The Cape

Why??,I f'n hate it when people say **** like that!,There could be some fans for it But YOU hate it and so it should be canceled!?.....IF you don't like it then why not forget it/ignore it and let it go instead of wish for it to die officially??
You might hate it, but you might wanna learn to live with it. **** this show &to answer your question
they've been making superhero TV shows for 50+ years, one bad series wont sink the genre. If you have a poorly done show, it's better if it sinks and quickly and the networks see why it sunk. A bad series that hangs around will only lead to more bad series.
Ditto. This is why I was happy to see "Birds of Prey" get canceled
 
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One show can sink a genre if it's one of only two shows on tv at the time (and the other is going off the air).

yeah, they've been making superhero shows for 50 years. But how many were live action? And how many were on at the same time? How long will we have to wait for the next one if this fails and networks are too scared to try them again?

In a genre like this where shows are few and far between, and viewers are few and picky, networks aren't going to look at why it sunk. They're just going to ignore the genre completely in favor of more established ones.

What would be better is if the show gets to stick around and learn from its mistakes. If the Cape made some changes and its ratings and reviews went up, then you'd see networks take interest and try to figure out what's working so they can copy it and cash in.
 
There's people who like it and people who don't.... no ****
 
I noticed they repeated the episode on SyFy and USA, don't usually see it air on other stations that fast
 
doesn't really matter....I just find it funny that they're skewering a show that hasn't even shown its second episode yet
 
I thought that it was humorous because the show's concept is stupid to me.
 
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I feel like the Cape is almost there. Like if it had a year it would get all its characters and its story to a place fans would like. Like the Cape would have a better costume instead of a cape and stitched together fabric, a better Batcave instead of an old computer and news clippings taped to the walls, a better rogues gallery full of fun enemies (maybe they should look at Batman's and Spider-man's rogues more), fun stories, a better supporting cast, its almost there but not just yet.

It feels like Heroes watered down, or Dark Knight watered down. Its missing something major, and if they added that in it might be good. But I agree. I don't really like the main characters. I enjoy the side characters more, like the Crime Circus. Maybe the Crime Circus can join him in fighting crime more. I'd love to see Keith David team up with him and fight crime.
Speaking of fighting, his training might have been shorter because they hinted at him being both a cop and a former soldier who had to do terrible things. Like the Punisher, he was a trained soldier who became an honest cop. But instead of becoming the Punisher he became a Batman type. I sort of liked that they gave him more of a background in combat. Maybe they can incorporate that more into his character.

