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[Shinobi Shaw]

Alright Derrickson! That was a good shot.

 

[Filmfreak]

Scorsese overgeneralises with his comments, but come on, it's obvious he means producer made movies with little to no artistic freedom by the filmmakers that are released by the dozen. Shared universes and content that it's made mostly to advertise future content. I doubt he's against every single thing based on a superhero or comic property. Heck, he was even going to produce Joker himself. But I'm sure his respect for Nolan comes from the fact that he left franchises behind and he's doing his own stuff now.

 

[Drizzle]

Scorsese overgeneralises with his comments, but come on, it's obvious he means producer made movies with little to no artistic freedom by the filmmakers that are released by the dozen. Shared universes and content that it's made mostly to advertise future content. I doubt he's against every single thing based on a superhero or comic property. Heck, he was even going to produce Joker himself. But I'm sure his respect for Nolan comes from the fact that he left franchises behind and he's doing his own stuff now.

For me it's more that he keeps whining about it long after he made his point the first time. Marty, we get it. No one is arguing. Looking at the box office returns this summer and seeing a biopic about Robert Oppenheimer outgrossed a Spider-Man movie and a Guardians of the Galaxy movie clearly shows that people are at least somewhat getting tired of superhero movies.

 

[kguillou]

We all know this is just Marty lobbying to direct Secret Wars.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Marty back at it again

He’s right and he should say it!

 

[CB Fan]

For me it's more that he keeps whining about it long after he made his point the first time. Marty, we get it. No one is arguing. Looking at the box office returns this summer and seeing a biopic about Robert Oppenheimer outgrossed a Spider-Man movie and a Guardians of the Galaxy movie clearly shows that people are at least somewhat getting tired of superhero movies.

I wouldn’t use that Spider-Man movie as proof as it’s a sequel that made waaay more than its first film showing its audience actually grew by a large amount.

 

[Drizzle]

I wouldn’t use that Spider-Man movie as proof as it’s a sequel that made waaay more than its first film showing its audience actually grew by a large amount.

Sure but the point still stands that at the end of the day, Oppenheimer, an R-rated biopic, outgrossed a Spider-Man movie. Both ATSV and GOTG Vol 3 have done very well at the box office but Oppenheimer outperforming both of them is nothing short of impressive.

 

[Filmfreak]

For me it's more that he keeps whining about it long after he made his point the first time. Marty, we get it. No one is arguing. Looking at the box office returns this summer and seeing a biopic about Robert Oppenheimer outgrossed a Spider-Man movie and a Guardians of the Galaxy movie clearly shows that people are at least somewhat getting tired of superhero movies.

I agree it may come off as whining and "told you so", but it's not like he takes a megaphone and yells in plazas and public places on his own. He's constantly being asked in interviews by reporters who want juicy headlines, so therefore he answers. The fact that this year has brought an audience fatigue in generic superhero films and mediocre blockbusters, while interest for more original or different projects has been boosted, is exactly why these conversations become topical again and comments like this resurface.

 

[Drizzle]

I agree it may come off as whining and "told you so", but it's not like he takes a megaphone and yells in plazas and public places on his own. He's constantly being asked in interviews by reporters who want juicy headlines, so therefore he answers. The fact that this year has brought an audience fatigue in generic superhero films and mediocre blockbusters, while interest for more original or different projects has been boosted, is exactly why these conversations become topical again and comments like this resurface.

I don't even blame him as much as I do journalists who keep asking the same questions to the same people knowing full well what the answers are going to be just so they can get clicks. But to that extent, Scorsese can just avoid it entirely by not commenting.

 

[Filmfreak]

I don't even blame him as much as I do journalists who keep asking the same questions to the same people knowing full well what the answers are going to be just so they can get clicks. But to that extent, Scorsese can just avoid it entirely by not commenting.

Oh I agree about the journalists. Scorsese feels he has to fight the good fight.

