Civil War The Captain America: Civil War News & Speculation Thread TAG SPOILERS! - - Part 26

Just rewatched this movie. Had a thought: When Charlie Spencer's mother confronts Stark about his death, I didn't like that. Obviously she's a grieving mother, and the scene was a catalyst for later, but her way of processing grief and attacking Stark was kind of unhealthy lol

Everything Stark did leading up to that was a result of PTSD
 
Just rewatched this movie. Had a thought: When Charlie Spencer's mother confronts Stark about his death, I didn't like that. Obviously she's a grieving mother, and the scene was a catalyst for later, but her way of processing grief and attacking Stark was kind of unhealthy lol

Everything Stark did leading up to that was a result of PTSD

For me that scene did something AOU should have done but didn't, made Stark feel guilty for creating Ultron. In AOU there were no repercussions for him at all, and he walked all smiles. I hated that. This scene made up for it though, it's one of my favourite scenes in the movie. As it's the start of Tony's arc.
 
Yeah, I had similar problems with Age of Ultron.
 
In a few years time, when there are many more MCU movies and the general public are trying to remember which film is which and which scene comes in which movie, do you think they'll actually remember most of Civil War as a Captain America movie? Or, when they think back to the numerous scenes with multiple Avengers, will they just think this was from some Avengers movie?
 
Three nominations for the Critic's Choice Awards

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/12/0...s-movie-nominees-la-la-land-moonlight-arrival

BEST ACTION MOVIE
Captain America: Civil War
Deadpool
Doctor Strange
Hacksaw Ridge
Jason Bourne


BEST ACTOR IN AN ACTION MOVIE
Benedict Cumberbatch – Doctor Strange
Matt Damon – Jason Bourne
Chris Evans – Captain America: Civil War
Andrew Garfield – Hacksaw Ridge
Ryan Reynolds – Deadpool

BEST ACTRESS IN AN ACTION MOVIE
Gal Gadot – Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
Scarlett Johansson – Captain America: Civil War
Margot Robbie – Suicide Squad
Tilda Swinton – Doctor Strange
 
Maybe BvS and SS will do better at the Teen Choice Awards.
 
Maybe BvS and SS will do better at the Teen Choice Awards.

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A timeline of the events of this movie:
http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/2016

May 2, 2016
Captain America and Falcon get a lead on an ex-HYDRA agent in Lagos, who they believe might be the Winter Soldier.
Bringing Black Widow and Scarlet Witch, Captain America and Falcon leave the New Avengers Facility and fly to Lagos to apprehend the man they believe may be Barnes.

