The Brave and the Bold News and Discussion Thread

[Invader Joker]

A bit, yeah, but Logan is by his own admission a chameleon writer who morphs to suit the assignment. My assumption is he's on this because he's worked on Bond and my suspicion is that a more mainstream, accessible take on the Morrison material is gonna be heavily Bondian - which is a bit unfortunate because the TDK Trilogy were almost entirely Batman through the lens of Bond in an incredibly effective way so I find that sort of regressive creatively.

He may be a chameleon writer but it's more about why would Gunn go out of his way to hire this specific person. If he wanted a super comedic or kid friendly take there are probably about a hundred different other writers he could've taken that come ingrained with that sensibility.
I do agree he probably grabbed him because of his James Bond work. I mean, Morrison's approach to Batman was already extremely Bondian to the extent he put a joke about it on his comic:



That being said I actually think it's a smart decision. After 20 years of having the audience used to purely street-level Batman takes I think it's smart to model the introduction to this more fantastical version of the character on things that the audience are already familiar with. People tend to forget that for as grounded as the Nolan trilogy was, the other half of it was the ridiculously James Bond-ian sequences and plots that while most prevalent in TDKR were also definitely a part of TDK, so to introduce this version of Batman with a screenwriter that worked on the most succesful Bond movie that was heavily inspired by TDK I feel will make the selling of this Batman much, much easier. Ideally this movie would feel very tonally akin to recent Bond or Mission Impossible films.

... Which actually kinda makes me wonder if they may grab Sam Mendes as director for this lmao If there is one director that could get sold on it with John Logan's participation alone it'd probably be him since they are close friends.

 

[HydraSith12]

I think this movie will come out until Matt Reeves finishes his Batman story so this movie may come out in 2027 or 2028 i think the Batman will only be a Trilogy with some Spin Off shows like Penguin or Arkham

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

Bond-Ian Batman is so cool with me and lines up perfectly with Morrison/Batman and Son inspired storytelling. It’s a shame Christopher Lee never played Ra’s Al Ghul. He is the blueprint for James Bond, played Scaramanga, and is just so perfect for Ra’s.

Navid Negahban is the best pick for Ra’s these days. Very intimidating performer.

Talia is just a classic Bond girl. Love it! This story has tons of potential.

Man-Bat being used would be a logical conclusion to make too considering the source material. Pretty much any decent actor could be good for that role. I think Kevin Bacon is my favorite for it though. He looks exactly like the animated Kirk Langstrom.

What is our Bat-Family going to look like? Is Jason still presumed dead? Is Tim being skipped altogether (understandable). Is Barbara still Batgirl or Oracle?

Chalamet would be so good as Nightwing. It’s obvious but it’s just a good fit. I’d love Emma Stone or Jane Levy as Batgirl. I like when Barbara is older than Dick.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Who would Herve Villechez play in a Batman movie?

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

Da Batplane! Da Batplane!

 

[signalman]

Who would Herve Villechez play in a Batman movie?

Herve would be perfect as the Joker's sidekick, GAGGY!

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I was going to say the same thing, had a picture queued up and everything! Great minds think alike!

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Are we thinking this will be a 2027 release? I personally hope it will come out in 2026.

 

[Invader Joker]

Okay this literally changes EVERYTHING in regards to this movie. An Arkham show is gonna be a massive, massive piece of worldbuilding for this Batman. The casting and backstory worldbuilding of Joker, Two-Face, Riddler, Clayface, and other sorts of villains in this universe is most surely gonna play a part into that show. So no way in hell Matt is gonna be involved in that but also not gonna be involved in the casting of this Batman and the development of this movie further than that. I am now picturing Matt probably being involved in this movie as either a consultant at the very least or a role about as big as the one Nolan had in MOS.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Matt shepherding this movie would make it feel even more like the red headed stepchild it already is. What a bizarre situation that would be.

 

[Invader Joker]

Matt shepherding this movie would make it feel even more like the red headed stepchild it already is. What a bizarre situation that would be.

I mean he's already gonna be shephearding an spin-off and potentially more so it'd be weirder if he wasn't.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I mean he's already gonna be shephearding an spin-off and potentially more so it'd be weirder if he wasn't.

No, the whole thing is weird and just feels like a lowkey purge of The Batman spinoffs into something that can fit into the DCU. What is the point of Matt Reeves producing another Batman universe when there already is an established Matt Reeves Batman universe? We all know this started as a The Batman spin-off, it feels inherently Not Good that it is being spun into a DCU thing. It'll only make DCU Batman feel more perfunctory.

 

[Invader Joker]

No, the whole thing is weird and just feels like a lowkey purge of The Batman spinoffs into something that can fit into the DCU. What is the point of Matt Reeves producing another Batman universe when there already is an established Matt Reeves Batman universe?

