The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[SwordOfMorning]

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That woman looks like she's about to incinerate David with her own loser vision.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I really enjoyed Tower of Babel but Morrison’s JLA run is the only main group book I’ve ever truly loved.

I prefer almost every DC character in an ensemble context personally but JLA is for sure the best overall run. Maybe a few single JL stories by other writers here and there I'd put above it but as an overall piece definitely.

 

[flickchick85]

That woman looks like she's about to incinerate David with her own loser vision.

I know “loser vision” was probably a typo but it’s killing me.

 

[SupermansPal]

The outfits are veeeeeery 70s.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I think in terms of Metropolis and other major DC cities, the more stylized and standout elements, the better.

I never cared to know what superheroes in the real world would look like. I suppose for a time I can see why filmmakers and audiences alike would want answers to that question, but I think the time for that has passed.

 

[DKDetective]

The outfits are veeeeeery 70s.

There is some 70s influence in some of the costuming in terms of the Earth tones and plaids, but like The Batman's costume design, they appear to be an amalgam of several different time periods. For instance, the beige suit jacket in the top right has a very low gorge, which is very late 80s. Similarly, the paisley blouse and neckerchief on the far right is very late 60s.

 

[Ninjablade]

I liked some of their Batman run...but honestly their Batman and Robin with Dick as Batman and Damien as Robin was better IMHO.

Dick being Batman is one of most interesting and fun uses of the character in a long while. Wish that was still the status quo at times.

 

[Eddie Dean]

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Who is she?

 

[Invader Joker]

It could be the lighting, but in that video from yesterday, the suit seems a good deal darker and David looks super pale:
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It's just a case of a bad camera. Everything looks weird and discolored, not just Superman.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Dick being Batman is one of most interesting and fun uses of the character in a long while. Wish that was still the status quo at times.

Batman as a smiley, witty swashbuckler and Robin as an angry violent lunatic is such a ****ing hilarious dynamic.

 

[Babillygunn]

You know what I don't think I ever read Tower of Babel? I feel like I absolutely must have at some point in my life but I'm realizing I am unsure. Curious on your read on Kingdom Come's message, there's absolutely some stuff going on there but I just always have this underlining sad feeling that this beautifully made story isn't about anything other how 90s comics suck and are immoral (which I don't disagree with! And it doesn't feel as infantile as What's So Funny in that regard). Not that there's anything wrong with a superhero story not having some profoundly interesting deeper meaning - just that Kingdom Come clearly presents itself as such and thus invites that kind of examination.

Wein's one of the great old school guys! Also if we're talking classic writers I'm a big O'Neil fan. Especially because he really grew with the times as a writer. His Batman might be his biggest historical accomplishment but his peak was The Question, imo.

I think Kingdome Come is much more than that at its core. I read it as an examination of the tension between authoritarianism and ambivalence. It presents moral questions such as: if someone has the power to stop evil, are they morally obligated to do so? And what about when stopping evil infringes upon the agency of others? The story presents a spectrum that each character places themselves on for that question. Wonder Woman, with the pain she has experienced takes a hard line approach, whereas Spectre is a complete laissez faire observer. Batman rules over Gotham in a police state and Superman is reintroducing himself into the world and wrestling with where he will rest on the spectrum.

In many ways, the story wrestles with societal questions of freedom versus authoritarianism, and the preservation of agency while preserving peace, as well as theological questions of how can a good god allow suffering.

But that’s just how I read it.

 

[SupermansPal]

 

[SwordOfMorning]

White Richard Ayoade.

 

[dhandler01]

You know what I don't think I ever read Tower of Babel? I feel like I absolutely must have at some point in my life but I'm realizing I am unsure. Curious on your read on Kingdom Come's message, there's absolutely some stuff going on there but I just always have this underlining sad feeling that this beautifully made story isn't about anything other how 90s comics suck and are immoral (which I don't disagree with! And it doesn't feel as infantile as What's So Funny in that regard). Not that there's anything wrong with a superhero story not having some profoundly interesting deeper meaning - just that Kingdom Come clearly presents itself as such and thus invites that kind of examination.

Wein's one of the great old school guys! Also if we're talking classic writers I'm a big O'Neil fan. Especially because he really grew with the times as a writer. His Batman might be his biggest historical accomplishment but his peak was The Question, imo.

