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[flickchick85]

I don't have much of a clue about these proceedings but is there a chance the actor negotiations might be more straightforward?

Idk either, but I'd like to think so! They now have a baseline in the WGA deal to work from, I would think. I said a month ago I thought both strikes would over before the end of October, and I still think so. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I think they'll meet with and finalize a deal with the actors within the next 2 weeks. Seems like they're finally ready to do whatever it takes to get things moving again.

 

[Detective Conan]

Good for them.

And good for us. We as consumers all benefit from the hardwork & talent of these writers. Without then we wouldn’t have the great shows and movies we all enjoy and now these writers can get back to work to make those things we enjoy. We all won.

 

[Iceman]

And good for us. We as consumers all benefit from the hardwork & talent of these writers. Without then we wouldn’t have the great shows and movies we all enjoy and now these writers can get back to work to make those things we enjoy. We all won.

Yes, definitely. Would be nice if game devs could get this too to secure better conditions and fairer pay.

 

[Iceman]

Idk either, but I'd like to think so! They now have a baseline in the WGA deal to work from, I would think. I said a month ago I thought both strikes would over before the end of October, and I still think so. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I think they'll meet with and finalize a deal with the actors within the next 2 weeks. Seems like they're finally ready to do whatever it takes to get things moving again.

Good point there that I wasn't thinking of. No point really coming to the table and getting business done on one front while letting another factor drag on for ages and mean that you're still stuffed. They should be trying to sort everything out within a reasonable timeframe of each other to make the first "win" effective.

As mentioned, I have no idea about this at all, but for some reason assumed the actor side would be less threatened from AI and that the top level were better paid - although if this helps secure actors on the first rung (no idea if it does) who have a real struggle I'd be that much happier.

 

[flickchick85]

Good point there that I wasn't thinking of. No point really coming to the table and getting business done on one front while letting another factor drag on for ages and mean that you're still stuffed. They should be trying to sort everything out within a reasonable timeframe of each other to make the first "win" effective.

As mentioned, I have no idea about this at all, but for some reason assumed the actor side would be less threatened from AI and that the top level were better paid - although if this helps secure actors on the first rung (no idea if it does) who have a real struggle I'd be that much happier.

I'd argue they are even more threatened by AI, since some of them have already been digitally scanned for that purpose without even knowing that's what it was for. And only 14% of the entire SAG-AFTRA make enough money per year - $26,470 - to even qualify for the Guild health insurance. That is...not really even close to a living wage in LA. So most of them are not any better off than the writers.

 

[Iceman]

I'd argue they are even more threatened by AI, since some of them have already been digitally scanned for that purpose without even knowing that's what it was for. And only 14% of the entire SAG-AFTRA make enough money per year - $26,470 - to even qualify for the Guild health insurance. That is...not really even close to a living wage in LA. So most of them are not any better off than the writers.

Are those AI scans something that can be used to replace actors in films and shows or for other purposes? (like games maybe?) An outrage that they could have had it done to them without their knowledge/permission/fair compensation. I hope there is a way for lawsuits if this isn’t sorted out fairly.

Thanks for that. I wasn’t sure if these negotiations covered actors at the bottom levels or not. Makes it all the more important then.

 

[flickchick85]

Are those AI scans something that can be used to replace actors in films and shows or for other purposes? (like games maybe?) An outrage that they could have had it done to them without their knowledge/permission/fair compensation. I hope there is a way for lawsuits if this isn’t sorted out fairly.

Thanks for that. I wasn’t sure if this deal covered actors at the bottom levels or not. Makes it all the more important then.

Yeah, background actors - who make up a huge portion of SAG-AFTRA - are facing being phased out of the business entirely by AI. Apparently, on recent big studio gigs, they've been getting paid for one single day's work, come in, do their part, and then get digitally scanned. They didn't know that scan was so that their likeness could be used as an AI background character by the studios in perpetuity. I'm sure there was some hidden fine print in their day player contract that allowed for this, but it certainly wasn't being explained to them. They were just told it was "for VFX purposes."

Hollywood's Fight Against AI Puts Background Actors in the Spotlight

Hollywood is gearing up for a fight against AI. But many actors have already had their likeness scanned and wonder if it’s already too late.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, background actors - who make up a huge portion of SAG-AFTRA - are facing being phased out of the business entirely by AI. Apparently, on recent big studio gigs, they've been getting paid for one single day's work, come in, do their part, and then get digitally scanned. They didn't know that scan was so that their likeness could be used as an AI background character by the studios in perpetuity. I'm sure there was some hidden fine print in their day player contract that allowed for this, but it certainly wasn't being explained to them. They were just told it was "for VFX purposes."

Hollywood's Fight Against AI Puts Background Actors in the Spotlight

Hollywood is gearing up for a fight against AI. But many actors have already had their likeness scanned and wonder if it’s already too late.

www.rollingstone.com

That’s terrible. My dumbass was trying to think how they could replace lead actors with AI without considering all the background actors. This is kind of evil making the actors contribute to their own career ruination with utterly deceptive means. I guess this is something they will be pushing hard in negotiations. I wish there was a way to actually punish the companies for doing this in the first place regardless of what gets agreed.

 

[mclay18]

Marty is still smarting over Hugo bombing all those years ago

That was independently financed too. And one of Scorsese’s movies that I love.

 

[Gee]

I think I ****ed up last Sunday.

