BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - - - Part 31

[lujho]

Having a balls to do weird stuff and take the narrative into strange directions is pretty much Morrison's M.O. And, as a writer myself, I really do respect him for that.

He should tattoo "ballsy" on his forehead.

People would assume it's just for a photoshoot for his birthday, and not how the real Grant Morrison will appear in the film.

 

[SuperWig]

Alright the more I thought about it last night, the more I realized that I was looking too much into an explanation for the batsuit. After thinking about it for some time, something clicked, and I thought "Wow, I'm being a real *****e for thinking negative about this movie." The fact is, we are all getting a movie. Not a cartoon movie, but an actual movie with batman and Supes. That is all, and anything negative I thought went out the window.

 

[KillerWolf]

People would assume it's just for a photoshoot for his birthday, and not how the real Grant Morrison will appear in the film.

 

[lujho]

Wolf, I just want the movie to show that it's not supposed to be a painted on suit over Affleck's body. I get that with Supes, them showing his biceps veins and all that, I'm cool with that. With batman, I want them to show the bulk as being a protection and not as actual muscle, like a bullet proof vest and high tech shoulder pads.

Like this:

 

[KillerWolf]

Like this:

Yeah, I imagine it would be pretty much this. Fabric of the batsuit that most probably offers some protection against knives and maybe even smaller calibers and underneath it an additional armor on shoulders, chest and abdomen.

Where's this panel from, by the way?

 

[lujho]

Yeah, I imagine it would be pretty much this. Fabric of the batsuit that most probably offers some protection against knives and maybe even smaller calibers and underneath it an additional armor on shoulders, chest and abdomen.

Where's this panel from, by the way?

From the arc that was done by the 100 bullets creative team, a few years ago. Probably 10 years ago, because reality likes to make me feel old. I think it might have been called Broken City.

And yeah, when I first saw the Batsuit, this panel is almost exactly what I thought was underneath it - except whatever Affleck's Bruce is wearing has more rounded shoulders, and extends down the arm. They may not show it, but I think it'll be pretty obvious he has SOMETHING like this, since the bullet holes show that SOMETHING is stopping the bullets, and it isn't the fabric.

I do hope we see the undersuit in a scene like this, just because I think it'd be cool. But it doesn't need endless verbal exposition.

 

[Naked Shia]

yeah, it's broken city.

 

[KillerWolf]

From the arc that was done by the 100 bullets creative team, a few years ago. Probably 10 years ago, because reality likes to make me feel old. I think it might have been called Broken City.

And yeah, when I first saw the Batsuit, this panel is almost exactly what I thought was underneath it - except whatever Affleck's Bruce is wearing has more rounded shoulders, and extends down the arm. They may not show it, but I think it'll be pretty obvious he has SOMETHING like this, since the bullet holes show that SOMETHING is stopping the bullets, and it isn't the fabric.

I do hope we see the undersuit in a scene like this, just because I think it'd be cool. But it doesn't need endless verbal exposition.

Ah, I'll look it up. Thanks.

I find it more likely that armor is actually sewn into the fabric of the batsuit, so I wouldn't expect an exact scene with Bruce wearing just the armor, but they could put it somewhere in the batcave, as Bruce definitely has more than one batsuit and some might be "disassembled" like this. That would be nice to see.

 

[gdw]

I don't think a BIGGER/WIDER mouth hole would necessarily help, but I think a STRAIGHTER/SQUARER one would. Like this:

Just give a nicer, more angular look.

Yes, THAT'S the cut I was hoping for. Well, not that exact cut, but the angling on the sides, but not as sharp and high as that cowl.

At least it's not the full round mouth hole from the Nolan Trilogy. As much as I loved those films, and the suits, including the TDK/TDKR one, the mouth cut out always bugged me. Or rather, it started bugging me when he got the new suit in TDK. I know it's essentially the same cowl save for the neck, but that seemed to affect the over all shape of the head and mouth, or at least made it more apparent.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

We have a whole Trilogy of Lucius Fox explaining how every single thing works, I doubt we're getting that again.