I also thought it was funny how they did comic book stuff without really trying to fix it for reality or explain it away, like the super high tech holographic computer stuff, or the super comic booky science explanations of things. Or like when they introduced the French assassin and the "League of Assassins," it reminded me of a comic's introducing an idea like a secret league of assassins. Stuff that in a comic would seem normal, but in the real world or live action TV seems a little "wha?"
There were also moments where I paused the show, it was DVRd, and said "What?"
He is fighting Scales, and stops to go with the blogger woman? What happened to stopping Scales?
Or how he was continually stapped even though he was wearing a vest that was supposed to make him unkillable, or how he loaded the knives into the automatic shooting machine. There were a few moments like that where me and my brother looked at each other and said, wait did that really just happen?
I almost think, what could help the show, is tying the real Cape to his comic. Maybe the comic creators get involved somehow, get questioned, begin reporting what the real Cape is doing in their comic, maybe he
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leaves his comic at the scene (like when he was talking to the Mayor or whoever it was, like how the Crow left a Crow symbol in the movies.) Imagine when he takes down a bad guy, someone asks "who are you?" and he slaps down a Cape comic. The look at it and read "The Cape." They look back at him and in a puff of smoke he vanishes. That would be good right? Or maybe cops show up and find a bad guy tied up and taped to him is a Cape comic. Maybe the rogues gallery targets the comic company, I don't know. Just maybe the idea that he is basing himself on a real comic out there should play into the story. Like if someone started dressing like Hawkeye or something. Maybe a bad guy should do the same and base himself on a comic character from the Cape comics. Or maybe bring comics in general into the show more, like comic book stores or the Cape reading comics to get ideas or something.
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What might make the show more fun is if the rogues had costumes like he does.
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Maybe if they gave the show a year, tweaked it a bit, and brought in more fun, then maybe it might get better. They could even introduce some far out there comic ideas like genetic mutations and experiments leading to super powered characters.
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How about do a "Heroes" thing and add more comic art, like in switching scenes or cutting to commercial show the scene as a drawing by a real comic artist like Heroes did with Tim Sale.
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Or maybe ask some comic artists to work on things like his costume design, or story boards, or character designs, like how Watchmen did (asked comic artists like John Cassaday or David Finch to design the main characters). They should somehow, or in several ways, incorporate comics into the show. Because he is a vigilante who took his alter ego from a "real" comic.
And in my personal opinion, like all of this is really, I think the tones of the show show make it too muted. They need to add some color, just a little. So its not all grays, browns, blacks, and muted muddy tones. Maybe add some more color like reds and blues, yellows, greens, or something. Not much, just enough to add some variety.
It just seems like it has potential that is almost there.
Maybe in a year the internet blogger Orwell can use her riches to secretly fund the "Cape." He gets a better layer, with more high tech equipment given to him by Orwell, his costume becomes better thanks to the Circus people, and everything doesn't seem like its stitched together or covered in a layer of dust. Plus in a year more will be revealed about everyone and everything, people's pasts will be shown like the Cap's or Orwell's, or even Keith David's Circus character's.
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if any comic artist tries to "help" this show

I will boycott them and their books and any other works :argh:
 
I am sure you believe that but its not going to happen...how often did the show from the first season tease he was gonna fly?
The power of Smallville is in its ability to keep people waiting for Clark to become Superman...or I like to call it Smallville Blueballs...its like Megan Fox saying she is going to have sex with you and you are happy because she's incredibly hot...but as time goes by you start to realize it aint gonna happen.
...if you think that in any point he is going to put on the suit on camera then I think you are in for some disappointment

Again this isnt the Smallville forum, so I wont add anything else to this "debate" other than the fact that him wearing the suit is a done deal. Come talk to me on May 19th.

LOL OK, Fringe is barely holding on, and likely not to return. Medium's been dying for a while, and is canceled with a shortened season. V barely got a second season. And pretty much every other sci-fi show is either dying, or barely holding on.

Merlin isn't scifi, even though it's on Syfy. Supernatural isn't sci-fi, nor is True Blood.


The only sci-fi show that I can think of that's actually successful right now is Eureka. It's ratings have actually grown every season. And it's a family friendly show.

Regardless of the semantics or how you want to define science fiction/fantasy those shows are typically lumped together from a TV production and advertising standpoint since their demo's are so similar. ( I buy advertising for a living.) There's a lot of that content out there (to varying degrees of quality) and much more in the pipeline. Hell The Hulk and Wonder Woman will likely be popping up on Network TV in the next 24 months.

One show can sink a genre if it's one of only two shows on tv at the time (and the other is going off the air).

It can? Give me an example of a "genre killing" show in the past 20 years? :confused:

yeah, they've been making superhero shows for 50 years. But how many were live action?

Um all of the ones I've been thinking of. I wasnt even considering animation. Just Network TV. Going all the way back to the George Reeves Superman of the 1950's. Think of all the superhero's that have had some sort of live action TV show in the past 50 years.

Superman (x4)
Batman
Spider-man
Hulk
6 Million Dollar Man/Bionic Woman
Wonder Woman
Green Hornet
Shazam/Isis
The Flash
Greatest American Hero
Mutant X
Blade
The Tick

Granted some of those were downright awful, but the point is they keep coming.


And how many were on at the same time? How long will we have to wait for the next one if this fails and networks are too scared to try them again?

In a genre like this where shows are few and far between, and viewers are few and picky, networks aren't going to look at why it sunk. They're just going to ignore the genre completely in favor of more established ones.

