The Brave and the Bold News and Discussion Thread

Yeah, that was just PR talk. Had he expressed his true feelings about the film, it would have no doubt been to the detriment of his newly appointed position. Honestly, I don't see why they didn't just hold off on announcing AM's involvement in the first place. Everything doesn't have to be a rush. lol
My best theory is that someone in marketing knew they had a stinker on their hands and advised Zaslav and Gunn to hype up the movie as much as possible (with the Muschietti hiring being one of the moves to hype it up) to get as much money in the opening weekend since they knew it was all downhill from there.
 
people might hate it, but i for the most part agree with James Gunn about Burton Batman lol it's as camp as camp gets in terms of film, it's also so Burton so yeah of course it's camp. The suit sucks, Joker being the killer of Bruce's parents was lame and not even something I ever see discussed as a weird take, because it absolutely was. I think the best performance in the film goes to Kim Bassinger.
 
I just find it funny that I'm seeing people on Reddit legitimately question his position as a creative bc he dislikes some movies or even aspects of movies that they do like. As if the work he's put in over two decades is now more in question bc of it lol he was just on a podcast talking about not liking Hackman's Lex too. This is more exaggerated vitriol, but still... who cares

I also saw someone say Nolan and Burton will never work w Gunn now lol the crazies are running this into the ground already
 
I just find it funny that I'm seeing people on Reddit legitimately question his position as a creative bc he dislikes some movies or even aspects of movies that they do like. As if the work he's put in over two decades is now more in question bc of it lol he was just on a podcast talking about not liking Hackman's Lex too. This is more exaggerated vitriol, but still... who cares

I also saw someone say Nolan and Burton will never work w Gunn now lol the crazies are running this into the ground already
The only thing though is that if Brave and the Bold turns out to be bad or even mediocre this will just add salt to the wound lol
 
I just find it funny that I'm seeing people on Reddit legitimately question his position as a creative bc he dislikes some movies or even aspects of movies that they do like. As if the work he's put in over two decades is now more in question bc of it lol he was just on a podcast talking about not liking Hackman's Lex too. This is more exaggerated vitriol, but still... who cares

I also saw someone say Nolan and Burton will never work w Gunn now lol the crazies are running this into the ground already

Where was that? Also, I doubt Burton has any interest in doing comic book movies ever again. Same with Nolan, really. He got his Batman trilogy- that's all he really needs.
 
Yeah, why would Nolan or Burton work with Gunn in the first place lol.
 
I don’t really care about any of this but IF James Gunn really does believe that The Flash is one of the best CBMs ever made (and wasn’t just talking it up because he’s the new head of the studio) and still believes what he said about Burton and Nolan… I have to admit that I question his taste.
 
Where was that? Also, I doubt Burton has any interest in doing comic book movies ever again. Same with Nolan, really. He got his Batman trilogy- that's all he really needs.

Just random people on some DC sub. But it was just a strange thing to even bring up as some sort of defamation against Gunn lol I don't think any of them would be looking to work w the other anyway

The only thing though is that if Brave and the Bold turns out to be bad or even mediocre this will just add salt to the wound lol

Lol I suppose so. It is safe to say he'll get every ounce of blame despite him not writing or directing it
 
While Gunn’s movies might lack that mainstream appeal, his choice of favorite superhero is more garden-variety: Batman.
“It’s a boring answer, I know,” Gunn said, “but Batman has the most good comics book of any superhero and I just like the character. I like Batman’s tragic nature. I like the fact that he was a guy whose parents were killed, and he’s trying forever to avenge their deaths and he can’t.”
 
If the rumours are true that Dick Grayson may be in the batman, I truly don't think this movie will come out before 2028
 
If the rumours are true that Dick Grayson may be in the batman, I truly don't think this movie will come out before 2028
Depends on how Dick Grayson is adapted in The Batman Part ll. It's elseworlds, wouldn't be surprised if the take on that character is veeery different than what people normally expect.
 
I've been thinking about it and... what are the chances that Gunn directly takes over this film, and writes it and directs it himself?


It sounds ridiculous but:

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1. Batman is his favorite comic character and it seems it's been that way for decades. Even as far back as 2006 he listed him in a list of "random things he loves" and saying the character was his favorite one as a kid. So he clearly has a deep connection with the character.
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2. The Adam West Batman was the entire reason he got into superheroes as a kid.
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3. He has some strong as hell opinions on previous Batman films that also signal there's probably some version of live-action Batman he badly wants to see that hasn't been done yet.
4. He straight up said he might have directed Batman instead of TSS if Matt Reeves hadn't been doing The Batman.
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5. He loves, loves Cassandra Cain and said he might've wanted to do a movie about her too. She can easily fit into this movie.
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6. He also loves Harley Quinn and wants to work with Margot again. There's probably some way to incorporate her into this movie.