May 3, 2016
As they approach Lagos, Falcon receives further information on the ex-HYDRA agent, and find out that it is not Barnes, but rather Brock Rumlow.
Attack on the IFID Headquarters: Brock Rumlow, now "Crossbones", plans to steal a biological weapon from the Institute for Infectious Diseases in Lagos, Nigeria. Captain America hears about the planned attack and with the other Avengers start to search for Rumlow. Crossbones' mercenaries successfully enter the IFID Headquarters stealing the bio-weapon he was looking for. The Avengers pursue Crossbones' men taking out several of his mercenaries. Crossbones escapes, but not before entrusting the bio-weapon to one of his men. While Falcon, Scarlet Witch, and Black Widow set out to find the bio-weapon, Captain America confronts Crossbones. When he unmasks Rumlow, he begins to blame him for his injuries. Rumlow then mentions Bucky Barnes to distract Rogers, then he activates a suicide bomb intending to kill they both but Scarlet Witch manages to contain the explosion around Rumlow and tries to move the blast away but she accidentally moves the explosion too close to a nearby building before letting it go and inadvertently destroys part of the building, killing numerous civilians and several relief aid workers from Wakanda in the process.
President Matthew Ellis gives a speech where he communicates that the country will help the people affected on Lagos and that they will stand together after this accident.
Following the accident on Lagos, the Sokovia Accords are released.
May 4, 2016
Tony Stark gives a speech at MIT, using a virtual reality creation of his to show the students how he wished his last moments spent with his parents in 1991 had gone. He then funds all of their projects, but cuts the speech a little early when the teleprompter tells him to introduce Pepper Potts, causing Stark to get upset about the recent break-up he went through with Potts.
Backstage after the speech, Tony Stark is confronted by a grieving mother whose son was killed in the Avengers' battle with Ultron in Sokovia. She places the photo of her son on his chest, and tells him that she blames him for her son's death.
May 5, 2016
Greatly affected by his encounter with Spencer's mother, Miriam Sharpe, Stark signs the Sokovia Accords, believing that the Avengers need control and restriction to stop such disasters and tragic deaths from happening again.
June 4, 2016
In the night, Peggy Carter dies peacefully in her sleep.
June 5, 2016
In an interview, one month after the incident in Lagos, the king of Wakanda, T'Chaka, tells that he and his nation support the Sokovia Accords.[19]
As Steve Rogers consoles Wanda Maximoff saying that what happened in Lagos was not her fault, Vision them that Tony Stark and the Secretary of State are waiting in the board room of the facility.
The Avegers reunite with Ross
Thaddeus Ross speaks to the Avengers, while he shows them footage from New York, Washington, D.C., Sokovia and Lagos. He tells them that the United Nations has decided that the Avengers can no longer be allowed to operate privately so they have created the Sokovia Accords, believing it to be the best balance between the Avengers' desire to secure world peace and the world governments' concerns over the destructive repercussions of their interference. Ross tells them that they have three days to make up their minds before the signing of the Accords in Vienna. Before leaving the facility, Ross says that refusing to sign will be seen as an act of resignation.
Meanwhile in Cleveland, Helmut Zemo ambushes retired HYDRA General Vasily Karpov. Zemo hangs him upside down over a sink, slowly filling it up to torture him into giving him the information he needs about the mission of December 16th, 1991 as he finds the Winter Soldier Book, which contains the words used to trigger the Winter Soldier's conditioning. When Karpov persistently refuses to give him information, Zemo leaves him to drown.
The Avengers team is divided over the act; Stark supports government oversight because he feels that they need to be held responsible, whereas Rogers worries that the Avengers may be compromised if they come under the control of the United Nations. Vision realizes that there must be a causality between the increase in heroes and the increase in disasters, and so supports the Accords, along with Natasha Romanoff and James Rhodes. However, Sam Wilson and Wanda Maximoff disagree. During their debate about the Accords, Rogers receives a message informing him of the death of Peggy Carter.
June 8, 2016
Peggy Carter's funeral takes place in London. During the funeral, to Rogers' surprise Sharon Carter delivers a eulogy, in which she reveals that Peggy Carter was her aunt.
After the funeral, Natasha Romanoff hugs Rogers to console him and keep him company. They discuss the issues over the Accords, and Romanoff speaks about how it is important that despite their differences, the Avengers need to stay together. She then leaves to get on the flight to Vienna for the signing.
Bombing of the Vienna International Centre
Bombing of the Vienna International Centre: Arriving at the Vienna International Centre for the signing of the Accords, Romanoff meets T'Challa, son of T'Chaka and prince of Wakanda, who appreciates her signing the Accords. As the meeting is about to begin, a terrorist bomb hidden in a news van by Helmut Zemo goes off, destroying the building and killing King T'Chaka of Wakanda. Zemo then travels to Berlin.
Steve Rogers and Sharon Carter discuss Peggy on the way back from the wake after the funeral. They are interrupted by Sam Wilson who informs them about the Vienna bombing.
When facial scans from security footage seemingly reveal the culprit to be James Barnes, T'Challa vows revenge on Barnes for his father, telling Romanoff that he will kill him. Rogers then calls Romanoff, she tells him not to get involved, or he will be arrested for ignoring the Accords.
Secretly trying to help Rogers and Wilson, Carter hands them a file she has found from her work about the potential location of the Winter Soldier in Bucharest. Rogers and Wilson go after Barnes, hoping to bring him in before the government do.