 

[superboy13]

We have a whole Trilogy of Lucius Fox explaining how every single thing works, I doubt we're getting that again.

One of my favorite Bat-exposition Nolan lines is the "it's gonna blow!" one from Begins. Like three times in a 2min span.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I don't think a BIGGER/WIDER mouth hole would necessarily help, but I think a STRAIGHTER/SQUARER one would. Like this:

Just give a nicer, more angular look.

As stated before, I think the problem Matt and a few others have with the cowl is the way it accentuates the lower part of Affleck's face, specifically the area under his chin. The more flattering part of his face - his prominent cheek bones (see diagram) -- is already concealed by the mask, and, for obvious reasons, this needs to remain covered. Even the cowl you just shared with us wouldn't do a whole lot to ameliorate the problems Matt has with the way Affleck looks in certain images, because the lower part of his face (see diagram again) would still be noticeable. For the same reason, a wider mouth opening probably wouldn't work as well. If anything, it might serve to make the problem (if that's what you want to call it) even worse.

 

[SuperWig]

Like this:

Yes!!! Exactly like this. Thank you for posting this.

 

[lujho]

Yes, THAT'S the cut I was hoping for. Well, not that exact cut, but the angling on the sides, but not as sharp and high as that cowl.

At least it's not the full round mouth hole from the Nolan Trilogy. As much as I loved those films, and the suits, including the TDK/TDKR one, the mouth cut out always bugged me. Or rather, it started bugging me when he got the new suit in TDK. I know it's essentially the same cowl save for the neck, but that seemed to affect the over all shape of the head and mouth, or at least made it more apparent.

I know it's a small thing to fixate on, but the mouth-cut is a pretty significant factor to how good a cowl looks. Both Nolan versions were just wrong wrong wrong, and the Batfleck one is definitely the best of the bunch, but yeah, it could be better. The squarer kind with the "nicks" at the cheek-line just LOOKS BETTER.

The Burton/Schumaker cowls were just weird - the mouth holes were wide, but they didn't accentuate the jaw, they just made the jaw look like this thing that was barely poking out of this domed cylinder of the head/neck. And the cut of the hole under the nose didn't make the requisite v-shape.

You can DRAW Batman with an impossibly thin cowl, and an exaggeratedly square jaw with a wide-cut mouth hole that shows the whole jaw... but in real life it doesn't translate as well. That's why, on the Flash TV show, the new cowl with the smaller mouth hole actually looks better.

The cowl I posted (I actually own a cast of it) is very close to the Affleck cowl, but the minor difference in the mouth-hole just makes this minor, but significant improvement.

 

[lujho]

As stated before, I think the problem Matt and a few others have with the cowl is the way it accentuates the lower part of Affleck's face, specifically the area under his chin. The more flattering part of his face - his prominent cheek bones (see diagram) -- is already concealed by the mask, and, for obvious reasons, this needs to remain covered. Even the cowl you just shared with us wouldn't do a whole lot to ameliorate the problems Matt has with the way Affleck looks in certain images, because the lower part of his face (see diagram again) would still be noticeable. For the same reason, a wider mouth opening probably wouldn't work as well. If anything, it might serve to make the problem (if that's what you want to call it) even worse.

True - and that might be true for even the most taut-faced young guy, because no matter what, you can draw a jawline in a cowl and make it look perfect, but in real life you have to accept that human anatomy doesn't always conform to the designs you want to apply to it. People have facial fat, and you can't change that.

Ben's face is, IMO, unequivocally far more conducive to looking good in a bat-cowl than every other Batman actor from Keaton onwards - ever since Daredevil I've thought he was very much a "superhero" faced type guy, so really we don't have much to complain about.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

True - and that might be true for even the most taut-faced young guy, because no matter what, you can draw a jawline in a cowl and make it look perfect, but in real life you have to accept that human anatomy doesn't always conform to the designs you want to apply to it. People have facial fat, and you can't change that.

