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These are just some things I see going on with the current state of the economy:

-High (and gradually rising) oil prices
-Volatility/instability in the stock market
-The decline of the USD currency
-American companies taking their jobs and business overseas
-High (and steadily rising) tuition costs
-Rising costs on food and other consumer goods and services
-Nationwide mortgage crisis
-Massive national debt
-The massive costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

Do you pay attention to what's going on with the economy? Have you changed your spending habits as a result? Have you changed future plans, such as travel, or buying a vehicle or a home?
 
while you americans weep, us canadians cheer over OUR STRONG DOLLAR :cmad::up:
 
Mmm... my associates degree in economics is ROARING.
 
I am giving second thought to travel plans and that includes just hopping in the Jeep to go anywhere other than work.
 
These are just some things I see going on with the current state of the economy:

-High (and gradually rising) oil prices
-Volatility/instability in the stock market
-The decline of the USD currency
-American companies taking their jobs and business overseas
-High (and steadily rising) tuition costs
-Rising costs on food and other consumer goods and services
-Nationwide mortgage crisis
-Massive national debt
-The massive costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

Do you pay attention to what's going on with the economy? Have you changed your spending habits as a result? Have you changed future plans, such as travel, or buying a vehicle or a home?
Every one of these points could and will be fixed once the FairTax is in place.

1. Oil Prices: Federal Taxes, both embedded and Direct will be elliminated, reducing the Prices Spent on Gas by Billions a year.

2. Stock Market: Introducing the FairTax eliminates Captial Gains Taxes and Income Taxes that would leave every individual more disposible Income to invest, which would create new jobs and an increase stock Market.

3. Value of the Dollar: The Reason the Value of the Dollar is going down is because the Government has to print more money to cover the Cash and Curreny leaving our shores because of our punishing Tax Code, Corporations are moving vast sums of money, as are individuals, to offshore accounts, leaving Trillions out of the Economic Playing Field. What would happen if this $11 to $12 Trillion came back home, working in our economy, making new jobs?

4. Jobs moving overseas: Again, our Current Tax code punishes corporations that has the jobs in the First Place. Eliminate the Corporate Tax Codes, and you will see more jobs moving here from Foreign Shores as this country would be a Tax Haven for Business. Imagine a world where you have more jobs than people able to work them! Under the FairTax that is possible as this country would be the only country on the planet with ZERO Corporate Tax Code.

5. Tution: College Education, and really ALL education is untaxed under the FairTax, as it is considered an investment for your future. The Higher your level of Education, the more money you earn, the more money you spend, the more you contribute to the Economy and General Revenue of our Country. So, Education is TAX FREE!

6. Food Cost: Food only Costs more because of the Tax Code and that makes for a Weaker Dollar. With the FairTax, you have more Dollars because of no Income Tax and Payroll Tax. And you receive a Prebate, that would pay you back for ALL the Tax Liability up to the Poverty Level. So, you effectively UNTAX the Poor. Can you imagine a more Progressive Tax System than one where you do not Tax People at all up to the Poverty line?

7. Mortages: Again, Prebate+No Embedded Tax on Homes+No Income Tax+More Disposbile Income=Better Housing Market with lower Interest Rates due to Higher Investing.

8. Nationa Debt: Again, Higher Economy equals more Revenue for the Government, plus more visibility in the Tax code, you know were each and every penny of your taxes are going, you have a louder voice to the Government.

9. Wars (And every other Government Program you don't agree with): You vote with your Dollar, unlike in today's Tax Code, you have a louder Voice. In our Current tax code, your Taxes are taken from you before you ever see it (Income Taxes) or it is hidden in every purchase (Embedded Corporate Taxes). You never know the True Cost of your Tax Liability. Under the FairTax, you are not taxed until Purchases AFTER the Poverty level (Around $10,100 a year). So, if you don't agree with something the Government is doing, vote with your dollars. Don't buy anything, Protest with your money. If everyone does it, and they can't afford the war, or program, so on and so forth, and you call them and tell them that you won't spend anymore money until after they Stop doing what ever you don't agree with. You force their hand. You make them stop. Under our Current Tax Code, you have no choice, no extra voice. Under the FairTax you have more Power with your Government.

These are just a few Reasons I support the FairTax, if you would like to know more, visit my thread. The Link is in my Signature. Ask any question you may have. I'll answer it, or if I don't know it, I'll find out for you.

Thanks.
 
SupermanBeyond, thanks for posting this. I will look into this tomorrow, while I'm supposed to be working.
 
Like my roomate says, America's going the way of the Soviet Union, that is, economically.
 
Like my roomate says, America's going the way of the Soviet Union, that is, economically.

:huh:

The US is the biggest preacher of neo-liberal economic policy on the planet (though they don't always practice what the preach). I think you got a long way yet to communism mate.
 
I'm just saving as much as I can while waiting it out. The economy always fluctuates. Being prepared for the bad times is important. Invest wisely.
 
These are just some things I see going on with the current state of the economy:

-High (and gradually rising) oil prices
-Volatility/instability in the stock market
-The decline of the USD currency
-American companies taking their jobs and business overseas
-High (and steadily rising) tuition costs
-Rising costs on food and other consumer goods and services
-Nationwide mortgage crisis
-Massive national debt
-The massive costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

Do you pay attention to what's going on with the economy? Have you changed your spending habits as a result? Have you changed future plans, such as travel, or buying a vehicle or a home?

No, i don't pay attention to any of these things.These things don't affect me in any way
 
My reliable source tells me its the end of the world.
 