June 9, 2016
In Bucharest, Barnes discovers that the news are blaming him for the bombing on United Nations in Vienna. But he knows that someone has framed him.
Capture of Winter Soldier: Captain America locates Barnes in his hideout apartment in Bucharest. As they talk, Falcon informs Rogers that the police are entering the building. Barnes prepares to make his escape but the police arrive so Rogers and he are forced to fight their way down the stairwell of the building. Barnes escapes from the building but he is suddenly attacked by a mysterious man in a black panther-like suit. The two fight on the roof before Barnes manages to make his way out to the streets. The chase continues now with Rogers trying to catch up with Black Panther as he pursues Barnes.
War Machine captures Captain America, Black Panther and Bucky Barnes
The chase is interrupted by War Machine who has arrived to arrest the three of them. The Black Panther unmasks himself, revealing himself to be T'Challa to Rogers and Rhodey's surprise. They are then flown to Berlin in custody.
At the New Avengers Facility, Vision cooks paprikash to try to lift Wanda Maximoff's spirits. But when Maximoff tries to leave, Vision moves to block her revealing that Tony Stark has told him to stop Maximoff from leaving.
Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson, Bucky Barnes and T'Challa arrive at the Joint Counter Terrorist Centre.
At the center, Barnes is taken to be seen by interrogator Theo Broussard as Stark sits down to speak with Rogers. During the conversation, Stark explains about what went wrong with his relationship with Pepper Potts, and Rogers sympathizes. Stark explains that he wants Rogers to sign, Rogers reluctantly accepts to sign but when Stark reveals that he is keeping Maximoff at the New Avengers Facility, the conversation gets heated for a brief amount of time, and Stark leaves.
Barnes' interrogation begins, but instead of being seen by Broussard, Helmut Zemo has got into the center pretending to be Broussard who was killed by him. Using the E.M.P. that he has built, Zemo cuts off the electricity supply in the center and leaving him able to speak to Barnes in private. Zemo brings out the Winter Soldier Book. He uses the key words to trigger Barnes' Winter Soldier conditioning again. Zemo forces Barnes to reveal him the mission report of December 16, 1991 and the HYDRA Siberian Facility before ordering Barnes to rip himself out of his bindings and break out of his cage, going on a rampage throughout the center. When Wilson and Rogers arrive, they manage to confront Zemo but Barnes attacks them. Barnes throws Rogers down an elevator shaft as Wilson pursues Zemo.
Bucky Barnes attacks Tony Stark
Escape from the Joint Counter Terrorist Centre: Rogers attempts to climb back up while Stark leads the fight against Barnes but he defeats him. Barnes also defeats Sharon Carter and Natasha Romanoff he then is forced to fight T'Challa however Barnes goes away from him and goes out to the helipad on top of the building. Rogers arrives to catch the helicopter stopping him from leaving. The Winter Soldier crashes the helicopter in an attempt to kill him, but he fails, and the two fall into the water below, where Barnes is knocked unconscious, and Rogers brings him to the surface.
Steve Rogers traps Bucky Barnes' metal arm in a vice in a local abandoned garage so as to stop him from escaping if he is still conditioned when he wakes
Helmut Zemo escapes from Wilson and moves forward with his plan, boarding a flight to Moscow.
When Barnes awakes he proves to Rogers that he is free of the conditioning by recounting to him small details about their childhood. Rogers asks about what wanted Zemo so Barnes reveals the existence of other 5 Winter Soldiers that HYDRA created after he retrieved a super soldier serum in 1991. He says that they had got out of HYDRA's control and had been put back into cryogenic freeze. Barnes tells them that he thinks Zemo will be looking they to reactivate them. Rogers and Wilson discuss what they should do next. While Rogers thinks they are out of luck, Wilson tells Rogers that he might know someone who can help.
After convincing Ross to leave him the work to capture Rogers, Stark and Romanoff decide to recruit T'Challa and Rhodey but Stark reveals her that he has someome else in mind. Stark flies his Quinjet to Queens as fast as possible, hoping to get the help of the relatively new spider-like vigilante who Stark is sure that is the secretly teenager Peter Parker.
Rogers contacts Clint Barton and asks him to help rescue Maximoff and arrange to pick up Scott Lang. Barton accepts.
Parker arrives at his home only to find Tony Stark in his apartment, already talking to his aunt. Stark tells him that he has won the grant he applied for, subtly letting him know that he should go along with what Stark says, despite not knowing what he is talking about. Stark then goes to Parker's room to discuss things further with him. In Parker's room, Stark explains to him that he knows he is the new vigilante of New York. But when Parker denies, Stark finds Parker's hidden costume so Parker explains to him about his powers saying that he has the reponsibility to protect people. Stark informs him that he needs his help and they have to go to Germany, Parker eventually agrees as Stark promises to make him a completely new costume.
Rescue of Wanda Maximoff: Barton causes an explosion outside the New Avengers Facility forcing Vision to briefly leave the compound so he can get away with Scarlet Witch. However, Maximoff initially refuses to leave giving Vision time to arrive in and fight Barton. Because of his far superior abilities, Vision defeats Barton. Maximoff then decides to use her own powers to restrain the synthetic being and throw him down through many floors and deep underground, allowing them plenty of time to escape. Barton then informs her that they have one more stop to make first.
Hawkeye then picks up Scott Lang, as Rogers and Wilson wanted, and him, Lang and Maximoff fly to Germany to meet with Rogers, Wilson and Barnes.
 
