WOW......first off comparing the HULK to a mass murderer or rapist, people who constantly kill be it they are crazy or sane, and do it with the knowledge and intentions of pleasure, is an insane comparison.
If you knew there was a monster that you saw was indestructible WOULD YOU GO AFTER IT. H*ll the F**K NA!!!
people who commit crimes are always not aware of the damage they are causing, simply by either being mentally unstable or somewhat ******ed and unaware of what affect their actions are really causing. so Yeah, the hulk in this film has killed and therefore lacks the mental capacity to understand the effects of his actions while in the moment. That's why he'd killed before the film and kicked a somewhat defenseless blonksy to near death and also tried to strangle him to death at the end and was persuaded not to.
If a monster had tried to kill me and my daughter, and I was somewhat responsible for its creation then yes, i have a responsibility to bring it to justice.
as for being indestructible, there is no indication of this in the film especially when ross started his crusade against him. Even at the end of the film, he gets hurt getting penetrated by bone so no, he's not indestructible.
Hurt was so much more than just obsessed with the power of the Hulk. He wanted to rid the world of Him or enslave him *Undertones* "As far as I am concern that whole man's body is property of the U.S. Army."
Hurt showed no hate or malice or ridding of the hulk, the trailers consistently showed he believed banner is a property of the goverment and saw him primarily as something to be brought in and researched and so did banner.
Banner showed no indication that the government wanted to 'destroy' him, rather try to harness the powers of the hulk which may end up killing him but his primary concerns were their inability to control it.
We need an antagonist in the film. Someone to make Banner Angry or at least push his buttons, repeatedly.
Well if someone was trying to continually kill you and keep you away from his daughter, i would call that motivation enough. Besides he had blonksy. I don't know why you bring up this motivation because in neither film did ross directly cause the hulk to manifest.
Also, if you think about it...Since Hurt's Ross new you couldn't kill the Hulk at least not with anything he has got in his arsenal, he may as well try to capture it.
This sentence is based on no fact at all. There's no where in the film did they say they couldn't kill it and that capturing it was a last form of action. Capturing him was always the priority.
And just because we do not see Hurt's Ross tap, Betty's phone like we did in the 03 version, doesn't mean he probably didn't do it. Heck why else would Norton have to go back into hiding. Things were not peachy king with him and Hurt at the end of the movie. The act of Hurt/Ross letting Hulk go and not chasing him at that moment was his way of saying thanks. H*ll he was probably thinking, "I'm tired, your tired, My daughter and I almost died. You saved us. I hate that you did, but at least I'm alive and Betty is alive. I can see that part of Bruce is in there. You cleaned up my mess. I'll get you some other day....you can bet on it"
Ok, i'm getting very tired of these weak arguments people keep throwing. Just because you don't see it doesnt mean it doesn't happen. Sorry, that's not how I was taught basic comprehension. Apart from natural human things like giong to the bathroom and washing, it i don't see it, it doesn't happen and you can't say it any other way.
I can also prove hurt didn't tap betty because he had completely no indication that banner was with betty until samson betrayed them. No idea what so ever and why would he? She had started dating someone else.
*sigh*
Banner's actions at the end of the film are somewhat inconsistent with everything else. The hulk is somewhat excepted but he still can't trust the government of wishes to try out some other avenues. It personally doesn't make sense to me.
as for letting the hulk go, your description is not consistent with the fact he's boozing in a bar after the event. He acts like he's lost his big chance in the bar, not for some kinda mutual respect for the hulk, he's clearly not focussed or relieved which is what someone who released a wild animal (like the hulk) would be into getting him back or letting it go respectively.
This was conveyed in his face and is implicit but implied if you know about conveying emotion without speaking.
the scene is on youtube, show me exactly where you mean because i see acceptance of defeat on his face.
I mean come on....Hurt/Ross has been chasing him for 5 Years....you would be obsessed if your life's work and reputation slips through your hands.
Hurt was better.....better motivation, better character analysis, better over all reason for not liking the HULK. Disgruntled dad is a bad approach compared to Power Hungry jerk on film.
