You seem to be a big Lex fan. You are waiting for Hoult’s Lex to be front and center. Not a fan of Hackman, Spacey or Jesse? Will Lex make or break the movie for you?
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Maybe I’m just getting old, but I can’t imagine having that much hate for something. Especially after a certain film franchise repeatedly fell on its face.
Just seems…sad.
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Its due to the ill-will I have for WB at large since 2017 really and how they have conducted themselves since then to both cast & crew of Snyder's films.
Also, absolutely no fan of Gunn's and how the new management 'structure' have gone about their business either.
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Oh god, there’s two of them!I don't think I am on my own in this thinking though....
I'm sorry, but I just can't take you seriously.I don't think I am on my own in this thinking though....
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Maybe you're right. Maybe we shouldn't sanction this buffoonery!
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So you're admitting that James Gunn only makes kiddy flicks to sell toys!
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God I hate Snyder Bros.
They truly are the worst thing to ever happen to Superman.
Hopefully, this movie is a big success.
They truly are the worst thing to ever happen to Superman.
Hopefully, this movie is a big success.
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Yeah I mean... I think that's the point of the eye roll...I don't think I am on my own in this thinking though....
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I don't think you have to, there's no rule against it.
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I'm not a 'bot'.
I just think WB behaved abysmally over Zack's daughter's death and showed no compassion and have shown zero class since.
That's all.
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They brought Snyder back to finish Justice League. MOVE THE **** ON!! JESUS CHRIST!!
Sick of this ****.
Sick of this ****.
Don't get mad at them. Laugh at them. Or put them on ignore.
They're comically tragic at this point.
It's probably best of we all just move on and not bite at the bait.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying it would break it, maybe, Idk. I do know that JE as Lex was very cringe whenever he was on screen. So it did kinda help to break BvS
( among other things )
I understand that this is first and foremost a superman film, so superman should be front and center.
That said, it's past time Lex gets his due as well.
I have faith that Gunn is gonna give us the Superman AND Lex that most of us have been waiting on.
A hero is only as good as his villain is.bad.
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If Lex is in the movie as the main villain, you can't really do Superman justice if you make a poor Lex. The problem with the previous Fantastic Four movies isn't even really because the Fantastic Four themselves were done dirty, its that they ****ed up Doctor Doom and Galactus. Your hero is only as good as their villain.
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Just a thought...while we know this film will start in the middle of the action, and this Superman will have already been Superman and known to the world for 2 or 3 years it seems--but there is something that makes me slightly worried. Not that I want another origin story--to which I also think not doing another origin is the right call--It worked for Matt Reeves' The Batman which is not an origin story, but it had at least some backstory and took time to develop most of the characters. It felt like a beginning in a way without actually taking place in the beginning.
In line with my last statement though, I've always felt something noticeably off when I've watched other Superman animated media, specifically with Superman: Doomsday, All Star Superman and Justice League: War (a movie which I loathed by the way). It's hard to describe what the issue was for me. I think in part, it had to do with the new voice actors which seemed to be a factor. But it didn't feel that way entirely when I watched Superman/Batman: Public Enemies and Apocalypse. You had Tim Daly, Kevin Conroy as well as Clancy Brown, and if you were already familiar with them, then you didn't really need a backstory. I didn't have an inability to care about the characters. But in Justice League: War, Superman is introduced as more muscle than man, violently aggressive and lacking any kind of emotion or depth.
I'm not too worried about Gunn interpreting Superman that way, and I feel fairly confident Gunn will give Superman enough humanity. But in most of these animated films, when Superman was introduced in the middle of the action, as well as other characters such as Lois, Perry and Jimmy, something felt off. I don't know how to explain it. I did enjoy All Star Superman, as well as Superman vs The Elite, but something felt missing to an extent. In some ways, when they show all these characters, it's as if the expect us to already be familiar with the characters.