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June 10, 2016
Sharon Carter drives Steve Rogers, Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes to the Flughafen Leipzig-Halle, giving them Roger's shield and Wilson's suit. Rogers thanks Carter for all her help, and the two share a kiss. Carter leaves. Barton then arrives with Maximoff and Lang, Lang agrees to help them. Suddenly the group hear that Stark and his team have arrived and shut down the airport, so Rogers tells his team to prepare for a fight.[19]
Stark and his team now with Spider-Man using a new suit that Stark built for him confront Captain America and his team at the airport.[19]
Clash of the Avengers
Clash of the Avengers: After a short skirmish, the six heroes on each side begin to run at each other clashing between them in an attempt to subdue and take down the other, but with no one having the desire to kill anyone else. A massive battle unfolds, resulting in the destruction of much of the airport. Rogers and Barnes know that they have to go to Siberia so as to stop Zemo from reactivating the five Winter Soldiers. They notice Stark's Quinjet parked in a section of the airport, and realize that they are going to need a distraction so as to escape in the jet. In order to distract Iron Man's team, Ant-Man uses his suit to turn into Giant-Man, taking Iron Man's team by surprise. They work on taking down Giant-Man forgeting about Rogers and Barnes. However, Vision notices the trick and causes a tower to fall on them to stop Rogers and Barnes from making with the Quinjet. With Scarlet Witch's help they enter into the jet's hangar. They are stopped by Black Widow but she decides to allow them to escape in the Quinjet subduing Black Panther. Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye and Giant-Man are defeated by Stark's team. As the Quinjet flies away, War Machine and Iron Man fly in pursuit, and Falcon flies after them to help his friends escape. War Machine orders Vision to shoot Falcon's wings to stop him from catching them, but Vision fails catching War Machine's arc reactor instead of Falcon's wings, and causing Rhodes to fall uncontrollably from the sky. He crashes to the ground before Iron Man or Falcon can catch him. He survives the fall, but is severely injured. The Quinjet flies away as Iron Man takes out Falcon in rage. The authorities soon arrive to arrest Captain America's team. Parker
soon returns home.
In the hotel room where Zemo was staying, is found the body of Theo Broussard. The hotel reports the find to local authorities, and it soon reaches the news.
James Rhodes has another MRI scan in the hospital. Stark has a conversation with Natasha Romanoff about her disloyalty. He also informs her that Rhodes may have some sort of paralysis, and that the authorities will be after her, but Romanoff instead warns him to watch his own back. Stark is then alerted by F.R.I.D.A.Y. about the discovery of Broussard's body along with the body were facial mask disguises of the Winter Soldier. Stark realizes of Zemo's plan and manages to explain Thaddeus Ross the situation and also to speak with Sam Wilson on the Raft prison.
Helmut Zemo arrives at the HYDRA Siberian Facility and uses the Winter Soldier Book to enter and navigate the compound. Zemo eventually finds the five other frozen Winter Soldiers.
Stark is greeted by Thaddeus Ross at the Raft and is shocked when he sees the conditions that Rogers' team are being kept in, locked and kept like insane and dangerous people. Stark goes to speak to the team and is insulted by both Clint Barton and Scott Lang, before speaking to Wilson. He uses a device to temporarily disable the audio in the prison so that he can speak to Wilson secretly, explaining that he found out about the Zemo's framing. Finally, Wilson explains about them heading to Siberia, making Stark promise to go as a friend, to which he agrees. Stark then reactivates the audio and leaves.
Pretending that he learned nothing from the team and directing the helicopter back to America, but as it heads off, Stark gets into his armor and flies in the opposite direction to Siberia to help the duo. Meanwhile, T'Challa secretly shadows him in a jet so as to get his revenge on the Winter Soldier.
Captain America and the Winter Soldier find the HYDRA Siberian Facility and prepare arms, then cautiously enter the base, noticing that Zemo has already been there. They suddenly reunite with Iron Man, Stark explains that he has come to help, and the trio reconcile and stand together as they then proceed to explore the facility. While they explore the facility, T'Challa stealthily follows behind at a safe distance.
The trio suddenly discover that the five Winter Soldiers have been killed by Zemo whom reveals that he is from Sokovia and wants to punish the Avengers for the death of his family during Ultron's attack and has been for over a year since the event to find a way to tear the Avengers apart. Black Panther watches on and understands that Barnes was framed by Zemo and walks away so as to contemplate what to do next.
Zemo shows Stark the security video he had finally acquired from the death of his parents, showing that they were murdered by Barnes in order to steal samples of the Super Soldier Serum from their car.
