The Brave and the Bold News and Discussion Thread

[Invader Joker]

Uh-huh. Doesn't add up with the timeline, or anything at all really.

Antonio Campos got hired as showrunner the same day Gunn got put in charge of DC Studios.

 

[Filmfreak]

Maybe that was the plan all along, maybe it wasn't. What I don't buy is that Reeves would prefer a Batman spin-off series to be in a shared universe outside the one that he created and is currently running. What I could buy is him doing that because it's either that or nothing at all. But I have a feeling that WB will push for things outside the DCU to slowly fade away until there's only one established universe.

 

[Gandhi]

Antonio Campos got hired as showrunner the same day Gunn got put in charge of DC Studios.

 

[Invader Joker]

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My guess is that there was a time period, before a showrunner was even attached, where the project was envisioned as a The Batman spin-off. Then as it developed and they got a showrunner they decided it'd be best as its own thing and on the DCU.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Starting to sound like we'll be getting a Pattinson Batman trilogy (plus The Penguin) with Reeves and that's it. Spin-off potential scrapped entirely?

But I guess we'll have to see.

 

[Filmfreak]

Starting to sound like we'll be getting a Pattinson Batman trilogy (plus The Penguin) with Reeves and that's it. Spin-off potential scrapped entirely?

But I guess we'll have to see.

That's what I also think WB wants to happen. But I'm sure it's also going to depend on the success of both Battinson's universe and the DCU's as a whole.

 

[emielaen]

I wasn't expecting all those villain spin-off films to happen, especially w the DCU, but it looks like they could be consolidated into a DCU Arkham series where characters like Ivy or Clayface or whomever could be more akin to their comic book counterparts.

Thinking this means Reeves' universe is now lesser than seems like an overreaction only fans can jump to.

 

[WatchProtect]

I know the topic is sore but I'm still excited this is happening none-the-less, I loved Reeves Batman but I'm also genuinely interested for about 80% of the films and shows that are tentatively planned in the DCU.

I grew up watching the JLA cartoon as my introduction to the entire DC universe including Batman so I've never had an outright desire to see him separate. I also don't really agree that shared universes are intrinsically bad. I've heard arguments for why they may be but it's just something I've agreed to disagree with.

 

[theastsunnn]

Is this suppose to be a comedy?

 

[Kane52630]

Depends if you think putting some humor in a movie counts as a full comedy.

 

[Invader Joker]

Nvm I spoke victory a bit too early lol. This sucks just like how it sucked when Matt Reeves lost Terrence Winter, but the fact that they even went after him in the first place is a good sign to me; we'll see who they replace him with.

Honestly after having watched and read many many many John Logan interviews I doubt it's a matter of "creative control arghhh " because he's always been extraordinarily collaborative and has a history of even joining projects well after several screenwriters have been attached, not to mention he worked with the Broccolis which are even more draconian in that sense, or "I can't possibly write another Batman screenplay when Matt's doing his movie" since his sensibilities are pretty different from Matt and I don't think he'd have been in talks for 2 months in the first place if that was the case, so I think it's one of three things:

1. He had that Antoine Fuqua Denzel Washington movie lined up which was announced immediately after the strike, so maybe scheduling simply clashed with it, especially since in interviews he's talked about how historical epics tend to absorb a gigantic amount of his time (The Aviator took him 2 years to figure out with Michael Mann)
2. Due to the timing of him being in talks for 2 months and this presumably happening right after everyone's returning to work in the New Year, I think that they asked him to submit a treatment that he'd later show to them when the year started. The treatment didn't work, and that was the end of it.
3. A combination of the two. Maybe the treatment didn't work and he doesn't have time to rework the whole thing from the ground up.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Nvm I spoke victory a bit too early lol. This sucks just like how it sucked when Matt Reeves lost Terrence Winter, but the fact that they even went after him in the first place is a good sign to me; we'll see who they replace him with.

Honestly after having watched and read many many many John Logan interviews I doubt it's a matter of "creative control arghhh " because he's always been extraordinarily collaborative and has a history of even joining projects well after several screenwriters have been attached, not to mention he worked with the Broccolis which are even more draconian in that sense, or "I can't possibly write another Batman screenplay when Matt's doing his movie" since his sensibilities are pretty different from Matt and I don't think he'd have been in talks for 2 months in the first place if that was the case, so I think it's one of three things:

1. He had that Antoine Fuqua Denzel Washington movie lined up which was announced immediately after the strike, so maybe scheduling simply clashed with it, especially since in interviews he's talked about how historical epics tend to absorb a gigantic amount of his time (The Aviator took him 2 years to figure out with Michael Mann)
2. Due to the timing of him being in talks for 2 months and this presumably happening right after everyone's returning to work in the New Year, I think that they asked him to submit a treatment that he'd later show to them when the year started. The treatment didn't work, and that was the end of it.
3. A combination of the two. Maybe the treatment didn't work and he doesn't have time to rework the whole thing from the ground up.

Why would anyone think John Logan left over creative control. He's a complete hired gun like 99% of screenwriters, not having creative control goes with the territory.

 

[emc5466]

Something weird is going on with this project, imo.

 

[Boom]

It ain't happening.

 

[Invader Joker]

Something weird is going on with this project, imo.

There is absolutely nothing weird going on with it. Before the strike they were on the look out for a screenwriter for only 3 months, then after the strike they began talks with a high profile talent that lasted for 2-3 months until he either presented a treatment they didn't like or an inconvenience popped up that pushed him off the project. It's hardly out of the ordinary. If in 1 year they still don't have a screenwriter I'll agree that it's weird but it's only been 6 months since this has existed in any way where they could work on it and in the middle of it was a messy Hollywood strike; it's par for the course there'd be bumps along the way.

