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They hired him after Batman brought Lau back to Gotham, long before they knew that he wouldn't actually kill Batman.
 
They hired him after Batman brought Lau back to Gotham, long before they knew that he wouldn't actually kill Batman.
Thank you that's what I thought but I wasn't sure even though I saw the movie 4 times:o.
 
why is there a -very- annoying poll with no options..?
 
1. Since Batman is now a wanted murder suspect, wouldn't that put Reese under more pressure to reveal his identity? He's already gone on TV and announced to the whole city that he knows who Batman is.

2. The mob hired The Joker to kill Batman. And it's made obvious that Maroni was in on The Joker's plot with Harvey and Rachel and the buildings filled with explosives, since it was Wuertz and Ramirez, Maroni's moles, who picked up Harvey and Rachel, and Maroni told Two-Face that it was Ramirez who got Rachel. My question is, if Maroni was paying The Joker to go after Batman, why would he even go along with this whole plot that had nothing to do with killing Batman? Obviously Maroni wanted Harvey dead too, but this whole elaborate scheme of The Joker's had nothing to do with what the mob had hired him for.

3. We can assume that The Joker had Lau lead him to the mob's money, and then got in touch with The Chechen and Maroni to meet him there, hence why he asks The Chechen "where's the Italian?". Can we also assume Maroni suspected The Joker was planning to off them there, which is why he was a no-show and instead told Gordon where the meeting was?

4. Is that Detective Stephens standing behind Gordon as he's smashing the Batsignal?
 
5. Two-Face tells Ramirez to call off the cops guarding Gordon's house, and then knocks her out without giving her a chance to call them off (?).
 
1. Who knows? Reese may have a part to play in the third

2. Yea but Jokers elaborate scheme would make life easier for the mob by taking Dent and Rachel out of the picture

3. Yea I reckon Maroni knew something was up. The Chechen seemed to respect the Joker, hell I would go as far to say he actually liked him. Untill of course he was fed to his pooches!! That's why I think Chechen showed up.

4. Yep, Stephens lives to fight another day!

5. He told her to pretend to Barbara that the cops outside her house "can't be trusted" and to leave as soon as possible.
 
Yep! I like Stephens, and that other honest cop. You know the one with the scar on his lip who gives Joker the phone. Anyone know what his name is?
 
Yea, I know Stephens survived. I wasn't sure if Joker killed him or not until the second time, when I noticed he was with Gordon watching Reese on TV (with a bandage on his neck, nice attention to detail that some movies don't have). I was glad to see Stephens lived. :yay:

5. He told her to pretend to Barbara that the cops outside her house "can't be trusted" and to leave as soon as possible.

Ramirez told Barbara she'd call them off for five minutes, which was when Barbara was supposed to leave.
 
Yea, I know Stephens survived. I wasn't sure if Joker killed him or not until the second time, when I noticed he was with Gordon watching Reese on TV (with a bandage on his neck, nice attention to detail that some movies don't have). I was glad to see Stephens lived.
Yes indeed. Stephens looked like a very honest man by his face alone. Glad that he made it. I think that he reminds me of some cop in the comics Special Crimes Unit. Or i might be wrong.
 
A question for my fellow psychologists on the Hype.

What is the significance of all the broken glass in the movie ?

From the magnificent first shot to the batpod breaking through glass doors, from Batman breaking the interrogation room mirror with Joker face (7 years of bad luck, just ask Rachel or Harvey:hehe:) to the Hong Kong fight scene etc... is there a deep symbolic meaning to broken glass or is it just because it's a staple of action films and it looks pretty on camera ?

And while we're at it, my psychologists friends and if you feel like it, explain to me also the dog motif that runs throughout the movie. Thank you.
 
A question for my fellow psychologists on the Hype.

What is the significance of all the broken glass in the movie ?

From the magnificent first shot to the batpod breaking through glass doors, from Batman breaking the interrogation room mirror with Joker face (7 years of bad luck, just ask Rachel or Harvey:hehe:) to the Hong Kong fight scene etc... is there a deep symbolic meaning to broken glass or is it just because it's a staple of action films and it looks pretty on camera ?