Battle of the HYDRA Siberian Facility: Shocked by the discovery, Stark questions Rogers if he knew that Barnes was the responsible, when Rogers syas the he knew Stark attacks the duo trying to kill Barnes. A chase ensues through the compound, suddenly the three end up falling into a part of the facility. Rogers attempts to tell Iron Man that Barnes was not responsible for his actions, but Stark refuses to listen so Rogers and Barnes are forced to fight Iron Man to save themselves and take him down. During the battle, the Winter Soldier loses his metal arm as Iron Man blasts Captain America in the stomach.
Meanwhile, Zemo is confronted by T'Challa, Zemo explains that he understands that he could not kill the Avengers himself, but realized that if he could make them kill each other, he could bring them down to human level and break them apart in front of the world. Zemo apologize for T'Chaka's death. T'Challa decides that he will no longer let his desire for revenge consume him and prevents Zemo from committing suicide in order to send him to prison.
Inside the compound, Stark analyzes Captain America's fight pattern and defeats him. But suddenly Rogers picks himself up to continue the fight and despite analyzing his fight pattern Iron Man cannot keep up with his flurry of attacks. Rogers finally knocks him to the ground and uses his shield to break Stark's arc reactor and disable his armor, leaving him injured on the floor. Rogers helps up Barnes and begins to depart, but as he leaves, Stark reminds him that his father was the one who made his shield and that he does not deserve it. Realizing that he does not deserve it after the actions he just committed and needing time to reconsider, as well as to show respect to Stark, Rogers decides to leave the shield behind, dropping it on the floor and not looking back.
T'Challa takes Rogers and Barnes on his jet with Zemo held captive as they fly to Berlin to hand over Zemo to the Joint Counter Terrorist Centre. Then the trio fly on to Wakanda.
T'Challa delivers Helmut Zemo to Everett Ross. Zemo is locked away and Ross teases him in his incarceration, but Zemo hints that while he may be imprisoned, that does not mean his plans have failed.
June 11, 2016
Back home in Queens, Peter Parker tells his Aunt May Parker of how he got into another fight, covering up for his secret identity as Spider-Man, and his aunt goes along with his story, despite suspecting he is not telling the truth. Parker discovers a portable holographic computer that Stark had programmed into his new Web-Shooters.
June 12, 2016
Rogers and Barnes are being sheltered in Wakanda, courtesy of King T'Challa. Barnes chooses to be frozen again until his brainwashing can be completely removed, scared of how easy it was to trigger his conditioning. Rogers and T'Challa discuss how the authorities will attack Wakanda if the world finds out about Barnes, but T'Challa states that he does not mind, he wants to help Barnes as he is another victim of Zemo's schemes, just like his father was. He and Rogers gaze at a giant statue of a black panther.
June 14, 2016
Tony Stark arrives back at the New Avengers Facility.
As Rhodes begins physical therapy and learns to use an exo-suit that will help him walk again after he broke his back, Stark receives a package containing a phone and a letter from Rogers. In the letter, Rogers apologizes for everything that happened between them, expressing regret for not telling him the truth about his parents, as well as noting regret for the fact that he simply could not accept the Accords. He tells him that he knows the day will come when the team will need to come together and act as one, and when that day arrives, Rogers and his friends will be just a phone call away.
Rogers helps his friends
Escape from the Raft: Meanwhile, Steve Rogers breaks into the Raft*and frees all his imprisoned team mates. Thaddeus Ross informs Stark about the break-in, but he simply enjoys irritating him by putting him on hold.
 
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What exactly is Spider-man's webbing attached to when he first swings in at the airport battle? They're basically in the middle of an open area.
 
Spider-Man probably jumps over him and uses his web to snatch Cap's shield before he lands. Even when Iron Man calls him you don't seem him using his web to swing.
 
And well it deserves it. Numerous actions scenes, not only of high quality but of widely varying types, and all serving the narrative in one form or another.
 
I love vertical battles. The SM2 train fight overall is amazing, but how it starts at the top of that building...

Cap and Bucky fighting their way down those stairs may top it!!
 
Didn't care for the action in the airport scene but the rest were great. Well deserved win. :cool: :cool:
 
I love vertical battles. The SM2 train fight overall is amazing, but how it starts at the top of that building...

Cap and Bucky fighting their way down those stairs may top it!!

I don't know. SM2 will always be at the top. After all the Spider-Man films that followed, it still held its own. It was insane that train battle.
 
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I watched it again for the first time since the theater. Still holds up for me. I thought Spider-man might have felt shoehorned in hindsight but I bought why Tony recruited him.
 

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