The Brave and the Bold News and Discussion Thread

[SonsOfKrypto]

You want another young Batman story after we're already into that with Reeves version? lol This was the best option they had for a DCU Batman.

Early-mid 30s Bruce on his first Robin, and trying to find a way to work with others

It isn't not putting in the work it is just starting at a later point in the timeline. There have been literal decades of Batman stories where he's got a fully established Bat Family and Dick is Nightwing.

There are decades of stories yes but none of them are movies dawg, let alone the start of a 10 year cinematic universe. It's comparing decades of comic book stories to a singular film meant to start a franchise

There are decades of stories where the Avengers are established as a fully formed team too, but Feige put in the work to build their dynamic from the ground up, so people could appreciate and invest their dynamic, without burying the movie with exposition for years of off-screen developments for characters and events people have attachment to..

Comic book character development and movie character development are very, very different things. And to treat them as one in the same is a grave mistake
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The dynamic between the Bat Family is wonderful, rich and complicated and at its best when it is fully formed - why waste multiple movies setting it up when you can just immediately explore it? You're just starting at the most interesting part of the story.

for me, stoytelling isn't about skipping to the good par, because the good parts only have meaning, if there's set-up for it.

It's the journey to those moments that give them meaning. Luke Skywalker being a Jedi isn't badass simply because he's Jedi,, it's the journey towards him becoming a Jedi that gives it meaning, and significance to people

Jason Todd being dead doesn't mean anything to audiences

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If anything a world where you already have these characters fully established to explore opens more opportunities for world building. I would love to see the whole story arc of Bruce and Dick play out in detail but it is a perfectly valid, functional choice to start later on.

But there's a reason why Feige didn't start his Marvel Cinematic Universe this way. And it's entirely so people could experience the birth of the MCU with* the characters.

The character stuff is the Mcu's biggest strengths

 

[Invader Joker]

An extremely ironic thoughr crossed my mind and it's the fact that if The Batman hadn't been made yet and the frat time Matt was approached for Batman was for this movie by Gunn... he probably would've accepted it. I mean, he's talked about how when he signed onto The Batman originally he did plan to make it with Affleck and in the DCEU, and he probably would've found a way into the Bruce-Damian story.

Ship has sailed but man, if they want to co-exist with Reeves they really must try to find someone as passionate.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

An extremely ironic thoughr crossed my mind and it's the fact that if The Batman hadn't been made yet and the frat time Matt was approached for Batman was for this movie by Gunn... he probably would've accepted it. I mean, he's talked about how when he signed onto The Batman originally he did plan to make it with Affleck and in the DCEU, and he probably would've found a way into the Bruce-Damian story.

Ship has sailed but man, if they want to co-exist with Reeves they really must try to find someone as passionate.

I'm not so sure about that. It really depends on how much say the director of this movie is going to have about the story. Even when Reeves was open to working in the confines of a shared universe he completely rejected the pre-existing concept for the film in order to do his own thing.

He would've rocked the Bruce/Damian story, though, I totally agree. Reeves is so well suited to the Robin stuff and one of the things that sucks about this movie is it likely closes off that avenue to him.

 

[Invader Joker]

I'm not so sure about that. It really depends on how much say the director of this movie is going to have about the story. Even when Reeves was open to working in the confines of a shared universe he completely rejected the pre-existing concept for the film in order to do his own thing.

He would've rocked the Bruce/Damian story, though, I totally agree. Reeves is so well suited to the Robin stuff and one of the things that sucks about this movie is it likely closes off that avenue to him.

I kinda think that with Gunn it very much will depend on the talent he manages to attach. If someone on the level of Reeves landed on his lap I think he'd give that person a ridiculous amount of lee-way even within the confines of the DCU because I do think Gunn is smart enough to recognize it'd be dumb to let a person like that go.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

You can add me as another who's not too thrilled with the idea of starting with a fully formed Bat-family. I'll still be optimistic and hope it's good, but even if it is, I doubt I'll come out of the theater without thinking "damn, I really wish I could have started out by seeing what happened beforehand".

 

[Iceman]

I love the Bat-family and will be very happy to get them in the DCU. I’d prefer to see their origin too but if it’s not to be I’ll still take it to get them.

 

[BobJM]

I’d love to see Dick Grayson’s origin told in The Batman saga.

Then, in BATB, there should be Batman, Nightwing, Batgirl/Oracle, and the introduction of Damian Wayne. Maybe allude to Jason Todd & his death at the hands of the Joker. Maybe Todd returns in a sequel with his own murderous code of justice, which causes a clash between father & son. Todd is a fallen Robin (have him be full villain) who wants to turn his former mentor’s own son against him in his quest to prove that Bruce’s methods are antiquated. It’s off the beaten path of the source material, sure, but could be good fodder for drama & still surprise fans of the comics.

 

[BobJM]

I love the Bat-family and will be very happy to get them in the DCU. I’d prefer to see their origin too but if it’s not to be I’ll still take it to get them.

