The Brave and the Bold News and Discussion Thread

[Iceman]

"Fine" sums this up for me.

 

[TMP98]

He's not of Chinese or Arab descent, as far as I know, but, a potential new Robin could be the most recent Peter Pan , 16 year old Alexander Molony

Damien Wayne : Alexander Molony

he's half middle eastern, but he was so flat as peter pan imo

 

[Frodo]

he's half middle eastern, but he was so flat as peter pan imo

Oh, I see.

I didn't see Peter Pan.

 

[Invader Joker]

 

[SwordOfMorning]

FWIW, Muschietti's very good with child actors which will help a lot with Damian

That’s a big reason why he’s a likely choice for this. Steady pair of hands, studio journeymen who can work well with kids.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Invader Joker]

The writer's strike? Really? That's their excuse as to why he hasn't he been signed yet?

Directors can still sign on for work even under the WGA strike. There is no rule that says "Well you must have a writer before you have a director". And he must've pitched this months ago, well before the strike. You mean to tell me he's been their top choice since April and they didn't bother signing him then either?

It's obvious they're waiting to see how The Flash does. If it flops, they're not gonna sign him. It's not a thing to have a "director locked" and then not have said director be signed for months. Back in 2017 they were quick as hell to sign Matt 8 months before he was even able to start writing.

And "top choice" by its very definition means there are other choices.

 

[TMP98]

if muschietti's the top choice, i feel like the rest is gonna be more work-for-hire directors

 

[solidsnake86]

It will be interesting how long it takes to get this movie off the ground. Given the writers strike and the focus Gunn has put on getting good scripts, I honestly don't think we see this movie until 2027.

 

[Invader Joker]

if muschietti's the top choice, i feel like the rest is gonna be more work-for-hire directors

But there are better ones out there than Muschietti, especially ones with a better grasp on VFX and costume design. And cinematography.

 

[TMP98]

But there are better ones out there than Muschietti, especially ones with a better grasp on VFX and costume design. And cinematography.

I mean, for a Batman side-franchise I'm not sure how exciting a choice you were expecting.

 

[Invader Joker]

I mean, for a Batman side-franchise I'm not sure how exciting a choice you were expecting.

I don't think WBD should be looking at Brave and the Bold as a "side-franchise", that's the point. More than likely they're still gonna spend at least 200 million on this flick, so they should still be treating it with as much force behind it as they would with The Batman; perhaps even more, as this film is at an inherent disadvantage and it's one of the key components to their 10 year plan.

That doesn't even mean they should 100% get an auteur, but even if they want a journeyman, they can get much much better blockbuster journeymen out there, or at least ones that'd guarantee a better movie than Muschietti.

 

[Boom]

The weightlessness of the Flash special effects is extremely off-putting. I'll say that much.

 

[TMP98]

I don't think WBD should be looking at Brave and the Bold as a "side-franchise", that's the point. More than likely they're still gonna spend at least 200 million on this flick, so they should still be treating it with as much force behind it as they would with The Batman; perhaps even more, as this film is at an inherent disadvantage and it's one of the key components to their 10 year plan.

That doesn't even mean they should 100% get an auteur, but even if they want a journeyman, they can get much much better blockbuster journeymen out there, or at least ones that'd guarantee a better movie than Muschietti.

I mean, looking at the other directors they've wrangled it seems like hit-or-miss journeymen is their forte - Vaughn just had two duds in a row and his apple movie seems to have just gone radio silent, Mangold's about to release one of the biggest critical/financial disappointments of the year (he still has Logan, 3:10 to Yuma and FvF which are all better than Muschietti's whole resume so far), so unless they get someone like greta gerwig for supergirl then I don't see that changing. When someone like Affleck says he wouldn't vibe with Gunn's DCU, then I think we can rule out most big-name directors

 

[Invader Joker]

I mean, looking at the other directors they've wrangled it seems like hit-or-miss journeymen is their forte - Vaughn just had two duds in a row and his apple movie seems to have just gone radio silent, Mangold's about to release one of the biggest critical/financial disappointments of the year (he still has Logan, 3:10 to Yuma and FvF which are all better than Muschietti's whole resume so far), so unless they get someone like greta gerwig for supergirl then I don't see that changing. When someone like Affleck says he wouldn't vibe with Gunn's DCU, then I think we can rule out most big-name directors

Meh, Affleck is a journeyman in the same vein as Mangold too, just an arguably more accomplished one because of Argo. And on the writer's room Gunn still has Drew Goddard, who was nominated for an Oscar.

The best point you have is with Vaughn but even with his duds he still strikes me as a stronger filmmaker than Muschietti, or at least one that you can at least tell has a particular vision for things; I'd actually have a very hard time just calling Vaughn a director for hire since it's clear that creative control is extremely important for him, even if it doesn't always yield the best results.

And even then I'm not arguing that Gunn should get Bong Joon-Ho or Darren Aronofsky (though maybe it would actually be a good idea to try to attract someone of that caliber.) I'm simply arguing that as far as journeymen go... Drew Goddard, Dan Trachtenberg, Joseph Kosinski, even Travis Knight are better options out there than Muschietti. Any one of those are guaranteed to deliver either a better or more interesting film.