Ben's face is, IMO, unequivocally far more conducive to looking good in a bat-cowl than every other Batman actor from Keaton onwards - ever since Daredevil I've thought he was very much a "superhero" faced type guy, so really we don't have much to complain about.

Agreed -- especially the emboldened part.

 

[hafizbat]

I don't think a BIGGER/WIDER mouth hole would necessarily help, but I think a STRAIGHTER/SQUARER one would. Like this:

Just give a nicer, more angular look.

I know it's a small thing to fixate on, but the mouth-cut is a pretty significant factor to how good a cowl looks. Both Nolan versions were just wrong wrong wrong, and the Batfleck one is definitely the best of the bunch, but yeah, it could be better. The squarer kind with the "nicks" at the cheek-line just LOOKS BETTER.

The Burton/Schumaker cowls were just weird - the mouth holes were wide, but they didn't accentuate the jaw, they just made the jaw look like this thing that was barely poking out of this domed cylinder of the head/neck. And the cut of the hole under the nose didn't make the requisite v-shape.

You can DRAW Batman with an impossibly thin cowl, and an exaggeratedly square jaw with a wide-cut mouth hole that shows the whole jaw... but in real life it doesn't translate as well. That's why, on the Flash TV show, the new cowl with the smaller mouth hole actually looks better.

The cowl I posted (I actually own a cast of it) is very close to the Affleck cowl, but the minor difference in the mouth-hole just makes this minor, but significant improvement.

Agreed. That cowl is pretty much perfect. Hopefully someday they make it work on screen. My favorite cowl is the Arkham Origins version. This manip of Affleck in that cowl is excellent.

 

[wehofilmfan]

I'm pretty sure that originally the upper angular "cuts" in the face opening were just artists trying to portray the way his cheekbones made the cowl bend across his face, not literal triangular cuts in the mask. Over time, it became more pronounced and a stylized thing, though.

 

[Manofplastic]

still love this suit alot.

i understand the tactical look it holds, but i would have enjoyed a layer of fabric over it in the same look or teint.

in a way, the more 'mechanical' or 'technical' the bat-man looks,
the less threatening and impressive he looks. The possibility of such a torso build to really be all muscle power is threatening concidering he's like a police force that holds no boundaries and doesn't hold back with the mere exclusion of killing.

i think batman not killing actually makes him even more dangerous as a vigilante, as it shows his utter focus and dedication.

anyway, i can't wait to see this movie pan out. snyderfleck suit is killer.
absolutely alley.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Agreed. That cowl is pretty much perfect. Hopefully someday they make it work on screen. My favorite cowl is the Arkham Origins version. This manip of Affleck in that cowl is excellent.

I vastly prefer the BvS cowl. I always thought the origins cowl was overrated.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Really it just looks like an improved upon nolan cowl.

 

[The Shape]

I don't think a BIGGER/WIDER mouth hole would necessarily help, but I think a STRAIGHTER/SQUARER one would. Like this:

Just give a nicer, more angular look.

We don't really know how that would actually look on Affleck, or if it would be better than the cowl he has now. I'm sure they had many different cowl designs that they tried before settling on the official one. I look forward to seeing the inevitable Blu-Ray feature about the costume designs for this film.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Like this:

Is it me or this picture is very homoerotic? A seemingly naked man in his panties holdng a gun...

 

[regwec]

it is if you want it to be.

 

[The Shape]

As stated before, I think the problem Matt and a few others have with the cowl is the way it accentuates the lower part of Affleck's face, specifically the area under his chin. The more flattering part of his face - his prominent cheek bones (see diagram) -- is already concealed by the mask, and, for obvious reasons, this needs to remain covered. Even the cowl you just shared with us wouldn't do a whole lot to ameliorate the problems Matt has with the way Affleck looks in certain images, because the lower part of his face (see diagram again) would still be noticeable. For the same reason, a wider mouth opening probably wouldn't work as well. If anything, it might serve to make the problem (if that's what you want to call it) even worse.

Take a look at all this chin fat....