And while we're at it, my psychologists friends and if you feel like it, explain to me also the dog motif that runs throughout the movie. Thank you.
I think the plethora of broken glass is simply by virtue of it being an action movie. :oldrazz: But I was reading an interesting blog post about the choice of using so much glass in the production design:

Chaos in the film is simply Joker's attempt to remove some of the (already perhaps flimsy) partitions supporting an ordered edifice of civil morality. (Civil morality as in the ideological commitments to the sense of fairness that underly law, the courts, and the judiciary - also, the related concepts of what one should rationally desire and fear). Joker's desire not just to lay bare but to rip down these partitions - revealing the panic-inducing expanse of amorphous, unscripted moral interpolation - is seen realized in Gotham's inner and outer design. Nothing has proper walls: Dent's office, Bruce Wayne's bunker and penthouse -- all pillars and receding perspective lines, shelves and desks with only open, surface conspicuity. Even in Lau's Hong Kong architectural marvel, the walls and drawers are glass, revealing everything and waiting to be shattered.

http://vinylisheavy.blogspot.com/2008/07/we-burned-forrest-down-dark-knight-back.html

It's a very cool observation.

I've posted my thoughts about the dogs before, but....anyway. Dogs I suppose are a more animalistic version of human society. Dogs are usually pack animals, working together as a family unit to survive. But when the times really get hard, it becomes a "dog eat dog world." Joker basically says this without actually quoting the saying - "When the chips are down, these civilized people? They'll eat each other."

The Chechen's dogs also symbolized the fall of the underworld to the Joker, since they switch allegiances so quickly in that part of the film. But they've never operated completely with chaos, always under someone's orders. And they always attack poor Batman. :funny: First it was the under the Chechen, then the Joker, then finally back to the law with the GPD.
 
Yea that thing about the glass is cool, and the dogs yea it's a dog eat god world when it comes down to it.
 
5. Two-Face tells Ramirez to call off the cops guarding Gordon's house, and then knocks her out without giving her a chance to call them off (?).

I haven't seen the movie in months and don't remember this scene real well... so perhaps Ramirez already called them off before speaking to Mrs. Gordon, but used the future tense in their phone conversation anyway.

Maybe Two-Face knocked her out and called the cops himself. The cops might recognize Dent's voice and obey him.

Although this is unlikely, Two-Face might have realized he made a mistake by knocking Ramirez out and waited for her to revive so he could have her call the cops.

Any of these work for you? :yay:
 
Okay, I've got a question. You know that scene where Bruce uses sonar technology to recreate the fingerprint on the bullet? Does that technology exist or is it being worked on somewhere? I thought I read on this board that this kind of technology was in development, but I don't know if I'm imagining that or not.
 
I've posted my thoughts about the dogs before, but....anyway. Dogs I suppose are a more animalistic version of human society. Dogs are usually pack animals, working together as a family unit to survive. But when the times really get hard, it becomes a "dog eat dog world." Joker basically says this without actually quoting the saying - "When the chips are down, these civilized people? They'll eat each other."

The Chechen's dogs also symbolized the fall of the underworld to the Joker, since they switch allegiances so quickly in that part of the film. But they've never operated completely with chaos, always under someone's orders. And they always attack poor Batman. :funny: First it was the under the Chechen, then the Joker, then finally back to the law with the GPD.

Don't forget the idea that the 3 dogs guarding the Joker in the construction site mirror the 3 headed dog that guards the gates to Hades. :up:
 
Okay, I've got a question. You know that scene where Bruce uses sonar technology to recreate the fingerprint on the bullet? Does that technology exist or is it being worked on somewhere? I thought I read on this board that this kind of technology was in development, but I don't know if I'm imagining that or not.

I highly doubt that it is real. But anyway, even if it was real, it wouldn't work that way. The fingerprint would be on the casing, not the actual bullet.
 
Factual Error?

How exactly did the two front tires of the Tumbler combine to form the Bat-pod? Was there a hidden robotic arm within the Tumbler that enabled this to happen? Nolan said his bat-films were grounded in reality, and I want a realistic explanation as to how the "ejection system" of the Tumbler works in real life.
 
:facepalm

I have to admit I don't have an answer to this one because I always got up to refill my soda every time Bruce went over how the tumbler works with the audience. I do know that the tumbler was powered by love though, so that might have something to do with it. Because of Batman's love for justice he made the tumbler transform like a caterpillar into a beautiful bat pod butterfly.
 
I really hope we get more questions in bold and colored lettering, those always seem to be the best ones.

Or the most memorable ones.
 

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