At first I was thinking the scheduling would be a problem but...
-He started writing Superman in the middle of Guardians post production so he could do the same here and write Batman in the middle of Superman post.
-So that means he could start writing Batman in late 2024-early 2025.
-Have it ready for pre-production as soon as Superman releases like he did with Guardians and Superman.
-Then shoot it 8 months after Superman releases, so March 2026
-Release it in late 2027 or early 2028.

So... maybe?
 
I've been thinking about it and... what are the chances that Gunn directly takes over this film, and writes it and directs it himself?


It sounds ridiculous but:

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1. Batman is his favorite comic character and it seems it's been that way for decades. Even as far back as 2006 he listed him in a list of "random things he loves" and saying the character was his favorite one as a kid. So he clearly has a deep connection with the character.
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2. The Adam West Batman was the entire reason he got into superheroes as a kid.
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3. He has some strong as hell opinions on previous Batman films that also signal there's probably some version of live-action Batman he badly wants to see that hasn't been done yet.
4. He straight up said he might have directed Batman instead of TSS if Matt Reeves hadn't been doing The Batman.
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5. He loves, loves Cassandra Cain and said he might've wanted to do a movie about her too. She can easily fit into this movie.
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6. He also loves Harley Quinn and wants to work with Margot again. There's probably some way to incorporate her into this movie.

At first I was thinking the scheduling would be a problem but...
-He started writing Superman in the middle of Guardians post production so he could do the same here and write Batman in the middle of Superman post.
-So that means he could start writing Batman in late 2024-early 2025.
-Have it ready for pre-production as soon as Superman releases like he did with Guardians and Superman.
-Then shoot it 8 months after Superman releases, so March 2026
-Release it in late 2027 or early 2028.

So... maybe?
He knows that SL needs to hit, but for the DCU to work this one also definitely needs to hit. If he had faith in whoever was directing it then all good, but there is reason for that faith to be shaken at this point. So I wouldn’t say the chance is big given how much work would be involved trying to work on 2 hugely important films close to each other, but there is at least a chance - and at least to take on more of a stronger consultancy/oversight role than he otherwise would have, sure.
 
He knows that SL needs to hit, but for the DCU to work this one also definitely needs to hit. If he had faith in whoever was directing it then all good, but there is reason for that faith to be shaken at this point. So I wouldn’t say the chance is big given how much work would be involved trying to work on 2 hugely important films close to each other, but there is at least a chance - and at least to take on more of a stronger consultancy/oversight role than he otherwise would have, sure.
Yeah, that's another argument for it. Brave and the Bold and Superman: Legacy are the two most important projects in his slate. And I actually do think both carry the same weight of importance. If Legacy works but Brave and the Bold doesn't no one is gonna take the DCU seriously especially because of how important Batman is to the DC brand, same if viceversa happens. Neither of them can be half-assed, mediocre or bad. And if the idea of putting Gunn in charge of Legacy was to put their strongest foot forward with it to set the tone for the rest of the universe, the same could be true for Brave and the Bold.
 
Yeah, that's another argument for it. Brave and the Bold and Superman: Legacy are the two most important projects in his slate. And I actually do think both carry the same weight of importance. If Legacy works but Brave and the Bold doesn't no one is gonna take the DCU seriously especially because of how important Batman is to the DC brand, same if viceversa happens. Neither of them can be half-assed, mediocre or bad. And if the idea of putting Gunn in charge of Legacy was to put their strongest foot forward with it to set the tone for the rest of the universe, the same could be true for Brave and the Bold.
If one is good and the other not then a series in the one that’s good will work but not much else. If both are good and at least another supporting film is also good, they have a potential launchpad for something successful on a universe level. If Flash had been a mega-hit there would be nothing to think about but whatever PR we get, Gunn is surely aware enough that at least some doubt is now warranted for a Muschietti B&tB doing what is necessary to consolidate a great DCU launch.

If anything were to happen it would likely need juggling of planned release dates to make it more feasible. I think for now Gunn will let things continue as is and just keep a much more watchful eye over the proceedings at B&tB camp.
 
If one is good and the other not then a series in the one that’s good will work but not much else. If both are good and at least another supporting film is also good, they have a potential launchpad for something successful on a universe level. If Flash had been a mega-hit there would be nothing to think about but whatever PR we get, Gunn is surely aware enough that at least some doubt is now warranted for a Muschietti B&tB doing what is necessary to consolidate a great DCU launch.

If anything were to happen it would likely need juggling of planned release dates to make it more feasible. I think for now Gunn will let things continue as is and just keep a much more watchful eye over the proceedings at B&tB camp.
Brave and the Bold has no release date set though. And if he takes over he can make it release in late 2027 or early 2028, which isn't bad.