-High (and gradually rising) oil prices

Oil prices have been gradually rising for years. They will continue to do so until there is no demand for oil.

-Volatility/instability in the stock market

Isn't the market pretty much always unstable on some level? It's dependent on so many factors.

-The decline of the USD currency

Yes, but do to what?

-American companies taking their jobs and business overseas

Again, this has been happening for years.

-High (and steadily rising) tuition costs

And why are these costs rising?

-Rising costs on food and other consumer goods and services

And why are these costs rising?

-Nationwide mortgage crisis

A lot of people bought homes they couldn't afford. That does kinda suck.

-Massive national debt

Since when is this a new thing?

-The massive costs of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan

Troubling. Sort of like the massive costs of all the other wars.

The economy isn't great, but a lot of it is just trends continuing that have existed or appeared for years. I don't see anything really out of the ordinary just yet. I'm not saying we won't, but...
 
The purpose of this thread is not to sound alarms. I'm saying that I've noticed that I'm not the only one who's cutting back on my spending, and changed various habits or approaches to things, based on the current state of things. For example, I buy less food than I used to, and look harder for discounts. I'm less inclined to travel, and I'm just tighter with my money than usual. This is what I'm talking about.
 
The purpose of this thread is not to sound alarms. I'm saying that I've noticed that I'm not the only one who's cutting back on my spending, and changed various habits or approaches to things, based on the current state of things. For example, I buy less food than I used to, and look harder for discounts. I'm less inclined to travel, and I'm just tighter with my money than usual. This is what I'm talking about.
Have you had a chance to read the FairTax Thread?
 
Yes, that thread is too long for me. I actually read a few paragraphs into your first post, and stopped at:


1. Paycheck:

You receive 100% of your paycheck. No more Income taxes to be taken out of it. You actually see what your real pay is. I can’t stress this enough.

That's pretty much all I need to know. Let's make this thing happen.
 
Maybe if people actually paid their mortgage and credit card bills instead of buying new SUV's and going on vacations, personal debt wouldnt be an issue in this country...
 
^ You really think people out there decided to go on vactions or buy SUV's when they were facing forclosure?
I just want to make this point clear again since The Guard mentioned it as well "A lot of people bought homes they couldn't afford" This is true,Many people bought homes and the intrest rates went up and they couldnt keep up the payments.But lets not forget a big part of this crunch stems from these second mortgage lenders who were scamming.A lot of these companies like Ameriquest were lying on the applications saying that the home owner made more money than they really did,that way the loan would go through the home owner couldnt pay, and they could swoop in and forclose and turn a buck.
 
^ You really think people out there decided to go on vactions or buy SUV's when they were facing forclosure?
I just want to make this point clear again since The Guard mentioned it as well "A lot of people bought homes they couldn't afford" This is true,Many people bought homes and the intrest rates went up and they couldnt keep up the payments.But lets not forget a big part of this crunch stems from these second mortgage lenders who were scamming.A lot of these companies like Ameriquest were lying on the applications saying that the home owner made more money than they really did,that way the loan would go through the home owner couldnt pay, and they could swoop in and forclose and turn a buck.

No one forced these people to take out second mortgages. I wouldn't take out a second mortgage (or a first one) without making absolutely sure I could pay it off--short of a catastropic event. And then, I would have a plan for dealing with that.

And BlackLantern has a point. There are a lot of people out there who don't think long-term in their financial planning . . . or really even short-term. A lot of people think nothing of going into debt to buy something that they want (when they want it) and not what they need. And, they don't really think about the true cost that that attitude (and the accompanying interest expense) plays in their inability to "get ahead."
 
No one forced these people to take out second mortgages. I wouldn't take out a second mortgage (or a first one) without making absolutely sure I could pay it off--short of a catastropic event. And then, I would have a plan for dealing with that.

And BlackLantern has a point. There are a lot of people out there who don't think long-term in their financial planning . . . or really even short-term. A lot of people think nothing of going into debt to buy something that they want (when they want it) and not what they need. And, they don't really think about the true cost that that attitude (and the accompanying interest expense) plays in their inability to "get ahead."


That really is the main problem. The consumer's inability to properly manage their own finances. The bank can, and often will, approve you for more than you can afford, but that doesn't mean that you should finance that whole amount. People get themselves into trouble through ignorance or apathy, and then blame the banks or the economy when they could've avoided the problem entirely through a degree of prior planning.
 
That really is the main problem. The consumer's inability to properly manage their own finances. The bank can, and often will, approve you for more than you can afford, but that doesn't mean that you should finance that whole amount. People get themselves into trouble through ignorance or apathy, and then blame the banks or the economy when they could've avoided the problem entirely through a degree of prior planning.


Thats part of it ,but you cant put all the blame on the borrowers ,its as much the lenders fault.Why do you think Bears Stearns is going under?They borrowed all that money they gave out as home loans.If youre honestly going to say "they thought all those people were going to honor their loans and pay the banks back promptly" thats just dillussional.Default is a large piece of the loan process,you cant say they didnt anticipate it.
 
You really think people out there decided to go on vactions or buy SUV's when they were facing forclosure?

Yes.

They also decided to purchase big screen TVs and boats and a number of other things.

And while I understand that people were getting scammed in some instances, you generally can't be involved in a scam without buying into it yourself beforehand. People should be responsible enough to know how much home they can afford on their income. And many people were, and thought they were getting a great deal, and didn't think it through, and now they're suffering for it. Granted, you really need to assess these things on a case by case basis, but in general, the issues we face now are stemming from irresponsible personal financial decisions.
 

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