It ain't happening.

Based on losing a single screenwriter (that didn't even have their deal finalized) during early development, like how a bunch of projects do? This type of stuff happens all the time in Hollywood, it's just that in this case it got leaked.

 

[emielaen]

Why would anyone think John Logan left over creative control. He's a complete hired gun like 99% of screenwriters, not having creative control goes with the territory.

The same people who rejoice when any comic book project stumbles a bit. They want it to be this big bad, cataclysmic thing for the idea of comic book projects as a whole, but it’s just Hollywood.

Something weird is going on with this project, imo.

Like what? This is the only thing that’s happened w this film so far lol Logan was never even attached.

 

[BatLobster]

I'm not saying whether the movie's in trouble or not cause I have no idea.

But I do have to wonder if The Flash bombing as badly as it did shook things up a bit, considering how Batman-heavy the marketing was. It can no longer be taken as a given that the audience has this insatiable demand for anything Batman. Plus it's consistently been the darker/more serious Batman projects have been the ones that have been successful for WB.

In 2023, people were way more interested in seeing a 3 hour R-rated historical biopic than they were the return of a legendary actor to the cape and cowl in a four quadrant movie that was designed for maximum mass appeal. You kinda have to take a step back and let that sink in for a bit.

 

[solidsnake86]

This is the exact reason it's good that Gunn debunks rumours so everything doesn't turn into a conspiracy and he controls the narrative. Realistically, Logan was never announced on this project so it doesn't matter if he's no longer attached. Maybe they were just in discussions and it never went anywhere.

 

[Invader Joker]

I'm not saying whether the movie's in trouble or not cause I have no idea.

But I do have to wonder if The Flash bombing as badly as it did shook things up a bit, considering how Batman-heavy the marketing was. It can no longer be taken as a given that the audience has this insatiable demand for anything Batman. Plus it's consistently been the darker/more serious Batman projects have been the ones that have been successful for WB.

In 2023, people were way more interested in seeing a 3 hour R-rated historical biopic than they were the return of a legendary actor to the cape and cowl in a four quadrant movie that was designed for maximum mass appeal. You kinda have to take a step back and let that sink in for a bit.

I think it probably shook things up in the sense that now James Gunn, Peter Safran and co are probably extremely aware that this movie needs to be great to succeed. Not that I think they were ever intending to make a bad movie, but I do feel that they're probably more aware than ever the bar for superhero movies to succeed is really high and expectations for a Batman movie are as well and they can't really gamble on a film that'll simply be standard superhero fare but with Batman.

I do think they probably also are aware that they can't completely sacrifice the dark Batman tone that's been associated with the character; tho granted, I don't think Gunn has any problem with that seeing how his problem with 89 was that it was too campy, his favorite Batman comics feature some of the darkest material on the character and that world out there, and in previous ocassions where he talked about why Batman is his favorite superhero he always alluded to the darkness inherent to the character as one of the reasons.

 

[emc5466]

It ain't happening.

Agreed.

 

[emc5466]

 

[BatLobster]

I think it probably shook things up in the sense that now James Gunn, Peter Safran and co are probably extremely aware that this movie needs to be great to succeed. Not that I think they were ever intending to make a bad movie, but I do feel that they're probably more aware than ever the bar for superhero movies to succeed is really high and expectations for a Batman movie are as well and they can't really gamble on a film that'll simply be standard superhero fare but with Batman.

I do think they probably also are aware that they can't completely sacrifice the dark Batman tone that's been associated with the character; tho granted, I don't think Gunn has any problem with that seeing how his problem with 89 was that it was too campy, his favorite Batman comics feature some of the darkest material on the character and that world out there, and in previous ocassions where he talked about why Batman is his favorite superhero he always alluded to the darkness inherent to the character as one of the reasons.

The potential issue here for me is, the darker you go with it, then the clunkier it feels to have it running alongside Reeves' films. The whole thing that interests me about this project is it having a lighter, more wacky/adventure type of tone. I'd want it to be as different as possible if it was going to come out alongside The Batman.

I think Gunn has found himself in a bit of a Catch-22 with this. It's premature anyway to be worrying about establishing a second Batman franchise IMO, when they haven't even successfully launched Superman yet. That's the foundation for the whole thing. If that fails, the idea of a new DCU is kind of moot. Get people to care about Superman again, then who knows what can happen.

 

[Invader Joker]

The potential issue here for me is, the darker you go with it, then the clunkier it feels to have it running alongside Reeves' films. The whole thing that interests me about this project is it having a lighter, more wacky/adventure type of tone. I'd want it to be as different as possible if it was going to come out alongside The Batman.

I mean the thing is that the source material is dark, but it's dark in extraordinarily different ways from Reeves take to the extent that I don't think there's any issue here, you just have to extract the same tone from the Morrison run and by default you'll have a take that feels distinct from Reeves but still dark and what you'd expect from a modern Batman movie. And just because it's wacky/adventure-like doesn't mean it can't have the dark elements that are still associated with Batman, there are absolutely ways to blend the two, and a lot of Batman media has.

 

[Invader Joker]

lol.
I guess DCUleaks took their first L with this one.
Also @FilmNerdJamie if you know something just say it, if not it's just speculation and it's kinda wild to be coy with that as if it's any real info.

 

[emc5466]