The Exodus from New York and California?

[Malice]

After all the things I have been hearing from California and New York...I fear a eastern and western wasteland coming to pass.

I need others with more concrete proof to weigh-in here...

But from what I am hearing in newcasts and reading online, those states are in deep trouble. So they raise taxes...on EVERYTHING.

What does this accomplish?
Causes those with money, to leave...those with money that leave...usually have businesses...and those businesses leave to...leaving people with no job.
The cycle gets worse and worse..until all that is left are those with no money to be able to leave!

Do they realize this?..... Obviously not...but I cant understand how this is occurring...I really cant

Anyone have anything else on New York and California?

 

[moraldeficiency]

I wish to put an embargo now on *****y new yorkers coming to florida to complain about how much better it was in new york. No mas, *****es, go somewhere else.

 

[NHawk19]

I've actually been seeing quite a number of articles on that very thing. Like this one

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/us_world/NATLCalifornias-Exodus.html
Makes you wonder if the bleeding heart politicians will finally take notice.

 

[StorminNorman]

That's what happens with State Government go Tax Crazy.

SuBe has a solution for this...

 

[Malice]

The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 people during that period — more than any other state, according to census estimates. That is about equal to the population of Syracuse, N.Y.

The state with the next-highest net loss through migration between states was New York, which lost just over 126,000 residents.

 

[NHawk19]

^ and according to the article they are looking at a potential loss of a seat in the House too.

The thing that's really scary is the budget shortfalls continue even though there was and increase population due to illegal immigration, which means more people with their hand out while less people are giving. If the democrats at the fed level don't start to take notice this will happen nationally.

 

[danielisthor]

I wish to put an embargo now on *****y new yorkers coming to florida to complain about how much better it was in new york. No mas, *****es, go somewhere else.

We used to have that problem in middle and high school (born and raised in S. Florida). NY/NJ punks would enroll and tell us how great they were and how superior NY/NJ was and how they're so tuff because they were from NY/NJ. Then we kicked the crap out of them and everything was fine.

 

[BlackLantern]

here in CT....its weird, we're getting people moving here from NYC and people that have lived here are moving south (South Carolina, Tennessee) and west (Colorado seems to be popular these days)

 

[Malice]

Texas is 1st or 2nd in people moving into the state....
I am afraid we will inherit these issues.

 

[SuBe]

That's what happens with State Government go Tax Crazy.

SuBe has a solution for this...

I DO!

Here is an article. Michagan is losing 1 Family every 12 minutes.

http://www.detnews.com/article/2009...ht-year+population+exodus+staggers+state?fark

Liberal Policies do not work.

 

[StorminNorman]

But....they are more ethical!

 

[BlackLantern]

I DO!

Here is an article. Michagan is losing 1 Family every 12 minutes.

http://www.detnews.com/article/2009...ht-year+population+exodus+staggers+state?fark

Liberal Policies do not work.

Damn....I didn't know it was going on like that in Michigan

 

[Franklin Richards]

Less traffic.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I know the taxes in Chicago are astronomical and there is a referendum here in the burbs to raise taxes. It wouldnt surprise me if people started leaving Illinois for Iowa or Indiana. Wisconsin's tax rate is pretty bad, too.

 

[Malice]

Don't we see a pattern between taxes and negative middle class or higher mr president/congressman/mayor/governor...doesn't take a Harvard graduate to understand that

 

[Kelly]

The North is losing people at a record number, enough to change electoral numbers......

I haven't seen that kind of change in Western states...

 

[VampElvis]

Can't say I blame 'em. The South is awesome!t:

 

[BlackLantern]

Can't say I blame 'em. The South is awesome!t:

No, just cheaper....awesome costs money

 

[VampElvis]

No, that's a fallacy. True awesome can be achieved sans exuberant amounts of cash and used car lots that only sell Bentley's.

 

[Malice]

No, just cheaper....awesome costs money

nicely put

 

[hippie_hunter]

I live in New York and I find it incredibly sad that David Patterson is downright clueless on why people are leaving New York.

 

[Malice]

I live in New York and I find it incredibly sad that David Patterson is downright clueless on why people are leaving New York.

Hippie...what is the income taxes and sales taxes there?

 

[SuBe]

I live in New York and I find it incredibly sad that David Patterson is downright clueless on why people are leaving New York.

I heard on Rush Limbaugh yesterday that because of all the high taxes, Rush is moving out of NY. I guess he has a place there and in West Palm Beach. David Paterson said that if he knew that raiseing taxes would have made Rush leave NY, he would have done it along time ago. I guess David Patterson doesn't care all of the millions of dollars that Rush as paid into the State Revenue there. And, doesn't care that raising taxes makes people move out of state.

 

[Bill]

Hippie...what is the income taxes and sales taxes there?

We live near Syracuse, and it's 8.0% generally and 4.0% for apparel. Each county has a different sales tax. This city has put its chances for expansion and growth on an ambitious Mall project called "DestiNY" which has yet to be fully realized, and the downtown area is rough looking and its pretty violent on the West side. We visited some friends in Columbus, Ohio, a city roughly the size of Syracuse and its much more "metropolitan," cleaner and more upscale looking. They don't seem to know where to put money where it will work the most or how to shrink government to save it. This city is located in the middle of the state with two major highways dividing it, two large lakes around it(one of which once had the distinction of being the most polluted in the world) and the only thing it can brag about is how much snow they get. It's pathetic.

We do hear about the people who moved away and say how much better it is here. Well, then why the **** did you move away? I personally can't stand the winters here, and the idiotic local politicians who are slowly grinding out any chance of the area being successful. Patterson is discussing taxing everything from haircuts to sugary drinks, but nothing to streamline Albany. If I wasn't stuck here with a decent job, I'd sure move.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Hippie...what is the income taxes and sales taxes there?

The sales tax in New York is 4% plus local sales taxes that can bring it up to 7 or even close to 9% in some areas.

The income tax rate ranges from from 4% to 6.85%.

However, the state also imposes a lot of fees for licenses and permits and fines for punishments that are constantly increasing and taxes on all sorts of things. New York has the highest cigarette taxes, the second highest tax burden (only .1% less than New Jersey), home to some of the highest property taxes in the country (New Jersey surpasses the state overall), the highest taxes on gasoline (41.3 cents/gallon), the second worst business tax climate, etc. And David Patterson is proposing to raise taxes on everything including entertainment, haircuts, obese taxes non-diet sodas, bottled water, digital downloads, and is attempting to tax Native American reservations.

Overall the only state that surpasses New York in taxation is New Jersey. And take a look, people are leaving that hellhole as well.