Went to a local flea market and saw vinyl of Star Wars and Superman: The Movie. Both are probably the original pressings from 1977 and 1978, respectively. Sure, the jackets are old and used since they're over 40 years old today but the vinyl were actually in good condition (a bit dusty but no significant scratches or marks). Both decently priced too at under 20 bucks. For some reason, I just put them back in the bin... Probably a brain fart.

Gotta have to go back there first thing in the morning next Saturday.

 

[Sithborg]

Good point there that I wasn't thinking of. No point really coming to the table and getting business done on one front while letting another factor drag on for ages and mean that you're still stuffed. They should be trying to sort everything out within a reasonable timeframe of each other to make the first "win" effective.

As mentioned, I have no idea about this at all, but for some reason assumed the actor side would be less threatened from AI and that the top level were better paid - although if this helps secure actors on the first rung (no idea if it does) who have a real struggle I'd be that much happier.

Just look at how people praise Robo Luke in Mandalorian. The voice modulations for Kenobi. Why recast when you can just recreate an actor wholesale? AI is definitely going to be a big issue in the upcoming video game contract negotiations.

That’s terrible. My dumbass was trying to think how they could replace lead actors with AI without considering all the background actors. This is kind of evil making the actors contribute to their own career ruination with utterly deceptive means. I guess this is something they will be pushing hard in negotiations. I wish there was a way to actually punish the companies for doing this in the first place regardless of what gets agreed.

Yeah, The Volume has quickly turned from a neat piece of technology, to something that is overally relayed on, that is used in ways that don't look good, and now has the added creepy factor when you have crowds in the background. Frankly, expect more aliens in Star Wars background now.

 

[kguillou]

Very happy the writers got their due and they seem happy with the terms. Now lets get the actors situated. Pay them their worth, get rid of A.I. and lets get these productions back on track. The sooner we get more set leaks of Jackman in that glorious suit the better

 

[flickchick85]

 

[Bayne]

Nothing was topping Star Wars in 2015 and 2017. Age of Ultron still passed $1B and it never stood a chance.

I skipped over this last night because I wasn't really sure what you were trying to say and I didn't really have time to think about it, but I'm looking at it again now and I still really have no idea what you're even trying to say here.

The conversation was never about the highest grossing movie*, it was about the top three movies per year. Ultron still came in 4th, not second, and all it would have had to do take 3rd would've been to at least match the same amount of money the previous Avengers movie made, which was not that much more than what Ultron actually made.

And applying this idea to 2017 makes even less sense, considering the highest grossing superhero movie that year didn't even make the top 5 (unlike in 2022/23).

Ultimately, it seems to me that (taking into account the entire point of the conversation in the first place was comparing 2015 and 2017 to 2022 and 2023) if the first two years just get a pass because 'nothing was topping Star Wars', then logically the last two should be viewed exactly the same because 'nothing was topping Avatar/Barbie'.

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*If the conversation had been just about the top grossing movie instead of the top three, the proper list would've been 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2020*, 2022 and 2023 since superhero films only actually took the top spot 5 times in the 2012-today period. (And for anyone keeping score, it only happened once between 2000-2012.)

 

[BoredGuy]

edit: responding to old posts, moving on

 

[Drizzle]

I skipped over this last night because I wasn't really sure what you were trying to say and I didn't really have time to think about it, but I'm looking at it again now and I still really have no idea what you're even trying to say here.

The conversation was never about the highest grossing movie*, it was about the top three movies per year. Ultron still came in 4th, not second, and all it would have had to do take 3rd would've been to at least match the same amount of money the previous Avengers movie made, which was not that much more than what Ultron actually made.

And applying this idea to 2017 makes even less sense, considering the highest grossing superhero movie that year didn't even make the top 5 (unlike in 2022/23).

Ultimately, it seems to me that (taking into account the entire point of the conversation in the first place was comparing 2015 and 2017 to 2022 and 2023) if the first two years just get a pass because 'nothing was topping Star Wars', then logically the last two should be viewed exactly the same because 'nothing was topping Avatar/Barbie'.

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*If the conversation had been just about the top grossing movie instead of the top three, the proper list would've been 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2020*, 2022 and 2023 since superhero films only actually took the top spot 5 times in the 2012-today period. (And for anyone keeping score, it only happened once between 2000-2012.)

The only real point I was making was more or less that, not counting 2020, last year was the first time in five years where a superhero movie didn't finish in the overall top three box office. And unless The Marvels manages to pull it off it looks like the same thing will happen this year.

 

[Luigi]

 

[Bayne]

The only real point I was making was more or less that, not counting 2020, last year was the first time in five years where a superhero movie didn't finish in the overall top three box office. And unless The Marvels manages to pull it off it looks like the same thing will happen this year.

Ok, I guess. I just honestly don't understand why that's a point worth making since the three years you're talking about there are the years of Infinity War, Endgame and No Way Home. They weren't exactly business as usual for the superhero genre.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Now let’s what happens to the actors?!

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Iceman]

Blue Beetle long forgotten I guess. Hopefully still means opportunities for Xolo to reprise the role.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Gunn and his futile Jedi mind tricks.

 

[Filmfreak]

So basically he will have actors reprise their roles but with no actual connection to what came before, unless it suits him. And people said the X-Men movie continuity was a mess.

 

[kguillou]

Basically John Cena, Margot Robie and Viola Davis are still employed within the DCU is what this means.

Everyone else is out though.

 

[Bayne]

Basically John Cena, Margot Robie and Viola Davis are still employed within the DCU is what this means.

Everyone else is out though.

He still singled out Xolo, too.