The Death of the Game Manual

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Ubisoft recently announced they are getting rid of the print manuals included with games since their inception. I still have my old manuals mostly from Nintendo games still sitting around, which I usually read.....in the bathroom. :dry: Should this become a trend?
 
I don't mind it. The new manuals don't usually come with pretty art and whatnot anymore. Compared to the old school Nintendo game manuals did.
 
I don't mind it either. I haven't read a manual in many, many years.
 
I do enjoy a good manual, but I think it's a smart move. There's no need to waste paper on something no one cares about anymore.
 
hmmm it's not that big a deal for me . valve already kinda of beat them to this. and the fact that those manuals aren't as informative as they were back in the day. Or as good art wise ether and the fact the they put all that stuff you want to know are put into huge text book game guides at stores like EB's/ gamestop. makes sense this is happening. I will miss them though.

But if their not able to put content like they were able to back in the day then this was bound to happen.
 
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I do enjoy a good manual, but I think it's a smart move. There's no need to waste paper on something no one cares about anymore.

Same here. I used to love game manuals, but nowadays in modern game releases.....they kinda suck and serve no purpose. I don't even bother.
 
Most games first stage serves as a manual anyway. Splinter Cell's first mssion was everything a manual would tell you. Not that big of a deal, wish they'd bring back chapter guides for DVDs though, that did bug me.
 
This was brought up in the lounge.

The 360 cases are now thinner and have holes in them (making discs more susceptible to damage) and now UbiSoft is cutting out the manuals; all done under the guise of being "eco-friendly" (ie cost cutting). What's next? Ditching cases all together and going with really thin cases (like in some DVD collection sets) or even cardboard sleeves?
 
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PDF is a lot better I think, not that many games need them these days, they are streamlined to the point a smoking chimpanzee could figure them out.
 
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This was brought up in the lounge.

The 360 cases are now thinner and have holes in them (making discs more susceptible to damage) and now UbiSoft is cutting out the manuals; all done under the guise of being "eco-friendly" (ie cost cutting). What's next? Ditching cases all together and going with really thin cases (like in some DVD collection sets) or even cardboard sleeves?

I would love smaller cases. Especially with 360 games. I'm not sure why you're so against cardboard sleeves though. Not that I would want it to become standard or even common, but I've bought many PC games where the disks came in paper sleeves and it was never a big deal to me.
 
I would love smaller cases. Especially with 360 games.[/quotes
There's no reason for standard DVD/Blu-Ray cases to be phased out.

I'm not sure why you're so against cardboard sleeves though. Not that I would want it to become standard or even common, but I've bought many PC games where the disks came in paper sleeves and it was never a big deal to me.
I'm not paying $50-60 to get the same packaging as the kind AOL mails you for free. I'm buying the disc AND a secure place to put it. With PC games, those cardboard sleeves come in boxes about 2-3 times thick as a DVD case with other things (and PC games usually run $40, $20 cheaper than consoles). My PC games stay near my desktop. However, I bring my consoles and games to school and to friends' houses. They're much more prone to damage than my PC games. Plus, you can make a copy of a PC game or store the data on your hard drive. You always need the disc for console games.
 
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I'm sorry, but I like the manuals. I'd rather not have to figure out the more complicated games on my own, I'd rather it be explained to me, so I can get on with enjoying the game.The only way I would accept this is if they offered a full manual on the disc, and even then, I would be wary. I always liked being able to read the instructions while playing the game should I run into a problem.
 
The 360 cases are now thinner and have holes in them (making discs more susceptible to damage) and now UbiSoft is cutting out the manuals; all done under the guise of being "eco-friendly" (ie cost cutting). What's next? Ditching cases all together and going with really thin cases (like in some DVD collection sets) or even cardboard sleeves?

Then petition against that. This is something different and you're making a theoretical stretch that the two can be related. You're voicing for something you yourself flat out said you probably wouldn't even look at and only want it as some kind of bizarre validation that what your spending is worth more with something that's totally worthless to you

I'm sorry, but I like the manuals. I'd rather not have to figure out the more complicated games on my own, I'd rather it be explained to me, so I can get on with enjoying the game.The only way I would accept this is if they offered a full manual on the disc, and even then, I would be wary. I always liked being able to read the instructions while playing the game should I run into a problem.

A valid point, but when do you really need to do this? I think in the last ten years of gaming, I've probably found the need to do this, like, five times. Even then, if the game had explained it better, I wouldn't have even needed it then. Even if the tutorials don't improve, there's a variety of online FAQs that could explain as well, if not better, than the game manuals. About the only times I think it would be needed on a constant basis is the more complicated RTS titles, and even then an instruction guide that pops up in game should be enough.

Really, I think it's time we let go of the manual. Unless a company plans something special with it, they've become obsolete. Most people I talk to about it rarely ever look at them, much less use them, and have become nothing short of a total waste of paper. Seriously guys, you don't need manuals for your games anyway, I believe in you
 
Then petition against that. This is something different and you're making a theoretical stretch that the two can be related. You're voicing for something you yourself flat out said you probably wouldn't even look at and only want it as some kind of bizarre validation that what your spending is worth more with something that's totally worthless to you

You keep saying it's worthless to me since I probably wouldn't look at it (even though I sometimes do, depends on the game. Oblivion and Age of Mythology type games I read parts of the manual), but that doesn't mean I don't want it or can't want it. I never look at the back of game cases, does that make that worthless and warrant companies only having artwork insert on the front and spine? **** no!

I'm against this because I know it will escalate just as the cheaper/crappier cases have escalated to no manuals. I was against those cases, too.
 