An origin for the Bat-family though could take several many films. I don’t need a Nightwing solo (I’ll take it, of course) but if any Bat family member deserves a solo, it should be Barbara Gordon.

 

[Invader Joker]

So these are James favorite Batman comics.

Again, color me skeptical over this idea that this movie will be any more light-hearted or kid-friendly than other recent Batman movies lol One Bad Day Riddler literally has him brutally murdering prostitutes, The Long Halloween is The Long Halloween and the Grant Morrison Batman run is ****ed up beyond belief in certain parts. If that's the kind of tone he likes in his Batman stories there's no real reason that the Batman movie shephearded by him that he can pretty much mold into his ideal Batman film would be any different.

 

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So these are James favorite Batman comics.

Again, color me skeptical over this idea that this movie will be any more light-hearted or kid-friendly than other recent Batman movies lol One Bad Day Riddler literally has him brutally murdering prostitutes, The Long Halloween is The Long Halloween and the Grant Morrison Batman run is ****ed up beyond belief in certain parts. If that's the kind of tone he likes in his Batman stories there's no real reason that the Batman movie shephearded by him that he can pretty much mold into his ideal Batman film would be any different.

Setting aside the overall characterisation of the character within the DCEU, the sort of behaviour Affleck's Batman displayed in everything post-BvS is the sort of thing I don't want to see.. or if we do see similar, it needs to be executed much better.

I'm fine with the tone being lightened for the character but it needs to be done better & kept consistent. In comparison to the other characters, he should always come across as the most serious & intimidating.

It's been done a few times well in the animated Justice League: War, that's effectively what I'd like to see, just live action.

 

[Invader Joker]

Setting aside the overall characterisation of the character within the DCEU, the sort of behaviour Affleck's Batman displayed in everything post-BvS is the sort of thing I don't want to see.. or if we do see similar, it needs to be executed much better.

I'm fine with the tone being lightened for the character but it needs to be done better & kept consistent. In comparison to the other characters, he should always come across as the most serious & intimidating.

It's been done a few times well in the animated Justice League: War, that's effectively what I'd like to see, just live action.

I sincerely don't think this will actually be lighter than let's say, The Batman, in any way at all. Just more fantastical, and maybe with a bit more humor coming from the Bat-Family. But as an overall package and as far as the characterization of Batman goes I think he's bound to be every bit as dark as the Bale and Pattinson version, just executed in a different more comic-booky manner.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

I wouldn't describe Gunn's superhero stuff as "lighthearted". It's more like "humor in a ****ed up world". Like even if his DCU leans comical that still wouldn't stop Riddler from murdering prostitutes and whatnot.

 

[emielaen]

His work is arguably darker than the stuff DC was called too dark for lol Vol. 3 is harsher at times than BvS. But I do think that's mostly a visual thing w people

 

[SwordOfMorning]

There’s gonna be a heavy emphasis on violent comedy in this would be my met. Very PG-13 Kick Ass with Damian.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I just really hope this time we finally get to see Batman take on some of the more fantastical rogues, like Man-Bat, Killer Croc, Clayface etc.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

 

[Boom]

Curious that he is posting that completely out of the blue.

To be honest though, I really don't want the DCU using Joker until Reeves has had his go with the character.

 

[RokMeAmadeus]

I honestly hope they don't go through with this whole thing. I feel like what Reeves is trying to do is being undermined by the public and this will just add way more to it.

 

[Invader Joker]

I honestly hope they don't go through with this whole thing. I feel like what Reeves is trying to do is being undermined by the public and this will just add way more to it.

What public? The Batman was well-received.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It will blow my goddamn mind if any of the DCU movies are a bigger success than The Batman. I still firmly predict that it's going to be slightly embarrassing when The Batman, Part II and Joker 2 are bigger hits than Legacy and its surrounding films.

 

[Boom]

It will be slow-going to start out. I hope that WBD is at peace with that. Gunn needs to build up equity first.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

It will be slow-going to start out. I hope that WBD is at peace with that. Gunn needs to build up equity first.

This. I actually do think they can pull this off if they’re patient and make high quality movies but if they’re expecting Legacy to be a billion dollar hit or honestly maybe even close to a billion I suspect they are ****ed.

 

[emielaen]

Would they be embarrassed about sequels to two successful films outgrossing a new iteration of Superman tho lol

I don’t think Gunn or Safran are looking at it w a $B or bust mentality but I guess other suits could be

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Would they be embarrassed about sequels to two successful films outgrossing a new iteration of Superman tho lol

I don’t think Gunn or Safran are looking at it w a $B or bust mentality but I guess other suits could be

The budget for The Batman wasn't too crazy. If they can keep it around the same for Legacy, the film won't need to hit a billion. The thing is, characters with actual superpowers require far more VFX (expensive VFX!) to be done properly. So, I don't know.

 

[Veangeance]

I really hope it isn't Krasynski, just no ****ing way i could take it seriously.