Hell, I know a lot of people will disagree with this but even Sam Raimi is, to me, objectively a much better journeyman choice than Muschietti. He'd also be at the bottom of the barrel of choices but at least he knows how to work with VFX and has a better sense of costume design; also his filmography has had way bigger highs than Muschietti. I wouldn't want him either, but when even a lot of reviews of The Flash are pointing out how Muschietti had seemingly aped quite a bit of Raimi, why even bother getting Raimi rip-off when you can instead get the man himself? MoM is around as well-reviewed as The Flash anyway.

 

[TMP98]

Meh, Affleck is a journeyman in the same vein as Mangold too, just an arguably more accomplished one because of Argo. And on the writer's room Gunn still has Drew Goddard, who was nominated for an Oscar.

The best point you have is with Vaughn but even with his duds he still strikes me as a stronger filmmaker than Muschietti, or at least one that you can at least tell has a particular vision for things; I'd actually have a very hard time just calling Vaughn a director for hire since it's clear that creative control is extremely important for him, even if it doesn't always yield the best results.

And even then I'm not arguing that Gunn should get Bong Joon-Ho or Darren Aronofsky (though maybe it would actually be a good idea to try to attract someone of that caliber.) I'm simply arguing that as far as journeymen go... Drew Goddard, Dan Trachtenberg, Joseph Kosinski, even Travis Knight are better options out there than Muschietti. Any one of those are guaranteed to deliver either a better or more interesting film.

Hell, I know a lot of people will disagree with this but even Sam Raimi is, to me, objectively a much better journeyman choice than Muschietti. He'd also be at the bottom of the barrel of choices but at least he knows how to work with VFX and has a better sense of costume design; also his filmography has had way bigger highs than Muschietti. I wouldn't want him either, but when even a lot of reviews of The Flash are pointing out how Muschietti had seemingly aped quite a bit of Raimi, why even bother getting Raimi rip-off when you can instead get the man himself? MoM is around as well-reviewed as The Flash anyway.

I could see Knight or Trachtenberg, but Kosinski's definitely not gonna do a studio-mandated superhero movie after Top Gun and his huge apple F1 movie lol. Raimi's not a journeyman but he's also a shell of his former shelf; it'd be like wanting Burton back for Batman. Also his Batman film wouldn't be that much better than Muschietti's after how much of a mess MoM was.

 

[Boom]

Assuming he'd even want to do it, I feel like Edgar Wright would've been neat for this.

 

[Invader Joker]

The weightlessness of the Flash special effects is extremely off-putting. I'll say that much.

And it's a huge red flag when it comes to a blockbuster director because he spent 18 months on the post-production of The Flash.
18 months.
And it's a film that heavily relied on VFX, so it was a vital part of the movie. 1/3 of Muschietti's entire job on that film was to work on the post-production and he didn't deliver.
To me, him not being able to deliver good on that budget and that amount of time is a gigantic negative, that I unironically feel should disqualify him. It's been well-documented by several VFX workers that whenever there are visual effects that bad on a massive blockbuster, it typically comes down to the director not being efficient whatsoever, or the studio rushing the movie. In this case, we know it can't be the fault of the studio because they didn't rush **** when it comes to The Flash, in fact, they gave it more time on the post-production than it's typically given to blockbusters.


There are better work-for-hire directors out there, ones that would be able to do better in those technical aspects of production (which again, account for 1/3 of the total work that a director has to put in in these types of projects). And it's one thing if one could say that "Oh well, even if he did bad on VFX, his work on everything else was so remarkable he should get hired anyway" but judging by the reviews you can't even say that about him. This constant hand-waving or defense or Muschietti when it comes to the VFX doesn't make any sense to me since post-production is part of the direction, if he ****ed up on that, that means he ****ed up on a significant portion of the job.

 

[Invader Joker]

I could see Knight or Trachtenberg, but Kosinski's definitely not gonna do a studio-mandated superhero movie after Top Gun and his huge apple F1 movie lol. Raimi's not a journeyman but he's also a shell of his former shelf; it'd be like wanting Burton back for Batman. Also his Batman film wouldn't be that much better than Muschietti's after how much of a mess MoM was.

I don't know. I feel Kosinski would perhaps do it, given the fact he's actually extremely collaborative with studios and Batman's franchise has a big reputation behind it. And yeah, my point about Raimi is moreso to say that even one of the worst journeymen choice you can point out to direct this (him) would still be better than Muschietti. Maybe not that much better when it comes to story, cinematography or whatever, but it'd at the very least have better VFX and costume design.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[emc5466]

Jeff Sneider says to keep on eye on Bill Skarsgard for Batman in this. He took a general meeting recently with WB and Sneider believes they’re talking to him about the lead in this or Swamp Thing.

 

[Invader Joker]

Jeff Sneider says to keep on eye on Bill Skarsgard for Batman in this. He took a general meeting recently with WB and Sneider believes they’re talking to him about the lead in this or Swamp Thing.

Yeaaaah that's not happening.

 

[emc5466]

Yeaaaah that's not happening.

You know this how?

 

[Invader Joker]

You know this how?

Common sense?
I think Skarsgard as Swamp Thing is a real possibility, but him for Batman in this makes absolutely zero sense. He's babyfaced and his type is far too similar to Pattinson. Doesn't really fit "Batman with a Bat-Family and a son" thing they're going for this. Also, while Sneider is good at getting scoops, his intuitions about castings are hardly the best seeing how he was convinced WB wanted Zac Efron as Batman in 2019. Studios have general meetings with actors all the time.

 

[TMP98]

If it’s a general wb meeting, how do we know it’s not just for the IT Max show?