 

[Batgirl0202]

Marty is still smarting over Hugo bombing all those years ago

 

[kguillou]

i'd be curious to know if Marty even saw or liked Joker. I wouldnt be surprised if he felt Todd Philipps was ripping him off. lol

 

[DA_Champion]

What can be done to save cinema, and does cinema actually need saving?

 

[DA_Champion]

Oh I agree about the journalists. Scorsese feels he has to fight the good fight.

Journalism is dying across all fields, sports and politics for example. They're beholden to corporate interests, and blogs often do a better job. As an adjacent example to the latter, you can find more thoughtful reviews to most movies here than on the rotten tomatoes links.

 

[flickchick85]

Guess it’s t-shirt time again!

 

[DA_Champion]

Sure but the point still stands that at the end of the day, Oppenheimer, an R-rated biopic, outgrossed a Spider-Man movie. Both ATSV and GOTG Vol 3 have done very well at the box office but Oppenheimer outperforming both of them is nothing short of impressive.

That's true but can't we discount that on the basis that 2023 is an anomaly?

 

[The Shape]

i'd be curious to know if Marty even saw or liked Joker. I wouldnt be surprised if he felt Todd Philipps was ripping him off. lol

Todd Philips would be the first to tell anyone in the world he was riffing on Scorcese with Joker.

 

[Erzengel]

I'm sure he thought it was cinema. LOL

 

[Drizzle]

Marty is still smarting over Hugo bombing all those years ago

Goodfellas getting almost completely shut out at the Oscars in favor of Dances with Wolves would have been my villain origin story.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Blah blah blah, comic book films are ruining cinema. Yes, let’s turn to true heroes like Chris Nolan, who would never stoop so low as to make a movie about superheroes.

I love you Marty, and it’s fine that you feel this way, but give it a rest already. We all know you cantankerous old white men think superhero movies suck and should never be mentioned in the same breath as Taxi Driver and other classics. You don’t need to keep reminding us.

 

[Bayne]

That's true but can't we discount that on the basis that 2023 is an anomaly?

It's true but it's also a little misleading.

ATSV, despite having huge growth from ITSV, still only hit 690m because Americans in particular have a fairly significant bias against animated movies and because international audiences don't seem as interested in the character of Miles as they are in Peter (based purely on ticket sales - though probably plenty of those other countries are also dealing with bias against animation, too).

Adjusted for inflation, the only live action Spider-man movie Oppenheimer has passed so far is ASM 2.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Scorsese is for all intents and purposes an artistic demi-God and can say whatever he wants. What a waste of energy it is to get mad that someone doesn't like CBMs.

 

[kguillou]

I'll just say this re: Scorcese. I'm not mad at the guy whatsoever and never took his anti-marvel comments so seriously, i get what he means. However, I would implore him that "amusement park" cinema has a big place in this world. Do you wanna know why No Way Home was such a juggernaut hit? It wasnt the multi-verse gimmick--yes that was a significant part of it --but it was because it was EXACTLY the kind of feel good movie that people all over the world desperately needed in the holiday season of 2021 after two miserably depressing years of a world changing virus f***ing up everybody's lives. NWH reminded people why we go and escape to the movies. NWH was easily one of the best, most cathartic theatrical experiences i've ever had in my life. The Irishman wasn't going to bring people en masse back to the movies, but Spider-man did.

There are definitely too many superhero movies these days but this very genre saved the movie theaters from oblivion two years ago.

 

[Bayne]

Scorsese is for all intents and purposes an artistic demi-God and can say whatever he wants. What a waste of energy it is to get mad that someone doesn't like CBMs.

Citation needed that there are actually tons of people in here getting mad at it.

But - if the journalists keep asking him and Scorsese keeps answering them and people who agree with him keep posting it in here and all this is considered normal and reasonable, or at worst maybe a bit tedious, then why is it somehow not cool for the people who disagree with him to continue to say they disagree with him?

 

[Luigi]