The Brave and the Bold News and Discussion Thread

[Iceman]

I feel this on some level, but also Brave and the Bold is an opportunity to essentially adapt the other side of the coin when it comes to Batman, that Matt Reeves simply isn't really touching on. The slightly more fantastical and comic-booky elements. I'm ride or die Reeves, that much should be obvious to anyone who's seen my borderline essays on why The Batman's my favourite movie of all time. The man's my comic adaptation lord and saviour. But it'd definitely be a missed opportunity if they mess this up. Am I going to be all that heartbroken? Not really, because I'll have what I truly love about the character coming from another avenue to look forward to. But it'd still be nice to see.

The Nolan films are top quality cinema and the Reeves films will be, both amazing and different interpretations of Batman’s world. As you say, you can also make great material focusing on the fantastical/comic-booky side of Batman and ideally I’d want the best person in charge of DCU Batman to realise that. I’m totally here for that if they give us that and put as much effort into making it great as Nolan and Reeves did.

 

[Invader Joker]

I feel this on some level, but also Brave and the Bold is an opportunity to essentially adapt the other side of the coin when it comes to Batman, that Matt Reeves simply isn't really touching on. The slightly more fantastical and comic-booky elements. I'm ride or die Reeves, that much should be obvious to anyone who's seen my borderline essays on why The Batman's my favourite movie of all time. The man's my comic adaptation lord and saviour. But it'd definitely be a missed opportunity if they mess this up. Am I going to be all that heartbroken? Not really, because I'll have what I truly love about the character coming from another avenue to look forward to. But it'd still be nice to see them get this right so we get to see that other side to this character.

Also it'd mega-suck too because regardless of this film coming out sandwiched between The Batman sequels, it's still kinda supposed to be the next incarnation of the character that we're gonna have for the next 10 years. It'd be pretty bad if it flopped (which I genuinely think it would with Muschietti at the helm) and/or was a bad movie.

When Brave and the Bold releases, Reeves version is only have 1 movie more left; while BaTB ideally would have several left as long as appearances in other films.

 

[Iceman]

I would love to see a world like the Arkham games brought to life on film.

 

[squeekness]

I would love to see a world like the Arkham games brought to life on film.

So would I. I didn't play them but the video from the game I did see were amazing.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Also it'd mega-suck too because regardless of this film coming out sandwiched between The Batman sequels, it's still kinda supposed to be the next incarnation of the character that we're gonna have for the next 10 years. It'd be pretty bad if it flopped (which I genuinely think it would with Muschietti at the helm) and/or was a bad movie.

When Brave and the Bold releases, Reeves version is only have 1 movie more left; while BaTB ideally would have several left as long as appearances in other films.

You may not be aware, but there where many years where there no batmen movies

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I’ve never really gotten the appeal of the Arkham games on a narrative or aesthetic level. Way more of a Telltale fan.

 

[Invader Joker]

You may not be aware, but there where many years where there no batmen movies

I know, and the last thing I want for this franchise is to go back to the dark ages (1997-2003)

 

[Eddie Dean]

Nothing lasts forever - even forever.

 

[Hurm...]

They really need to change the title for this movie. It sounds like a soap opera series.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I would love for a long rest for the franchise after Reeves is done unless they want to do Beyond or Dick as Batman.

 

[Invader Joker]

They really need to change the title for this movie. It sounds like a soap opera series.

They should just change it to "Batman and Son"

 

[emielaen]

Frankly I do not care about Brave and Bold because I have a better Batman franchise that’s also happening right now.

so sure, get Andy to direct, get McG, who cares

No? lol

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

They really need to change the title for this movie. It sounds like a soap opera series.

Nothing lasts forever - even forever.

Batman: Entropy

 

[BatsAndNights]

As long as superhero movies are still making good money, I don't see us returning to the 97-2005 Dark Age. We're living in a world now where multiple superhero movies have made over a billion dollars, something that was unheard of around that time. Will superhero movies eventually go the way of the spaghetti western and phase out for whatever comes next? Undoubtedly. That's a case of when and not if. But we're only gonna be there once even Batman and Spider-Man movies are outright no longer profitable. Even though the industry is in a bit of a lull post Endgame, we're nowhere near that dire. Not yet, anyway

 

[antsman41]

Brave & The Bold is something that could be fun // seeing the Bat Family // not only does it have to overcome the DCUE-Snyder stink, but it also has to stand up to The Batman-Reeves...

...so all I can say is;

 

[Boom]

All I can say is that it would be totally unacceptable for Brave and the Bold to look anything like The Flash. Muschietti's a fine director, but The Flash is honestly one of the ugliest looking movies I have seen in a long while. Between the horrible CGI and the odd cinematography choices, it straight up looks like a video game at times. Everything is floaty and weightless, and the lack of tangibility is extremely off-putting.

 

[Invader Joker]

All I can say is that it would be totally unacceptable for Brave and the Bold to look anything like The Flash. Muschietti's a fine director, but The Flash is honestly one of the ugliest looking movies I have seen in a long while. Between the horrible CGI and the odd cinematography choices, it straight up looks like a video game at times. Everything is floaty and weightless, and the lack of tangibility is extremely off-putting.