Sort of like how Heroes went in the tank and it took the same Network all of what? 8 months to produce another show in the genre? :confused:

What would be better is if the show gets to stick around and learn from its mistakes. If the Cape made some changes and its ratings and reviews went up, then you'd see networks take interest and try to figure out what's working so they can copy it and cash in.

The problem with the Cape, is that it's issues arent just with execution or certain small, fixable aspects of things like plot, direction, etc. The concept and premise sort of suck. How do you recover from that unless you bring in like a JJ Abrams to do a retcon and try to polish the turd?
 
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The problem with the Cape, is that it's issues arent just with execution or certain small, fixable aspects of things like plot, direction, etc. The concept and premise sort of suck. How do you recover from that unless you bring in like a JJ Abrams to do a retcon and try to polish the turd?

i believe mythbusters confirmed that you can actually polish a turd, im sure nbc will hang onto this for a season. they dont have much to fall back on
 
i guess the third episode aired in Canada or some unknown unpopular country as the third episode has been online all day
 
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Tonight's episode was MUCH better but, i've come to realize one of the show's biggest problems.....the guy who plays the Cape just isnt very good. I can't explain it but there's just something very...off about David Lyons, he doesn't seem like a good fit for this role. I found myself cringing every time he spoke...i dunno maybe he'll grow into it and get better but it was very distracting to an otherwise above average episode i thought.
 
So I watched the season premiere and I just feel their was something missing . The comic book opening title sequence was the best part of the episode. As was the scene with his son . But other than that we really didn't get much (No origin story,) I'm sure as the show continues it will unfold .
 
i thought it was a good episode looking forward to next week
 
Sort of like how Heroes went in the tank and it took the same Network all of what? 8 months to produce another show in the genre? :confused:

The problem is that the current crop of superhero shows aren't faring well. Heroes died off and Smallville is coming to an end after its ten-year run. If a new comic series (The Cape) doesn't catch on despite heavy promotion and lack of similar competition, executives might simply decide the time for live-action superhero TV shows is over and simply jump on the next fad. There's always another forensic cop show or reality show that they can put on instead that would be a much lower risk.

The problem with the Cape, is that it's issues arent just with execution or certain small, fixable aspects of things like plot, direction, etc. The concept and premise sort of suck. How do you recover from that unless you bring in like a JJ Abrams to do a retcon and try to polish the turd?

After watching three episodes of The Cape, there are 2 major issues that once dealt with, the show would drastically improve:

1. Pacing - Someone in either writing or postproduction isn't doing his/her/their job right. Either the former are producing overly long scripts or the latter aren't editting well. Individual episodes often feel disjointed moving from scene to scene; making it feel as though we are missing out some details/scenes as well as making it difficult to build tension. The climax in the latest episode ([BLACKOUT]the circus fight[/BLACKOUT]) being a good example. Also, it feels a little soulless; in that we see people doing things on the screen but we don't have much of a connection/investment in what's happening. Again, this I think is being caused by the scenes feeling disjointed/incomplete.

2. The Villain - I think we can all agree that a superhero story is only as good as its villain. I mean, Superman would be nothing without Luthor, Batman without his Rogues Gallery, Season 1 Heroes without the Company and Sylar, etc. At the moment, we don't really know what Chess' game plan is and we don't see him doing much either (beyond gaining control of the police force, as part of establishing the setting/status quo). Sure, we get some vague reference that he's possibly corrupt and using his control to help his various criminal operations but they don't go anywhere. All of this results in him being somewhat uninteresting to watch. What the show needs is to give him a more tangible agenda, have his various villainous operations advance said goal and some sort of right hand man for him to exposit to and interact with, thereby help build us a connection to him and provide exposition/insight into what he's up to.


On a side note:
I think the hints being dropped in this episode heavily suggests that Orwell is Chess' missing daughter.
 
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On a side note:
I think the hints being dropped in this episode heavily suggests that Orwell is Chess' missing daughter.

