that's not the case and many of you claim to be comic book purists so it's ironic. Was Red Skull in CA:TFA not a world threat?

 

[Chewy]

But if Iron Man creates Nanobots and they in turn lead to the villain why would he call Fury for help? Why wouldn't he want to clean up his mess himself?

 

[Chewy]

What you're saying basically relegates the villains in the solo films to harmless. We all know that's not the case and many of you claim to be comic book purists so it's ironic.

And at a certain point a hero can't be helped. If Tony has minutes to solve a crisis he can't wait a few hours for the helicarrier to cruise cross-country

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Team up to face a world threat, not team up to face Ghost.

My point stands, though. All those threads about Spider-Man were caused by his inclusion in the Avengers comics and not in the movie, not because people couldn't understand why one hero wouldn't call another.

It makes no sense for them to avoid each other out of some "code" of team efforts only being reserved for global threats.

In the real world (which is where these films are set) if Tony was in trouble, Cap & SHIELD would help.

They wouldn't say "Nah, let him do this one on his own. Its too expensive to fly out to L.A. these days..."

 

[Crimson King]

What you're saying basically relegates the villains in the solo films to harmless. We all know that's not the case and many of you claim to be comic book purists so it's ironic. Was Red Skull in CA:TFA not a world threat?

I don't think that's what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that it's not so much a threat that the hero will need a nuclear bomb to win it.

Also, it's likely that the threat in the solo movies will be personal to the hero. They're not going to whip out the cell phone to take care of things like that. It's their problem and they'll deal with it.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

What you're saying basically relegates the villains in the solo films to harmless. We all know that's not the case and many of you claim to be comic book purists so it's ironic. Was Red Skull in CA:TFA not a world threat?

Exactly.

Why would SHIELD & Stark allow Cap to fight the re-emerged HYDRA by himself?

No, just no.