BvS The BvS Ultimate Cut Thread - Part 2

[idiot09]

glad to hear the mostly positive reception the UC is getting!

can't wait to pick it up next months so I can see it for myself!

Its quite better.Its feels more complete,and the story flows better.You will enjoy it

 

[idiot09]

You're forgetting a couple of things. One, Mother Boxes have been on Earth for a while. While we only more recently got an idea of for how long, we DO see in the film, via the footage and info he has on the Meta-humans, that Lex would have known about at least ONE of them for a while.

Knowing Lex, there's no way that he wouldn't have a hell of a lot more research on these people, and the things he's finding, than just the security footage clips.

So, there are definitely elements of the film that suggest he COULD be being influenced, or nudged, in certain directions. Same as we can infer that Bruce is being influenced from the Knightmare vision. While it could just be a glimpse of the future the Flash was coming from, it could also have been something from, or manipulated by, Darkseid and friends. There's plenty of signs of him in that scene, so why would we ignore it in our interpretations?

Long story short, saying "there's nothing to suggest that Lex was under the influence of Darkseid or anyone during the film" is patently untrue.

I think that when Flash tried to comeback in time,some of the memories of that alternate future "leaked"or "collapsed" in Bruce's memory.I think thats what happened and it will be explored in JL.Atleast thats my theory,lets see whats in store.One thing for sure,BvS UC has me much more hyped for JL

 

[Sleiek]

Daniel Alter
‏@DAlter007
Now.. As for #BatmanvSupermanUltimateEdition Anyone who says this is not a much better film has it in for the movie, or is frankly a moron.

Daniel Alter ‏@DAlter007 1h1 hour ago
Feel bad for Zack Snyder as this is so much more complete and emotional. But here's the problem: BvS should conceptually never be 3hrs & R.

Good timing posting that now. lol

Oh man. I hope I don't get too hyped to see the film.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

I enjoyed BvS more than most, but I really don't think the UC is 'a much better film'

These deleted scenes were the least of BvS's problems.

 

[DeadStroke]

Andy Signore ‏@andysignore 16h16 hours ago
@adamhlavac an 8?? You are being generous...

Andy Signore ‏@andysignore 16h16 hours ago Beverly Hills, CA
@adamhlavac the thing I hated most this time around was the score - sooo slow & overbearing - only moment he could have fun was the WW theme


Andy Signore ‏@andysignore 15h15 hours ago Beverly Hills, CA
The fact that the #BvSUltimateCut is better - further proves the theatrical cut's story & pacing problems. (1 of 2)

Andy Signore ‏@andysignore 15h15 hours ago
@andysignore that said... It's still overly long. It's still a mess tonally. And it still does not know how to handle Superman. (2 of 2)

 

[Sleiek]

I enjoyed BvS more than most, but I really don't think the UC is 'a much better film'

These deleted scenes were the least of BvS's problems.

I think it's because those of us who liked it already had filler logic watching the TC and the UC pretty much does the same thing + fixes editing and pacing.

I am noticing that those who were iffy on the TC because of logic reasons have the most to gain..

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Honest question: Does anyone here like Screen Junkies?

 

[SuperAl]

lol at the random twitter posts, i dont know who Andy Signore or Daniel Alter is, why do we care what they think. at the end of the day they are one person who has a blog. make your own opinion.

 

[DeadStroke]

Honest question: Does anyone here like Screen Junkies?

I like JTE.....bout it.

 

[idiot09]

Screen junkies covered the JL set visit very proffesionally and called out on other ****** journalists that were throwing shades/making clickbaity and factually wrong articles about the set visit.That showed good journalistic integrity.Some of them are alright i guess.

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

Not really. Why?

Referring to the post that with a bunch of tweets from one of the Screen Junkies. Just wondering who cares about them. I saw them once as guests on a ShmoesKnow show, and they were like a bunch of 13 year old children.

I like JTE.....bout it.

I like JTE too Had no idea he was over there.