If he was given 4 years and a 200 million dollar budget to make The Flash and that was the result, I'd say he's not. He's mediocre. He's at best efficient with low to mid level budgets like with Mamá and the first IT (tho I'd say Mamá is a horrible film, but I'll be kind because it at least made money) but I don't think it's a coincidence that as soon as he was given larger budgets with It Chapter Two and The Flash the cracks started to show. Don't think that there's any reason to believe he'd do any better with Brave and the Bold.

As long as superhero movies are still making good money, I don't see us returning to the 97-2005 Dark Age. We're living in a world now where multiple superhero movies have made over a billion dollars, something that was unheard of around that time. Will superhero movies eventually go the way of the spaghetti western and phase out for whatever comes next? Undoubtedly. That's a case of when and not if. But we're only gonna be there once even Batman and Spider-Man movies are outright no longer profitable. Even though the industry is in a bit of a lull post Endgame, we're nowhere near that dire. Not yet, anyway

I do think the low box office opening projected for The Flash is a clear sign we can /easily/ get there if they're not careful with how they handle these properties.
Batman movies have made money in part because they've always looked great and interesting for the last 20 years. A Muschietti Batman movie would probably look not so different than The Flash, and given that The Flash has essentially been advertised as a Flash-Batman team up movie (I'm not making that **** up either, THR recently did an article detailing how the marketing strategy for The Flash was to lean on Batman) there's all the reason to believe that'd deliver some reaaaally awful numbers.

The key to maintaining these franchises profitable is not taking them for granted.

 

[BatsAndNights]

I do think the low box office opening projected for The Flash is a clear sign we can /easily/ get there if they're not careful with how they handle these properties.
Batman movies have made money in part because they've always looked great and interesting for the last 20 years. A Muschietti Batman movie would probably look not so different than The Flash, and given that The Flash has essentially been advertised as a Flash-Batman team up movie (I'm not making that **** up either, THR recently did an article detailing how the marketing strategy for The Flash was to lean on Batman) there's all the reason to believe that'd deliver some reaaaally awful numbers.

The key to maintaining these franchises profitable is not taking them for granted.

Oh yeah absolutely agreed. As I said, the phasing out of the superhero movie ala the spaghetti western is a case of when and not if. And that is partly why because I almost see that as an inevitability. All it takes is for a character to be wildly successful due to an incarnation having extreme love and passion put into it by a genuine artist, for the people responsible for the financial side of things to believe that they can take them for granted. That's the entire reason it's taken quite literally 10 years after TDK trilogy to actually get a Batman movie which has a overall positive consensus. The superhero industry absolutely could be dead within the next 10 years if we stay the course we're on now. We're just not there yet. That's Defcon 1, we're closer to like Defcon 3-4 currently. But once the Reevesverse inevitably runs its course, if the MCU doesn't quite capture lightning in a bottle again like they did for the Infinity Saga and if the DCU doesn't take off in the way it seriously needs to?

We absolutely can get to Defcon 1, it's a genuinely realistic possibility. We're just not there yet

 

[solidsnake86]

All I can say is that it would be totally unacceptable for Brave and the Bold to look anything like The Flash. Muschietti's a fine director, but The Flash is honestly one of the ugliest looking movies I have seen in a long while. Between the horrible CGI and the odd cinematography choices, it straight up looks like a video game at times. Everything is floaty and weightless, and the lack of tangibility is extremely off-putting.

My fear with this movie is that it turns out to be Batman and Robin for a new generation. I've yet to see the flash and obviously I know CGI looks better on the completed film, but the shots look underwhelming from a framing perspective.

For better or worse, I think the "grounded" approach to batman appeals to the general audience or at least the appearance of realism.

The batman character didn't save bvs and this is another case of oversaturation. Gunn should have initially left batman out of the plans. It also takes a huge marketing campaign to make the audience accept your new batman, for a studio that has no money (see blue beetle, Shazam, and Aquaman marketing) it makes zero sense to spend the money on advertising a new batman.

You also have Reeves in the middle of establishing a batman universe. The whole optics of this situation make no sense.

The way I see it, if the batman part 2 doesn't do better overall than the batman, I foresee them cutting resources and focusing on this movie and batman instead.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Brave and the Bold: Andy Muschietti Directing Batman Film After The Flash - Variety

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

‘Batman: The Brave and the Bold’ to Be Directed by ‘Flash’ Filmmaker – The Hollywood Reporter

The Flash Director Andy Muschietti Inks Warners First-Look Deal – The Hollywood Reporter

Hmm...

 

[Boom]

Doesn't move the needle for me at all. More interested in who they get to write it.

 

[Invader Joker]

First Batman movie to sell zero tickets.

 

[TMP98]

Flash was fine, with some sparks of real creativity which were bogged down with a lot of visual sound & fury. If this is roughly the same quality, then that’s not terrible for a Batman sub-franchise. Hopefully Gunn helps reign back some of Muschietti’s worst tendencies.

 

[Boom]

If there is that much CGI in a Batman movie I will scream. I can't do it.