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[EHTNAMTAB]

I'm starting to think the descrepency over "5 dead" is actually an homage to Blade Runner, and the missing replicant - we know it's a big influence on Nolan and at that point the audience doen't care how many Dent has killed, it's jsut that he has killed.

 

[scatterax]

Probably because the GPD is an incredibly slipshod and corrupt organization. Gordon likely showed up, told someone he was in charge of driving the escort, acted like he knew what he was doing, and nobody questioned him.



I don't think so. Batman seemed genuinely upset when Mrs. Gordon yelled at him and I really believe, though I can't prove, that it was Gordon's "death" that was the final straw for him. Here's how I see events playing out:

Gordon - He was hit by the Joker but the bulletproof vest prevented him from being killed. As he lay there he got an idea, and when the paramedics came he told them to lie and claim he'd been killed. Normally doctors wouldn't do such a thing, but if they think it could help catch a terrorist they might play along. He probably stays at the hospital overnight and when he hears of Dent's arrest he leaves to protect Dent and hopefully arrest the Joker.

Dent - I think his claim that he's Batman is also spur-of-the-moment, though it could be that he planned it out ahead of time and just hesitated before taking the blame. I don't think Dent has any grand scheme in mind; he probably just thinks Batman in too important to Gotham to lose and his pride won't let him give in to the Joker's demands.

Batman - Goes to the conference genuinely planning to give himself up, but after Harvey outs himself as Batman he gets the idea to capture the Joker when he inevitably goes after Dent.

sounds likey to me

 

[thedarks0ldier]

Steven's was the first person to see Gordon, I am sure he knew about it.

He seems like one of the good cops and I am sure he assisted Gordon in faking his death. Steven's probably took charge and most likely appointed Gordon to drive the SWAT car.

Other then Steven's and maybe a paramedic I don't think anyone else knew about Gordon's scheme.

I still get excited every time I see the caravan of cops and the Helicopter make that first left turn, right before they encounter the burning firetruck.

It makes you wonder exactly how decayed is Gotham that they can just put a burning firetruck in the middle blocked road and have nobody say ANYTHING about it.

 

[CaptainClown]

I was watching the interrogation scene and something occurred to me when Joker said "the good cop, bad cop routine." That the Joker could have already known about Batmans presence in the interrogation the whole time. Not that it would change anything about the scene, but just be a different way of looking at it. What were other peoples views on what happened there?

 

[Figs]

I was watching the interrogation scene and something occurred to me when Joker said "the good cop, bad cop routine." That the Joker could have already known about Batmans presence in the interrogation the whole time. Not that it would change anything about the scene, but just be a different way of looking at it. What were other peoples views on what happened there?

I don't think he had a clue whatsoever that Batman was in there with him.

I think it was at face value. In stories, movies and TV shows it's always been like that. The cop says something(and honestly it does involve getting a drink alot of the time lol)to give them a reason to leave and then another cop will come in and beat the **** out of the criminal.

Gordon wasn't getting any answers out of Joker and the Joker knew it. Gordon says the somewhat cliche line about needing a cup of coffee(believe me, watch enough crime films/shows or books and you'll see how famous/popular that saying really is) and the Joker knew something was up but I don't think he expected Batman to already be in there.

 

[BestGirl]

Steven's was the first person to see Gordon, I am sure he knew about it.

He seems like one of the good cops and I am sure he assisted Gordon in faking his death. Steven's probably took charge and most likely appointed Gordon to drive the SWAT car.

Other then Steven's and maybe a paramedic I don't think anyone else knew about Gordon's scheme.

I still get excited every time I see the caravan of cops and the Helicopter make that first left turn, right before they encounter the burning firetruck.

It makes you wonder exactly how decayed is Gotham that they can just put a burning firetruck in the middle blocked road and have nobody say ANYTHING about it.

That's a good idea. Maybe Gordon planned to block the shot he knew was coming for the Mayor and pretend to be killed by it. But then, why didn't he tell Batman and Dent? And how would he know he could trust Stephens? He clearly had no idea who was clean in his unit.

Maybe it wasn't planned, but Stephens followed him into the ambulance and Gordon let him in on the plan then, along with the paramedics.

 

[Ziggyman]

Is Bale the only Bruce to not wear a turtleneck?

 

[BestGirl]

Does anyone have any theories about this?

Here's a question: why did the police wait so long to evacuate Harvey from the hospital? Wouldn't a public figure be one of the first people removed if a building was in danger of exploding?

 

[alexdunn]

Is Bale the only Bruce to not wear a turtleneck?

I...I think so....

Hey, kinda off topic, but I was watching Batman Begins today and I wondered...why did the train cart blow up behind Batman after he says "I won't kill you"?

 

[JaD]

I...I think so....