 

[Aquafinn90]

Daniel Alter ‏@DAlter007 1h1 hour ago
Feel bad for Zack Snyder as this is so much more complete and emotional. But here's the problem: BvS should conceptually never be 3hrs & R.

can't STAND hearing this
to me, CBM's are literally the perfect genre to have a 3 hour epic film. All this garbage about "longer screen time = less money" has been disproven time and time again(By WB no less)- I understand it conceptually, but it's literally not true, has ever been true. It's a poor excuse to hate on Snyder for literally no other reason than to hate him.

As for the Africa scene - In the theatrical cut, it was more that the government showed up and **** hit the fan BECAUSE Superman intervened. Now with the UC showing the burning of the bodies, its both. Not a hard concept to understand. The actress literally talks about it, in both cuts.

 

[gdw]

I enjoyed BvS more than most, but I really don't think the UC is 'a much better film'

These deleted scenes were the least of BvS's problems.

It's not just deleted scenes, it's all the tiny bits removed from almost every scene in the film that give the movie room to breath, and fix the pacing.
That's one of the biggest fixes for the film.

Also, the deleted scenes address some MAJOR problems the film had, namely character motivations, and intentions.

Considering the flow, motivations, and intentions (Luthor's plan) were 3 of the biggest, and most consistent, criticisms of the TC.

To suggest that the deleted scenes only address the "least of BvS's problems" comes across as disingenuous.

 

[gdw]

I think that when Flash tried to comeback in time,some of the memories of that alternate future "leaked"or "collapsed" in Bruce's memory.I think thats what happened and it will be explored in JL.Atleast thats my theory,lets see whats in store.One thing for sure,BvS UC has me much more hyped for JL

Yeah, that's pretty much how I took it, but it certainly can be taken to imply more, especially about Darkseid's influence/presence.

 

[ApophènX]

Plus a ticket being higher price nowadays 3hours movie make it more worth it. Especially with superhero gznra and kick ass action. Everybody is happy.

 

[idiot09]

TDKR was 2h45 mins,and it was good.And BvS 3hr cut actually felt went by faster.Also the R is a very soft R so,it doesnt really matter.Britain rated it 12 iirc.Its all very subjective.

 

[OutOfBoose]

The things that we're cut out were vital to character motivations. Nothing about them were "superficial". Except for Batfleck's butt......maybe.

Agree for the most part. There's some superfluous stuff too.

About Africa. That scene is plot-hole-ridden.
1) CIA saw Jimmy killed in infra-red or whatever mode on their screen. Means they can see everything, that happened there. Including guys, who shot everyone and went mobile.
2) They killed everyone and burned the bodies, but like it was stated above, it's not hard to figure out the true cause of death (unless burned into dust). Ultimately it's not needed, because CIA saw everything.
3) Government attacked villages after Superman and killed civilians. What? How? What for?

Whoever came up with this whole sequence didn't think much about it. It's beautifully shot, takes large chunk of time from movie and doesn't make much sense still. We still have to accept it for a fact - US gov. are fooled into thinking, that Superman caused deaths of innocents. OK, thanks for the scene with flamethrowers and a witness, who lies for Lex.

I personally don't care about stuff like this that much. I see it in every film. Armed robbery with shooting, school buses crashing into building in the middle of a day (nobody bats an eye) - TDK, plane crash and many other moments - TDKR...

 

[Sleiek]

I was under the impression the village was owned by the warlord/rebellion. Especially Third World country Governments normally wipe everything out, wouldn't they?

 

[OutOfBoose]

I was under the impression the village was owned by the warlord/rebellion. Governments or the armed forces normally do that.

What Superman has to do with it? It's civil war, then.

 

[Micromind]

I've paid more attention than you have it seems. Just think about it if superman caused an international incident then a committee would be set up to investigate said incident and when they get a hold of the burnt bodies and do an autopsy they'd realize that they are full of bullet holes, hence it makes no sense that superman would've killed any of them.

Bullet holes on burnt bodies ? It depends on how much burnt they are, if the bodies are badly burnt meaning turned into Carbon, which is a reasonable thing to expect as they wanted them to look like Superman had done that, there wouldn't be any bullet holes.

But she still would've heard the gun shots and if they bothered to call her up to the stand she would've said that, hence leading to a more thorough investigation instead of just taking the words of an unreliable witness at face value.
Again this was just bad writing IMO.