I don't see any manifestation of thunderbolt ross that would let him go without a fight even if he did save his life 2 seconds earlier, that's how deep the obsession is.
How cold hurt have a better character analysis? He has far less screen time than Elliot, has less dialogue, less interaction with his troops, less interaction with the hulk, Less interaction with betty and his character doesn't flip from teh original all the way through the film.
Considering there were two families being portrayed on film and elliot's inability to want history to repeat itself, I do think that brings more depth to the 'taking down' the hulk threat ross originally has, it's a personal vendetta on multiple levels now, against david's son, banner individually and also the hulk. And you can see in every scene which one of those manifestations of the character is playing on his mind.
hurts' hulk was always always the rogue experiment he wanted to test. Doesnt' really care about the fact the hulk nearly killed him or his daughter, doesn't care about the lives or property damage the hulk causes, I don't even think he holds a grudge against the hulk, clearly by letting him go at the end.
Elliot's ross spends one solid year chasing a ghost when the hulk threat is supposedly eliminated. Thunderbolt goes to kick back in a bar....
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AND the reason it has worked so long in the comics or well [whatever you said] is that IT IS THE COMICS.....certain things translate better to comics than they do film, and vice a versa. Plus you have explore other motives if you want Comics do be around for 30 years....
...Geesh...if we had 8 Hulk movies then. I would say that Elliott's Ross would be a good angle, but I do not want to see it in the 1st film.
That's not true, how many monster films have been released where the army simply wants to eliminate the threat, how many alien invasion films or sci fi programs based on characters being hunted?
It's a solid line which is suppose to make us think of how the army is technically doing a good thing but because we side with bruce, we can see his relationship with them and the turmoil it causes. If you simplify it and simply make the army 'evil' then they become boring and stale.
A neutral army can always play a part in a film because that's there job. However when characters like the absorbing man, the leader and everyone else starts comnig into the film wanting the hulks power,the army are going to be in that line up with the very same motivation and they become stale.
Comic movies and especially Hulk should be an ACTION ADVENTURE with certain exploratory elements [sci-fi, romance, drama], not a comic pseudo-psychoanalysis, drama, or whatever.
You're wrong here. Very wrong. The best hulk stories in the past have really dealt more with bruce/hulk and their interactions with one another as well as their shared loved ones and hated foes. They've dealt with the multiple personality aspects and the drives of both the intense characters.
unfortunately the hulk is now mainly a plot device in the comics to have newer 'hardcore characters' test their strength against to establish themselves as worthy opponents.
Hulk's not spiderman, he's not ironman, he's inspired by doctor jekyll and mr hyde, that's a pretty deep psychological read, why bother dumbing it down to action adventure, what's so adventurous from a suicidal man running away from the government as his alter ego kills innocents in rages of anger
WE ALL KNOW about the Hulk....I don't need to see a movie where an 1 Hour goes by telling me who the Hulk is and where he comes from and bull crap antagonism between ROSS and Banner, when it can be simplified and get to the point, their stances should be this ROSS-"I can stop you and control you" Banner-"Please don't try.....but if you want to, I warned you"
Get to the Gold baby the good stuff. Hurt was the good stuff. He wasn't polished and neat and pretty like Elliot. Elliot is to me what X-Men the Movie would have been if they wore "Yellow Spandex". It is too cheesy and basic. [Enter Batman and Robin-very comicy and cheesy and basic, as compared to Begins, Returns, the First Movie, and soon to be TDK movie].
Hurt, Hurt, Hurt!
Well it probably seems you do need to see a hulk film like that because you feel the character is an action adventurer like indiana jones or something
Those two sentences don't sum up their relationship at all, with all respect I think you've missed the core of the characters.
Wait first of all you are going on about the detail ang lee's hulk spent on character development and now you're describing elliot as basic, it makes no sense (especially since he had more screen time). I could give you a detailed list of all the aspects of his character covered.
what cheesy lines did elliot give, anything more cheesy than 'my god, he's really doing it' ??
Dude, you know you can't make a bandR vs batman begins comparison to these two actors, even I can't do that. If anyone truelly thought that, the poll wouldn't be so even...
let's not bring in any hyperboles shall we.....