I mean.... Matt was already producing something non-Batverse related on Caped Crusader. Maybe he really is /that/ big a fan of Batman and wants to shepheard even stuff that wouldn't make sense in his universe. He did say he's a big fan of the O'Neil/Adams comics after all, which obviously have no place in the Batverse.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I mean.... Matt was already producing something non-Batverse related on Caped Crusader. Maybe he really is /that/ big a fan of Batman and wants to shepheard even stuff that wouldn't make sense in his universe. He did say he's a big fan of the O'Neil/Adams comics after all, which obviously have no place in the Batverse.

There's a big difference between an animated series and having a concept developed for his universe be reworked into something for another one entirely. That is not a particularly positive seeming development to me.

 

[Invader Joker]

There's a big difference between an animated series and having a concept developed for his universe be reworked into something for another one entirely. That is not a particularly positive seeming development to me.

I am now starting to think Matt's Batverse might take a bit of a hiatus after The Batman Part ll.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I am now starting to think Matt's Batverse might take a bit of a hiatus after The Batman Part ll.

What an awful development that would be. Insane if they did that just to big up their completely imaginary shared universe.

 

[BatsAndNights]

Yeah I think people are wrongfully equating producing to creating

He's gonna be a producer on the Arkham show (if I'm understanding the use of the word "producing" right, could be wrong). That doesn't mean it's his show in the same way that MoS is not Christopher Nolan's version of Superman. He's just gonna have some level of input for the process. And me personally, I see no reason this is anything other than a W.

This is the guy who gave us one of the top 3 if not 2 greatest live action adaptations of Batman ever made. Him writing more Batman related stuff is never gonna be a bad thing, in my personal opinion

 

[Invader Joker]

What an awful development that would be. Insane if they did that just to big up their completely imaginary shared universe.

I mean, it could have to do with Matt's own plans for his Batverse too. Maybe he wants The Batman Part lll to have a Death of Michael Corleone component to it, and have it be set many many years after, with a more mature Batman.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I mean, it could have to do with Matt's own plans for his Batverse too. Maybe he wants The Batman Part lll to have a Death of Michael Corleone component to it, and have it be set many many years after, with a more mature Batman.

Maybe, but that's a wild extrapolation and something they'd be vastly more likely to accomplish by aging Rob up rather than waiting a decade.

I don't think there's much of a positive spin-on this. It doesn't mean anything bad yet, but it feels like the first sign that WB's moronic lust for a shared universe is less open to independent projects than they're pretending like they are.

 

[BatsAndNights]

I mean, it could have to do with Matt's own plans for his Batverse too. Maybe he wants The Batman Part lll to have a Death of Michael Corleone component to it, and have it be set many many years after, with a more mature Batman.

I think it's a bit too early to tell, really. The show's been on and off development wise for a while now and "producing" could mean a multitude of different things. Could be that it's now a different showrunner but Reeves is helping as a producer, ala Nolan for MoS as I said earlier. Until we hear more about what exactly Reeves is doing, I don't see any reason to worry about the Reevesverse, that's his baby and the main established money maker for DC rn bar Joker.

 

[Invader Joker]

Yeah I think people are wrongfully equating producing to creating

He's gonna be a producer on the Arkham show (if I'm understanding the use of the word "producing" right, could be wrong). That doesn't mean it's his show in the same way that MoS is not Christopher Nolan's version of Superman. He's just gonna have some level of input for the process. And me personally, I see no reason this is anything other than a W.

This is the guy who gave us one of the top 3 if not 2 greatest live action adaptations of Batman ever made. Him writing more Batman related stuff is never gonna be a bad thing, in my personal opinion

He created this show too though? This whole thing was his idea.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

He created this show too though? This whole thing was his idea.

Yeah, that's the issue: this started as a The Batman thing and is now a DCU thing. That's a red flag.

 

[Invader Joker]

Yeah, that's the issue: this started as a The Batman thing and is now a DCU thing. That's a red flag.

 

[BatsAndNights]

He created this show too though? This whole thing was his idea.

He did, but the show's also been on and off for a while now in terms of it's being developed or not. Reeves could've stopped work on it himself as showrunner for whichever reason, then Gunn maybe decided it'd be worth having as a spinoff show in the DCU and Reeves agreed to be a producer on it given his prior work developing it.

As I said, I think it's too early to really tell what exactly this means

Okay this is flat out confusing now given the Arkham show has been in development longer than the DCU I swear

Maybe means it's basically a separate show built from what the Reevesverse equivalent would've been? Idk.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Uh-huh. Doesn't add up with the timeline, or anything at all really.