Nobody from the Army is willing to come up and testify about the use of "experimental ammunition" given to militants.

As Gen. Swanwick says "It's Classified" when Lois asks him to make a statement. If just Lois appears to testify without giving any proof, who would believe her ? As she would always say something positive about the man who saved her in Africa. I don't think that it's bad writing.

Actually they did, that's clark told lois that "I didn't kill these people if that's what they think" or when ma kent told clark that "you're no killer".

Some people are placing blame on Superman as they saw the burnt bodies and they assume that Superman must have done that as he was there to save Lois.

Coming from Iraq I've seen the western media demonize my country on more than one occasion but the evidence planted at his apartment only showed that the guy was obsessed with superman and the fact that he defaced superman's monument in public and accused him of ruining his life indicates that he is more likely to hate superman than to actually work with him.

Wallace Keefe wanted to defame Superman, so it's not far fetched that he would have planned to bomb the place just to place blame on Superman. Why would anyone blame Superman ? Because he failed to save them in time.

Media of course, is speculating millions of possible scenarios, one of them was possible involvement of Keefy with Superman.

To me the whole 3rd act is a mess and the supposedly smart lex expecting a mindless monstrosity to obey his command because they share blood just goes to further show me how silly the writing on this movie is.

In Avengers" Age of Ultron, genius Tony Stark creates Ultron which he is unable to contrl, and turns destructive. It is a faily common troupe in movies.

 

[kalhawj]

Man after watching the ultimate cut last night, I wish WB would have allow Zack to release this ultimate cut version in theater. This version fix the story telling and made all the scene that didn't make sense, Africa scene, Capital, Lois and clark investigation all made sense, and Lex's master mind to frame Superman and setup Batman v Superman fight. It erase a lot of the issue i had with the movie. What this cut doesn't fix is the tone and darker Superman and Batman. So those that didn't like these aspect will not like the cut either. If you don't mind that this new cut made this movie so much better.

This explain why Zack was not fired. He actually delivery a great movie, but WB wanted a shorter movie and force him to cut it down by 30min.

 

[C. Lee]

What Superman has to do with it? It's civil war, then.

Uh.....stop the killing....stop the terror....is Superman supposed to only try to stop intergalactic monsters from killing people?

 

[idiot09]

Well the CIA knew,and so did that General Swanswick,but as he told Lois,the government knew africa was a setup and someone wanted Superman to look guilty,but he wouldnt go on record because it was all classified,to me its not a big deal cause I can imagine the CIA being shady and covering their tracks(they were goint to drone attack africa,im sure they didnt want that to go on record,blaming superman is easier)

 

[ArkhamMadness]

So I just watched the Ultimate cut and enjoyed it a lot better. My rating went from a 6 to 8.5. The biggest flaws for me in the TC was the editing/pacing which is 100% fixed in this version. I still have questions if someone can figure out the answers.

1. How did Lex know and wait for Batman to turn on his bat signal which initiated the fight with Superman? How did Lex know Batmans timetable for the fight and know the exact moment he needed to kidnap Martha and Lois. How did Lex know Batman was going to for sure fight Superman at all?

2. How did everyone know everyone's identity?

3. What triggered Batman having the Knightmare scene?

4. How did Superman have a vision of his father who told him previously unknown information about the flood?

5. Couldn't Bruce have just found out the White Portuguese was a boat with a quick google search?

6. Why did Lex kill Mercy Graves?

7. How did Lois know the kryptonite spear would work against Doomsday?

8. Why did Lex take off Zod's fingerprints instead of just placing his hand on the console since he had the body with him anyway to place in the genesis chamber?

9. Why did the ship just let Lex take over so easy with no precautions? Can anyone just come in and say the want to take command?

10. Why can Superman hear Lois in danger in Africa but can't hear his mother in danger?

 

[kguillou]

i don't know about you guys but the movie didn't even FEEL like a 3 hour film. Maybe it was because I was so engrossed in it, but I feel like because of the improved pacing and character moments, the 3 hours just flew by. Funny enough, I remember feeling it drag during the TC.