Also I've got no doubt Muschietti is done either way, I'm mostly speculating on whether Gunn will be the one to take ove.r
 
Brave and the Bold has no release date set though. And if he takes over he can make it release in late 2027 or early 2028, which isn't bad.
Yes, I mentioned planned release date - there would surely be internal plans for allocation of resources for when they had it pencilled in. A big delay between the 2 is not good for momentum and getting across the idea that they want a universe if all goes well, but both being good is even more important.
 
Yes, I mentioned planned release date - there would surely be internal plans for allocation of resources for when they had it pencilled in. A big delay between the 2 is not good for momentum and getting across the idea that they want a universe if all goes well, but both being good is even more important.
Oh I don't think he'd have to delay Legacy though? He started writing Superman in the middle of Guardians post, he can do the same here and write Brave and the Bold in the middle of Superman post.
 
Oh I don't think he'd have to delay Legacy though? He started writing Superman in the middle of Guardians post, he can do the same here and write Brave and the Bold in the middle of Superman post.
I was talking about delaying B&tB if he were to take over, having to give focus to SL throughout its release and not being able to fully focus on B&tB till after.
 
I was talking about delaying B&tB if he were to take over, having to give focus to SL throughout its release and not being able to fully focus on B&tB till after.
The argument I'd make is that... maybe it wouldn't actually make that much of a difference in terms of scheduling if he directs it himself vs if he gets someone else to direct it/write it.

The thing with Gunn is that he's uncharacteristically fast as a screenwriter. It took him 8 months to write a Superman script by himself while he was working both as a studio head and also on the post production for Guardians. It took him 3 months to write the entirety of Peacemaker while in post for TSS.

Meanwhile it usually takes screenwriters 12 months-18 months to write a script for a movie like this.

And the strike is going on, so the earliest they could get on it is by January 2024.

So that means it's either just a delay of 6 months if Gunn is the one that writes it, or there's no delay at all.

There's also the factor that if he gets someone else to write a script and they take a year, maybe he won't like the script presented to him when all is said and done and they have to hire someone else to re-write it. But if Gunn takes over they can skip that entirely since whatever script he ends up with will be exactly what he wants. So it might actually be more time-efficient if he takes over it himself, unless he nails someone mega-reliable and fast.
 
Him writing it wouldn't blow my mind but this scenario strikes me as extraordinarily unlikely.

It's a distant-ish possibility IMO. I do think Gunn may well end up writing the film, regardless of whether or not he actually directs it himself.

Obviously Muschietti is still officially attached to the film as its director, but given the severity of just how poorly The Flash performed at the box office and the general online backlash towards the film since, I'd be genuinely surprised if he stays onboard and does actually make the movie. So while we've heard nothing official thus far indicating it, I'd wager most fans online are either hoping or expecting Muschietti eventually departs from TBATB.

After that, there's the issue of "Who does James Gunn and Peter Safran pick to replace Muschietti?" Given both the importance this film has alongside Superman: Legacy in determining the long term fate of the DCU and how its central narrative is pitched off the cuff as being quite different than the numerous other Batfilms made thus far, it's tricky to think of filmmakers who would both be interested in taking the project and who would be willing to make a Batman film where their creative input is at least somewhat limited to follow within the spectrum of what Gunn wants for the DCU's Batman.

Not an impossible job to find a filmmaker who'd meet both goals, but it's not an easy task either. And if Superman: Legacy ends up being a hit, I wouldn't be surprised if that leads to pressure from Zaslav and Peter Safran for Gunn to then also tackle TBATB.
 
It's a distant-ish possibility IMO. I do think Gunn may well end up writing the film, regardless of whether or not he actually directs it himself.

Obviously Muschietti is still officially attached to the film as its director, but given the severity of just how poorly The Flash performed at the box office and the general online backlash towards the film since, I'd be genuinely surprised if he stays onboard and does actually make the movie. So while we've heard nothing official thus far indicating it, I'd wager most fans online are either hoping or expecting Muschietti eventually departs from TBATB.

After that, there's the issue of "Who does James Gunn and Peter Safran pick to replace Muschietti?" Given both the importance this film has alongside Superman: Legacy in determining the long term fate of the DCU and how its central narrative is pitched off the cuff as being quite different than the numerous other Batfilms made thus far, it's tricky to think of filmmakers who would both be interested in taking the project and who would be willing to make a Batman film where their creative input is at least somewhat limited to follow within the spectrum of what Gunn wants for the DCU's Batman.

Not an impossible job to find a filmmaker who'd meet both goals, but it's not an easy task either. And if Superman: Legacy ends up being a hit, I wouldn't be surprised if that leads to pressure from Zaslav and Peter Safran for Gunn to then also tackle TBATB.
Legacy being a huge hit makes him directing this scenario even less likely, I’d imagine the pressure becomes all about making a Legacy sequel happen as opposed to Gunn doing Peacemaker next.
 

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