You keep saying it's worthless to me since I probably wouldn't look at it (even though I sometimes do, depends on the game. Oblivion and Age of Mythology type games I read parts of the manual), but that doesn't mean I don't want it or can't want it. I never look at the back of game cases, does that make that worthless and warrant companies only having artwork insert on the front and spine? **** no!

I'm against this because I know it will escalate just as the cheaper/crappier cases have escalated to no manuals. I was against those cases, too.

Like I said, you're making theoretical stretches with those assumptions. And you're analogy is a strawman. The case is partially to hold your game, a marketing tool, and an indication that the game you are buying is, well, the game you're buying. The manual serves none of those purposes and is, for all intents and purposes, dead weight on average. You can want it, but you want it for all the wrong reasons, and the conservation of materials is simply more important than a feeling of validation your product is worth more with something you'll probably never use, and this theoretical landslide it will kill all cases if this happens.
 
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I don't mind it. I have played thousands of games and I can't remember ever reading a game manuel.
 
Like I said, you're making theoretical stretches with those assumptions.
I was already right on the cheaper cases leading to something more. I like my odds on no manuals leading to something else.

And you're analogy is a strawman. The case is partially to hold your game, a marketing tool, and an indication that the game you are buying is, well, the game you're buying. The manual serves none of those purposes and is, for all intents and purposes, dead weight on average.
Your argument is that because I don't look at it, it is worthless to me. I rarely buy games in stores. When I do, I know what I want, I don't need to look at the back of it. So it'd be worthless to me just like the manual. It's hardly a strawman since your whole position is based on me looking at it.

You can want it, but you want it for all the wrong reasons, and the conservation of materials is simply more important than a feeling of validation your product is worth more with something you'll probably never use, and this theoretical landslide it will kill all cases if this happens.
The reasons are irrelevant. If I want it, I should want it. And you keep ignoring that I do look at the manual for some games.



I don't want to get into this any more.

Yes, I don't look at every manual but I look at some of them. I'd rather put up a fight now over this than have to put up a fight later over thinner cases or some other "eco-friendly" nonsense they do to save a buck. This will escalate to something.
 
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I was already right on the cheaper cases leading to something more. I like my odds on no manuals leading to something else.

All theory, regardless. Plus, I doubt one really lead to another per say. This is part of the world we live in right now, and I'm pretty surprised they haven't caught on how useless they've become about half a decade ago

Your argument is that because I don't look at it, it is worthless to me. I rarely buy games in stores. When I do, I know what I want, I don't need to look at the back of it. So it'd be worthless to me just like the manual. It's hardly a strawman since your whole position is based on me looking at it.
Not just look at, but also use. Regardless of whether you look at back yourself, it still serves those purposes since the majority of people are still shopping in brick and mortar stores, so they do have some validation. Manuals do not do those things in any shape or form. Dressing your strawman up like a man doesn't make him a man.

The reasons are irrelevant. If I want it, I should want it. And you keep ignoring that I do look at the manual for some games.
Which is way I said use. Even if you flip through it once or twice while the game installs or something, I bet you rarely even read through out and just look at the pictures like everyone else. You're free to want it, but if you can't provide solid reasons why you want it then you stand shouting 'I want' in the wind. Which, like I said, material conservation is simply more important than anything you've put forward for why this is a bad move.

And I'm not 'ignoring' the fact that you said you look at some of them, but you yourself said it was a rarity:

No manuals is annoying. I rarely look at them but it's nice to pick up a case and actually feel there's something there. UbiSoft has been skimping on their manuals lately so them ditching them is no loss. I just hope other companies don't follow.

Not even using the material it provides for the game, but just looking at it.

Yes, I don't look at every manual but I look at some of them. I'd rather put up a fight over this than have to put up a fight over thinner cases or some other "eco-friendly" nonsense they do to save a buck. This will escalate to something.
So, fight something that's actually a good thing and doesn't really effect you in the hopes of stopping something that will be a bad idea? That's some rather loopy logic, in my opinion. You should be petitioning to make sure they don't do that instead of focusing on something that's useless saying that it's the beginning of the end.

And even if the 'eco-friendly nonsense' is all some kind of PC move, it at least conserves some material. Some material that was going for something that's been pretty much irrelevant for a good couple of years now.
 
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I think losing the manual kinda sucks but i can live with it, I do however want an optionon whether or not I have to buy that damn "Eco-friendly case". I do not want to spend $60 to get a game and half a case. I absolutely hate that. I also work at gamestop and I have to deal with people comming in all the time and telling me about how that case has broken there games and that we have to replace it which is not true. COD:MW2 is the biggest offender of this. SO yeah take the Manuals, give me back my case.
 
I think losing the manual kinda sucks but i can live with it, I do however want an optionon whether or not I have to buy that damn "Eco-friendly case". I do not want to spend $60 to get a game and half a case. I absolutely hate that. I also work at gamestop and I have to deal with people comming in all the time and telling me about how that case has broken there games and that we have to replace it which is not true. COD:MW2 is the biggest offender of this. SO yeah take the Manuals, give me back my case.

This is the kind of thing I've been saying about that argument. Thanks, Hush, I always know you got my back :cwink:

Well, you know, except when you don't :yay:
 
Question about game manuals: Why do they have a notes section? Who are these people writing notes in the back of manuals!
 
I think the theory is that people will make notes for stuff like puzzles for later playthroughs or just general little things you may need for bosses or something
 
I'm not 100% sure, but my theory is that the "notes section" is a remnant from the days before memory cards when the game gave you a password to load your progress.
 
I'm not 100% sure, but my theory is that the "notes section" is a remnant from the days before memory cards when the game gave you a password to load your progress.

Good theory actually
 
I don't think that's a good theory. I think that's the reason. That and codes.
 

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