The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[DKDetective]

There are literally so many ways to answer this. I'll try to just list a few for brevity:
1) Did I ever say that Superman needed to be gritty? Did I ever say that Superman needed to be depressed? Did I ever mention those words at all? Nope.
2) Superman is a great many things to a great many people. You don't get ownership over him. You don't get to say that "Superman only works within this box." When written well, Superman should be able to exist in many contexts.
3) Generally, realism helps the Melodramatic mode. It helps to keep the stakes feeling real. In a cartoon, it's hard to maintain suspense, because we generally know that the world is fake, and thus the rules are fungible. A story that embraces realism tends to feel more suspenseful for this reason.
4) The value of making a Superman character in a grounded, realistic world is pretty simple, in that it's the version of Superman that we've seen the least, while many of us have watched Superman cartoons.
5) I'm a grown up; thus, I like grown up themes. And superhero stories are actually perfect for them, because crime fighters who put their lives on the line are indeed, capable and fit to battle with complex emotions and situations.


Let me guess, here's where you say I'm not a true fan, because a true fan wouldn't have these sorts of opinions.... *yawn*

Or else you will be spending some time in the Cooler.

 

[MaceB]

Alright... I'll take this attention to my very straight forward and professional post to be code for, "we don't like your opinions so please don't express them with specificity or you'll be punished."

Noted. See you guys in a few months maybe.

 

[Nemeres]

Sweet. I'm a sucker for mass evacuations (suitcases?) and an even bigger sucker for bridge action scenes (Spider-Man, Cloverfield), so this really hits the spot.

 

[Lily Adler]

Sweet. I'm a sucker for mass evacuations (suitcases?) and an even bigger sucker for bridge action scenes (Spider-Man, Cloverfield), so this really hits the spot.

Fantastic Four?

 

[flickchick85]

Alright... I'll take this attention to my very straight forward and professional post to be code for, "we don't like your opinions so please don't express them with specificity or you'll be punished."

Noted. See you guys in a few months maybe.

When you tell people what they “don’t get to do” when they disagree with you, your tone is antagonistic, period. There’s nothing “professional” about that. It’s not the opinion that’s unwelcome, it’s the way you’re expressing it. If you can’t handle getting pushback to an unpopular opinion without resorting to this tone, then perhaps taking time off is wise.

 

[routhman]

Among the filmmakers, I see Donner Ave., Snyder St. and Goyer Dr. But haven't yet located Lester or Singer.

Perhaps because Singer is a ‘lester.

 

[Nemeres]

Fantastic Four?

Er, sure.

True Lies, too!

 

[Captain Tired]

Fantastic Four?

Mothman Prophecies

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There are literally so many ways to answer this. I'll try to just list a few for brevity:
1) Did I ever say that Superman needed to be gritty? Did I ever say that Superman needed to be depressed? Did I ever mention those words at all? Nope.
2) Superman is a great many things to a great many people. You don't get ownership over him. You don't get to say that "Superman only works within this box." When written well, Superman should be able to exist in many contexts.
3) Generally, realism helps the Melodramatic mode. It helps to keep the stakes feeling real. In a cartoon, it's hard to maintain suspense, because we generally know that the world is fake, and thus the rules are fungible. A story that embraces realism tends to feel more suspenseful for this reason.
4) The value of making a Superman character in a grounded, realistic world is pretty simple, in that it's the version of Superman that we've seen the least, while many of us have watched Superman cartoons.
5) I'm a grown up; thus, I like grown up themes. And superhero stories are actually perfect for them, because crime fighters who put their lives on the line are indeed, capable and fit to battle with complex emotions and situations.


Let me guess, here's where you say I'm not a true fan, because a true fan wouldn't have these sorts of opinions.... *yawn*

2. While this is true, I do think it's fair to point out that you can adapt a character so out of the ordinary for them, that they cease to be that character. You could make a Batman film, and substitute in the Punisher, with his typical origin, characterization, etc. You could call it a Batman movie. I don't think most would consider that a Batman movie.

4. What does grounded mean to you?

5. What are grown up themes to you?

 

[TheGDBatman]

5. What are grown up themes to you?

Personally, I’d love to see Superman tackle abortion

 

[Kane52630]

Personally, I’d love to see Superman tackle abortion

Ant-Man already did it.

 

[Lily Adler]

Personally, I’d love to see Superman tackle abortion

Martha had one because their child wouldn't survive to term and Clark was their miracle baby.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Martha had one because their child wouldn't survive to term and Clark was their miracle baby.

They tried to abort Clark post-birth. But you know, Clark had the sun to save him.

 

[Babillygunn]

In all seriousness, if you were going to do Superman tackling current events, there are two ways to do it: either he is the picture of positive goodness a la Smashes the Klan, or, if you want a grittier take, then don’t do Superman. Do an Icon and Rocket film (which I’d love to see.)

 

[flickchick85]

Superman's main nemesis is manipulative, xenophobic, megalomaniacal billionaire who weaponizes fear, bigotry and prejudice for his own personal gain and eventually becomes president. It's really too bad that has no thematic relevance today.

 

[Snow Queen]

Superman's main nemesis is manipulative, xenophobic, megalomaniacal billionaire who weaponizes fear, bigotry and prejudice for his own personal gain and eventually becomes president. It's really too bad that has no thematic relevance today.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

So Gunn's Superman movie is a "cartoon" because... it has color? It has other superheroes? We don't know much if anything about the story, but people are calling it a "cartoon" for... some reason?

MOS literally has cartoonish action sequences stolen from Dragon Ball Z, but that is "mature"?

I don't get it.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Snyder and The Boys really did a number on a certain demographic.

I'll take live action Saturday morning cartoon Supes in his red trunks doing some good over that grim, moody BS we got with MOS any day.

 

[Kane52630]

I just hope we get this scene

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Superman's main nemesis is manipulative, xenophobic, megalomaniacal billionaire who weaponizes fear, bigotry and prejudice for his own personal gain and eventually becomes president. It's really too bad that has no thematic relevance today.

 

[jetage]

My hope is they really let David shine in this movie. I believe he can do an honorable Superman, but I also believe he can really nail a shy, somewhat nerdy, quiet and smart Clark Kent. I want his Clark to be charming in a way that intrigues Lois, smart, a good writer, and believable at the best newspaper in comics. I want Lois to be drawn to him.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Snyder and The Boys really did a number on a certain demographic.

I'll take live action Saturday morning cartoon Supes in his red trunks doing some good over that grim, moody BS we got with MOS any day.

I'm currently watching the absolute perfection that is My Adventures with Superman. It's far more mature then anything I've ever seen from Snyder. I feel like too many people confuse MPAA ratings with mature, complex storytelling. Hostel isn't Schindler's List, people.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I'm currently watching the absolute perfection that is My Adventures with Superman. It's far more mature then anything I've ever seen from Snyder. I feel like too many people confuse MPAA ratings with mature, complex storytelling. Hostel isn't Schindler's List, people.

I have to catch up on the last 3 episodes, I've been slacking. That show also has a Lois that is right up there with Delaney and Tulloch.

And I lost faith in people in these fandoms when they got excited over 'we live in a society'.

 

[flickchick85]

I'm currently watching the absolute perfection that is My Adventures with Superman. It's far more mature then anything I've ever seen from Snyder. I feel like too many people confuse MPAA ratings with mature, complex storytelling. Hostel isn't Schindler's List, people.

I think this week's episode really cemented its place as my favorite adaptation to date.

 

[Snow Queen]