Tower of Babel is arguably the best Batman in Justice League story ever. JLU did an episode based on it as well I think.

 

[Ninjablade]

He looks like such a dork, I love it.

 

[Babillygunn]

Tower of Babel is arguably the best Batman in Justice League story ever. JLU did an episode based on it as well I think.

I love this page from the follow up, Divided We Fall. It really shows a side of Batman and Superman’s relationship that is quite awesome.

Batman was understanding of being voted out of the JLA. But he was openly hurt that Superman was the deciding vote. He understood all of the others, but Superman was his friend who he expected to have his back. And he shames Superman for it.

Great story.

 

[DKDetective]

Who is she?

Granny Goodness in disguise obviously.

 

[Sawyer]

Loving the costume design on the Metropolis extras. Giving a bit of a Batman ‘89 vibe of being not necessarily of this time, but also not full period.

 

[DKDetective]

Loving the costume design on the Metropolis extras. Giving a bit of a Batman ‘89 vibe of being not necessarily of this time, but also not full period.

To me, it is more like The Batman in that the regard with inspiration being drawn from multiple time periods. Batman '89 more so just drew upon the 80s existing revival of 30s-40s fashion trends and exaggerated that as part of the Dark Deco aesthetic.

 

[dhandler01]

I love this page from the follow up, Divided We Fall. It really shows a side of Batman and Superman’s relationship that is quite awesome.

Batman was understanding of being voted out of the JLA. But he was openly hurt that Superman was the deciding vote. He understood all of the others, but Superman was his friend who he expected to have his back. And he shames Superman for it.

Great story.

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Yeah this was the beginning of the overly paranoid and bitter Batman.

 

[Breogan]

Batman as a smiley, witty swashbuckler and Robin as an angry violent lunatic is such a ****ing hilarious dynamic.

Ironically that's literally original kick-ass, acrobat, devil-may-care, pulp era, Dick Grayson Robin.

Grayson taking on his Parents murderers alone, somersaulting, kicking, slingshotting, and tossing criminals, Zucco's mob, off city rooftops and scaffoldings, one by one, to their deaths.
Viciously going to far, until Batman has to real him in. Save the goons from Robin, so they can confess, before Robin kills them all.
Then again in Jokers first appearance, kicking Joker off the side of a building to his possible death!
Again it's Batman who has to step in to save Joker from Robin.

Spoiler

That was the first, best, and will always be the definitive version of Robin, in who Batman recognized what he himself, could have easily become. Thus taking him under his wing (and Oath), so he wouldn't become what took his parents.

DC has forever since been trying to retrieve that vision, with all these derivative versions of the character, so they can tell themselves (and the fans) they created something new, and new readers can tell themselves look how edgy, and "kick-ass" Robin is now.

 

[Breogan]

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even better

...Batman does not work in a world wherein Superman and his mythology coexist.

This Batman is seperate stance WB repeatedly puts out there , and some fans just parrot, always bugged me.

That is exactly how you play it, and why it absolutely works. That ^ statement should be exactly Batman's POV, what he believes, and should be his reaction to Superman's appearance, as completely alien, and intrusive, to "his" established world and character.
That should be the set-up to the shared U.
Two who absolutely don't belong together, not on the same planet, not in the same city, not on the same team, yet find a bigger shared and common goal.
And that forever establishes the DCU and why it works.

 

[jetage]

Must say this has been a fun week. David looks great in the suit, comfortable and confident, something Cavill always seemed to lack. Also we got something we never got from the DCEU, a smiling Superman.

Gunn has talked about the chemistry he saw between his Superman and Lois, and the picture of them together looked magical. I do want to see more. Although them smiling amidst all of the destruction seemed off, it probably was just the actors.

Some strange rumors online of something happening at ComicCon, but I don't believe it.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Must say this has been a fun week. David looks great in the suit, comfortable and confident, something Cavill always seemed to lack. Also we got something we never got from the DCEU, a smiling Superman.

Gunn has talked about the chemistry he saw between his Superman and Lois, and the picture of them together looked magical. I do want to see more. Although them smiling amidst all of the destruction seemed off, it probably was just the actors.

Yeah it's been one of those rare, unique moments in fandom that I know I'll be talking about in the future. Fun ride

 

[Herolee10]

Given the rising temperatures as of late, I don't envy any of the costumed cast members that have to film outdoors during the day right now.