Hey, kinda off topic, but I was watching Batman Begins today and I wondered...why did the train cart blow up behind Batman after he says "I won't kill you"?

Didn't he throw one of those little spike bomb thingy's towards the back? (Like when he was walking through the Arkham and blowing his way through the cells)

 

[Metropolis_Man]

Didn't he throw one of those little spike bomb thingy's towards the back? (Like when he was walking through the Arkham and blowing his way through the cells)

I think thats what it was. It was some sort of small explosive for sure, and I would assume it was the little spike mines he had.

 

[JaD]

I think thats what it was. It was some sort of small explosive for sure, and I would assume it was the little spike mines he had.

I remember that scene always stuck out to me too ('cause he was holding the two batarangs to Ras, and he throws one or both at the window, then something else to the back.) never bothered to asked until I remembered those small bombs and assumed it was one of those.

 

[alexdunn]

It looks like he waves his hand back like he's throwing something, but you can't really make anything out. It's probably one of those mines though.

 

[Anita18]

Steven's was the first person to see Gordon, I am sure he knew about it.

He seems like one of the good cops and I am sure he assisted Gordon in faking his death. Steven's probably took charge and most likely appointed Gordon to drive the SWAT car.

Other then Steven's and maybe a paramedic I don't think anyone else knew about Gordon's scheme.

I dunno if Stephens knew, because he was the one who told Barbara Gordon and he was also waiting for Batman beside the signal. I wouldn't trust any old cop to go and act all that, LOL.

But it's also confusing if Stephens couldn't tell if Gordon was actually alive.

Gordon wasn't getting any answers out of Joker and the Joker knew it. Gordon says the somewhat cliche line about needing a cup of coffee(believe me, watch enough crime films/shows or books and you'll see how famous/popular that saying really is) and the Joker knew something was up but I don't think he expected Batman to already be in there.

Yup, that's why Gordon replies, "Not exactly."

 

[BestGirl]

I dunno if Stephens knew, because he was the one who told Barbara Gordon and he was also waiting for Batman beside the signal. I wouldn't trust any old cop to go and act all that, LOL.

But it's also confusing if Stephens couldn't tell if Gordon was actually alive.

He may have believed that Gordon died on the way to the hospital.

 

[Anita18]

He may have believed that Gordon died on the way to the hospital.

That's true. Him looking devastated as he examines Gordon could be because he thinks Gordon is in bad shape.

But yeah, someone at the hospital definitely had to be in on it.

 

[nullified6]

I just finished watching TDK and I realized something, forgive me if I am late to catch on to this, but Batman taking the fall for Dent is "all part of the plan." Joker says that "everybody loses their minds" when something happens that is unexpected, so since Batman was already a vigilante and showed no remorse for letting innocents die by not unmasking himself (according to the citizens perspective), it wouldn't be a shock to people that Batman actually killed those people. Now taking all of that into account, do you think the Joker's plan was to turn Harvey into a villain, or was he thinking a couple of steps ahead of Batman and his ultimate goal was to get Batman to be the outcast, stripping Gotham of all of its hope, since Harvey is gone as well.

 

[aheadofthecurve]

anyone notice the bat flying across the street at the end of the prologue?

 

[Verdammt]

anyone notice the bat flying across the street at the end of the prologue?

This is a new one to me. I'll have to look out for it.

 

[Anita18]

This is a new one to me. I'll have to look out for it.

Bats aren't white.

It's a pigeon.

 

[aheadofthecurve]

the sun is hitting it... and it's flying like a bat.

 

[Verdammt]

Bats aren't white.

It's a pigeon.

Bat, pigeon. They both fly and get poop wherever they go.

 

[Anita18]

the sun is hitting it... and it's flying like a bat.

I've seen real bats fly, and real bats don't fly like that. They flutter around, and they pretty much only come out at dawn or dusk. It looks like they filmed that at 3 in the afternoon.

Bat, pigeon. They both fly and get poop wherever they go.

Bats squeak too.

 

[BestGirl]

Who else had to be in on Gordon's scheme? Would the coroner have to know? What about the mayor? He didn't seem too fazed to learn that Gordon wasn't dead. Maybe the mayor arranged to have Gordon lead the convoy.

Also, why wasn't Dent evacuated from the hospital first thing? It's odd that he was the last remaining patient in Gotham General.

 

[ross2287]

I still get excited every time I see the caravan of cops and the Helicopter make that first left turn, right before they encounter the burning firetruck.

It makes you wonder exactly how decayed is Gotham that they can just put a burning firetruck in the middle blocked road and have nobody say ANYTHING about it.

I just think it's such a perfect analogy to Gotham and Batman's war on crime. Things are so bad and hopes that there is a firetruck on fire.