The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[MaceB]

Where have you gotten that idea from?

There's no JL, and he's not the new kid on the block. The movie isn't an origin, he's an already established hero - and all we know so far is that there are other heroes too, but they seem to be operating in a more 'corporate' way than he is.

Well, he's facing off or partnering with a group of heroes with similar uniforms, which would indicate that they are a part of a team.

The suit seems hand-made to me, which would indicate that this is Superman in his early career. Also, he isn't in uniform like the others are, so he's either a lone operator or a new kid on the block.

Based on the evidence we have, my conclusions aren't a stretch. Maybe the team isn't called "the Justice League." So what? The point is that this is a world of Superhero police forces, superhero celebrities, etc. and Superman seems separate from that. He's doing his own thing.

 

[MaceB]

I’m glad you’re not making this movie.

Please... no... don't say that. Your view of me matters to me so greatly.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

 

[SupermansPal]

Honestly, I could use the same logic to say the ship has sailed on Superman cinematically as a whole. Superman Returns wasn't a big hit either. Maybe the audience has spoken and they just aren't interested in Superman period. Or maybe it's that Snyder didn't do a great job with a good premise. Things really don't need to be so black and white.

Superman Returns outgrossed Batman Begins, its doom was the movie’s looooooong development hell that massively inflated its budget.

 

[flickchick85]

The only SUCCESSFUL versions of Superman have kept the kid audience in mind as a primary target. You lose the kids, you lose character’s core appeal. SR and MoS were both guilty of this.

 

[Alien Anal]

Unfortunate last name for John the photographer.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[SupermansPal]

 

[Kane52630]

 

[hopefuldreamer]

 

[Glassjaw]

The only SUCCESSFUL versions of Superman have kept the kid audience in mind as a primary target. You lose the kids, you lose character’s core appeal. SR and MoS were both guilty of this.

That's why even though this film isn't an origin story, I hope there's some sort of introduction or recap. Kids need a big screen introduction to him.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

 

[MaceB]

Superman Returns outgrossed Batman Begins, its doom was the movie’s looooooong development hell that massively inflated its budget.

There were a lot of wrong steps in that movie actually. You just want to disregard them, because it doesn't help your anti-Snyder thesis.

MoS outgrossed Batman Begins as well.

Needless to say, there are A LOT of variables outside how realistic the movie is, that will determine its quality.

 

[DCDAVE]

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Where is Gotham City?

 

[Dr.]

Among the filmmakers, I see Donner Ave., Snyder St. and Goyer Dr. But haven't yet located Lester or Singer.

 

[Lily Adler]

There were a lot of wrong steps in that movie actually. You just want to disregard them, because it doesn't help your anti-Snyder thesis.

MoS outgrossed Batman Begins as well.

Needless to say, there are A LOT of variables outside how realistic the movie is, that will determine its quality.

To be fair, Chris Nolan didn't become the juggernaut name that he was until after Begins, so WB was hoping his name alone would carry MoS closer to the billion mark.

 

[Babillygunn]

Honestly, I could use the same logic to say the ship has sailed on Superman cinematically as a whole. Superman Returns wasn't a big hit either. Maybe the audience has spoken and they just aren't interested in Superman period. Or maybe it's that Snyder didn't do a great job with a good premise. Things really don't need to be so black and white.

Why is making Superman gritty and depressed a good premise?

That isn’t who the character is.

 

[Herolee10]

 

[Lily Adler]

Why is making Superman gritty and depressed a good premise?

That isn’t who the character is.

The original premise that sold Nolan was how would the modern world react to Superman and pushed it through. Goyer fumbled hard on the characterizations.

 

[MaceB]

Why is making Superman gritty and depressed a good premise?

That isn’t who the character is.

There are literally so many ways to answer this. I'll try to just list a few for brevity:
1) Did I ever say that Superman needed to be gritty? Did I ever say that Superman needed to be depressed? Did I ever mention those words at all? Nope.
2) Superman is a great many things to a great many people. You don't get ownership over him. You don't get to say that "Superman only works within this box." When written well, Superman should be able to exist in many contexts.
3) Generally, realism helps the Melodramatic mode. It helps to keep the stakes feeling real. In a cartoon, it's hard to maintain suspense, because we generally know that the world is fake, and thus the rules are fungible. A story that embraces realism tends to feel more suspenseful for this reason.
4) The value of making a Superman character in a grounded, realistic world is pretty simple, in that it's the version of Superman that we've seen the least, while many of us have watched Superman cartoons.
5) I'm a grown up; thus, I like grown up themes. And superhero stories are actually perfect for them, because crime fighters who put their lives on the line are indeed, capable and fit to battle with complex emotions and situations.


Let me guess, here's where you say I'm not a true fan, because a true fan wouldn't have these sorts of opinions.... *yawn*

 

[SwordOfMorning]

The original premise that sold Nolan was how would the modern world react to Superman and pushed it through. Goyer fumbled hard on the characterizations.

A lot of MoS is conceptually the ideal Superman movie to me. The problem is it was written by a dick and directed by an idiot.

 

[Lily Adler]

A lot of MoS is conceptually the ideal Superman movie to me. The problem is it was written by a dick and directed by an idiot.

I would have settled for the dick and Warcraft dude, but alas...

 

[hopefuldreamer]

There are literally so many ways to answer this. I'll try to just list a few for brevity:
1) Did I ever say that Superman needed to be gritty? Did I ever say that Superman needed to be depressed? Did I ever mention those words at all? Nope.
2) Superman is a great many things to a great many people. You don't get ownership over him. You don't get to say that "Superman only works within this box." When written well, Superman should be able to exist in many contexts.
3) Generally, realism helps the Melodramatic mode. It helps to keep the stakes feeling real. In a cartoon, it's hard to maintain suspense, because we generally know that the world is fake, and thus the rules are fungible. A story that embraces realism tends to feel more suspenseful for this reason.
4) The value of making a Superman character in a grounded, realistic world is pretty simple, in that it's the version of Superman that we've seen the least, while many of us have watched Superman cartoons.
5) I'm a grown up; thus, I like grown up themes. And superhero stories are actually perfect for them, because crime fighters who put their lives on the line are indeed, capable and fit to battle with complex emotions and situations.


Let me guess, here's where you say I'm not a true fan, because a true fan wouldn't have these sorts of opinions.... *yawn*

Your antagonistic tone is duly noted

 

[Lily Adler]

Where is Gotham City?

 

[MaceB]

Your antagonistic tone is duly noted

How's that?