I think it's when an average audience watches one of those films without any real introduction or prior knowledge to Superman's background or origin, they might find it hard to relate to Superman who's this all-powerful being from another planet who's all-good, but they may not be aware of when and how long he had been raised on Earth, because for me, an important factor of the Superman character is that he is human. Yes, he's from another planet, but he was raised as a human. Superman vs The Elite does interpret Superman as all-good. For a new audience member, I don't know if they would be able to relate. What helped me enjoy it more was the fact that George Newbern did the voice, whom I was already familiar with as Superman in the Justice League animated series.
In All Star Superman, while obviously not an origin story, it focuses on Superman's condition. He was dying of cancer. They show us that Superman and Lois have already had an established relationship. I wonder how a new audience member jumping right into this story would have been able to relate or sympathize with these characters, particularly Superman who was dying. I still enjoyed the film though. I feel like if Gunn started Superman's first film in the DCU with a direct adaptation of All Star's plot, it wouldn't be a good way to begin Superman's story. Pretty sure Gunn won't do the cancer story though. I think it might work for a third sequel.
Just saying, for non-fans, they have notoriously complained that Superman is not 'relatable' and I couldn't disagree more. It's ignorant.
I think what helped audiences relate to Superman more in the CW series Superman and Lois was when they gave a brief introduction of Superman's origin to the present day in the pilot. This series aside, I felt Reeve's Superman was relatable enough in the Donner films...even Superman IV. The Smallville series too. Superman the animated series, most of the time, Superman felt relatable, but I found him even more relatable in Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.
In line with my last statement though, I've always felt something noticeably off when I've watched other Superman animated media, specifically with Superman: Doomsday, All Star Superman and Justice League: War (a movie which I loathed by the way). It's hard to describe what the issue was for me. I think in part, it had to do with the new voice actors which seemed to be a factor. But it didn't feel that way entirely when I watched Superman/Batman: Public Enemies and Apocalypse. You had Tim Daly, Kevin Conroy as well as Clancy Brown, and if you were already familiar with them, then you didn't really need a backstory. I didn't have an inability to care about the characters. But in Justice League: War, Superman is introduced as more muscle than man, violently aggressive and lacking any kind of emotion or depth.
I'm not too worried about Gunn interpreting Superman that way, and I feel fairly confident Gunn will give Superman enough humanity. But in most of these animated films, when Superman was introduced in the middle of the action, as well as other characters such as Lois, Perry and Jimmy, something felt off. I don't know how to explain it. I did enjoy All Star Superman, as well as Superman vs The Elite, but something felt missing to an extent. In some ways, when they show all these characters, it's as if the expect us to already be familiar with the characters.
I think it's when an average audience watches one of those films without any real introduction or prior knowledge to Superman's background or origin, they might find it hard to relate to Superman who's this all-powerful being from another planet who's all-good, but they may not be aware of when and how long he had been raised on Earth, because for me, an important factor of the Superman character is that he is human. Yes, he's from another planet, but he was raised as a human. Superman vs The Elite does interpret Superman as all-good. For a new audience member, I don't know if they would be able to relate. What helped me enjoy it more was the fact that George Newbern did the voice, whom I was already familiar with as Superman in the Justice League animated series.
In All Star Superman, while obviously not an origin story, it focuses on Superman's condition. He was dying of cancer. They show us that Superman and Lois have already had an established relationship. I wonder how a new audience member jumping right into this story would have been able to relate or sympathize with these characters, particularly Superman who was dying. I still enjoyed the film though. I feel like if Gunn started Superman's first film in the DCU with a direct adaptation of All Star's plot, it wouldn't be a good way to begin Superman's story. Pretty sure Gunn won't do the cancer story though. I think it might work for a third sequel.
Just saying, for non-fans, they have notoriously complained that Superman is not 'relatable' and I couldn't disagree more. It's ignorant.
I think what helped audiences relate to Superman more in the CW series Superman and Lois was when they gave a brief introduction of Superman's origin to the present day in the pilot. This series aside, I felt Reeve's Superman was relatable enough in the Donner films...even Superman IV. The Smallville series too. Superman the animated series, most of the time, Superman felt relatable, but I found him even more relatable in Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.