I called that during the first episode :doh:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=19468432&postcount=132
 
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I didn't watch the second episode. The first one was just so damn painful.
 
Tonight's episode was MUCH better but, i've come to realize one of the show's biggest problems.....the guy who plays the Cape just isnt very good. I can't explain it but there's just something very...off about David Lyons, he doesn't seem like a good fit for this role. I found myself cringing every time he spoke...i dunno maybe he'll grow into it and get better but it was very distracting to an otherwise above average episode i thought.


While I'll respectfully disagree about tonight's episode being "much" better, (I think in a lot of ways it may have actually been worse than last week but thats a whole other point) I think you've hit on something else with your comment about David Lyons.

He's much too timid and soft-spoken. When he's "The Cape" you dont really buy it. Hell, the guy he hung over the bridge didnt really seem to buy it either lol. There's no command or presence when he's wearing the costume. There's no character differentiation.

Compare that to Bale when he puts on the cowl in the Bat films. Whether or not you like his gravely voice as Batman, there's a clear delineation b/t Batman and Bruce Wayne. Lyons seems to suffer from the same thing that plagued Dean Cain's Superman. His costumed hero isnt another character, it's just his normal character wearing a costume. And his normal Farraday character just doesn't have "it." And while the written dialogue is cringe-worthy in it's own right, he doesn't really seem to have the gusto to even try to sell it.

After watching three episodes of The Cape, there are 2 major issues that once dealt with, the show would drastically improve:

1. Pacing - Someone in either writing or postproduction isn't doing his/her/their job right. Either the former are producing overly long scripts or the latter aren't editting well. Individual episodes often feel disjointed moving from scene to scene; making it feel as though we are missing out some details/scenes as well as making it difficult to build tension. The climax in the latest episode ([BLACKOUT]the circus fight[/BLACKOUT]) being a good example. Also, it feels a little soulless; in that we see people doing things on the screen but we don't have much of a connection/investment in what's happening. Again, this I think is being caused by the scenes feeling disjointed/incomplete.

2. The Villain - I think we can all agree that a superhero story is only as good as its villain. I mean, Superman would be nothing without Luthor, Batman without his Rogues Gallery, Season 1 Heroes without the Company and Sylar, etc. At the moment, we don't really know what Chess' game plan is and we don't see him doing much either (beyond gaining control of the police force, as part of establishing the setting/status quo). Sure, we get some vague reference that he's possibly corrupt and using his control to help his various criminal operations but they don't go anywhere. All of this results in him being somewhat uninteresting to watch. What the show needs is to give him a more tangible agenda, have his various villainous operations advance said goal and some sort of right hand man for him to exposit to and interact with, thereby help build us a connection to him and provide exposition/insight into what he's up to.

While those are big issues, I think the underlying premise of the show is extremely flawed. The motivations of most of the main characters just seem really arbitrary and not well thought out. They just seem to do things for the sake of doing them to move the narrative forward.

The entire Carnival of Crime is a head scratcher. If you want to have a band of criminals basically create the hero and their eventual nemesis, then at least give them some kind of clear motivation. Not to harp on Batman again, but take the League of Shadows in Batman Begins. They train Bruce for their own purposes for the hope of making him one of their leaders, when he eventually turns on them. In The Cape, they just take a guy that's a cop and instead of killing him and taking his access card that they used in the crimes, they let him live and teach him how to fight criminals with one of their tools? Huh? :confused: And then in the coming attractions for next week, they seem to be somehow surprised that he's
going to interfere with their criminal activity
. Oh boy.

On a side note:
I think the hints being dropped in this episode heavily suggests that Orwell is Chess' missing daughter.

yeah they sort of hit us over the head with that one. They seem to be playing that card way too early. That's something that would probably be better served if it was revealed, ya know, after we actually started caring about the characters. (Assuming that's ever going to happen?)
 
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so how long til The Crap gets cancelled?

lol i was suckered into watching the first episode with the nifty superhero advertisements i saw everywhere...
it was so horrible i was just laughing at it most of the time...

ninja vanish! lol
 

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