The cosmic 'science' tree of life

[Weadazoid]

I find it very interesting what Feige had to say about making Thor work in this movie universe


Opens up a lot of possibilites....dare I say Anihilus as a possible mega villain.

 

[cosmicherosa]

Yggdrasil.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think he's referring more to the sci fi bent Feige mentioned. I'm not a huge fan of taking the gods out of the realm of myth and making them sci fi on a fundamental level, but it's just words at the moment. How they incorporate all that into the film is what matters. I suspect all it'll result in is some vague insinuation that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic," as Arthur C. Clarke put it, which is fine by me so long as we don't see Iron Man figuring the "technology" of Mjolnir out in Avengers or anything. Explain it however you like, but at least let it still appear to be magic; that's the core of Thor's character, after all.

 

[Drz]

Not to mention maybe now people can accept non-White Asgardians.

 

[NoirMan82]

^ Good point. With the direction they seem to be taking, the race of the characters are a moot point.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Not to harp on it again, but it's worth noting that this is pretty much the direction the comics took as well. Yes, the Asgardians were worshiped by white Norsemen, but according to their current Marvel history, they were always extradimensional beings without any direct ties to the Norsemen.

 

[Weadazoid]

The tree of life links earth to several other realms, Asgaurd has....or had a bridge that was some how broken....

I like the idea of a mix of 'magic' and tech, afterall Asguard has some pretty crazy cosmic advanced tech.... but the idea that it exists....opens the door to other dimensions, leading a possible path to Anihilus who could be played out as a huge threat and eventual villain to the Avengers.

 

[NoirMan82]

I brought this up in the other thread. I see Marvel taking a Flash Gordon approach to Thor; part magic, part science to create a unique blend.

 

[afan]

Asgard may possess technology, but why does the presence of technology need to be an explanation for Thor's powers. Storm live's on Earth and Earth has technology, but her ability to control the weather has nothing to do with Earth's tech.

 

[NoirMan82]

It's won't be an explanation for Thor's abilities. Not at all. It will just be the world he inhabits. Asgard well just be a more modern, sci-fi sort of place than a medieval one. It'll will be closer to how Lee, Kirby, and Simonson envisioned it.

 

[Weadazoid]

Asgard may possess technology, but why does the presence of technology need to be an explanation for Thor's powers. Storm live's on Earth and Earth has technology, but her ability to control the weather has nothing to do with Earth's tech.

I don't want technology to be a...explanation of his powers...not at all...

I don't even really think tech should be anywhere near the Hammer...IMO the fact that Uru...is special and increadibly hard to work with....kind of like adamantium should be enough to help explain some of what is going on there.... a mix of magic and tech should help 'forge' the hammer...but thats about as far as I would go.

 

[Webhead2006]

sounds interesting. Could anyone explain to me about the cosmic tree of life a bit?

 

[Bren]

You know, I'm worried about the 'science' aspect now. However, benefit of the doubt and all that, I'm hoping that if science is considered a viable explanation by the characters in the film, as long as the audience knows they are WRONG it'll be fine!

I really want magic Thor.

 

[Webhead2006]

well what if they say its technology in asgard but in midgard realm it seems like its magic due to our view on things we dont understand?

 

[Raiden]

I don't want them to refer to Asgardians as other-dimensional beings who have technology passed off as magic; I'd prefer them to make it look like they are gods who have magic but Earthlings don't know what the truth is, and the key is to make it vague enough unlike Lucas' attempt to explain the Force in scientific terms in TPM (which was an Epic Fail, btw).

 

[afan]

I believe the reference to science is not about the Asgardians abilities, culture or technological prowess, but rather the loose "science" of alternate realities, which Asgard will occupy.
Heck doesn't the concept of heaven and hell also involve that "science".

 

[drax]

Not to mention maybe now people can accept non-White Asgardians.

No, because there are not black asgardians in the comics, it was clearly shown in New Mutants with sunspot during their asgard adventures.

I'm not specially happy with this news, I don't want that the movie change all the concept of Thor just to fit that into the reality, i'm glad that Kevin Feige have taken Kirby and others authors like reference, because it his words could be really confused, specially with Thor ultimates.

If they want to put some science, I hope they will take inspiration from the Eternals.

 

[Weadazoid]

I believe the reference to science is not about the Asgardians abilities, culture or technological prowess, but rather the loose "science" of alternate realities, which Asgard will occupy.
Heck doesn't the concept of heaven and hell also involve that "science".

that goes double for me

 

[NoirMan82]

Here's the deal for everyone who has concerns of Feige's comment. It's ALWAYS been this way in the comics. Here's info on Asgard straight from Marvel:

Asgard is a small planetary body that serves as home to the Norse gods such as Thor, and their ruler, Odin. It exists in another dimensional plane and is about the size of the United States.

Asgard is connected to at least two other dimensional planes that consist of the major land masses the Asgardians refer to as the “Nine Worlds”. Four of the Nine Worlds exist on the same asteroid-like mass that Asgard exists on.

There are natural nexus portals that exist on each of these worlds except for Midgard, and some of these worlds are in direct contact with the roots of Yggdrasil, the cosmic ash tree that stands in Asgard.

I think that for the film they will just be playing up certain aspects of Asgard. As we see from Kirby's old pictures, Asgard is a pretty sci-fi and technological looking place. And having Asgard be more of an extraterrestrial body than a place of pure myth and magic could be the key to connecting Thor to Iron Man and Hulk's more "realistic" world. All in all, no one should worry. They're really not doing anything that hasn't been explored in the comics already. They're just, perhaps, going a little bit deeper into the anatomy of Asgard.

 

[Manowar]

Not to mention maybe now people can accept non-White Asgardians.

"What you talkin about Willis!!" t:

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Asgard is the size of the united states? Isn't Asgard currently only floating above some field in Oklahoma?

 

[Canis Sapiens]

Asgard is the size of the united states? Isn't Asgard currently only floating above some field in Oklahoma?

Yeah, that got me confused, too...

 

[Canis Sapiens]

I believe the reference to science is not about the Asgardians abilities, culture or technological prowess, but rather the loose "science" of alternate realities, which Asgard will occupy.
Heck doesn't the concept of heaven and hell also involve that "science".

BINGO!

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I hope that this Filmverse Asgard isn't the size of America (**** yeah!). I guess I could see an LOTR Gondorian sized Asgard. Same building design and everything.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Depends on whether they portray Asgard as just the city of Asgard or the entire continent of Asgard.