Infinity War The Fantastic Four in Infinity War?

[kaijunexus]

The new Fantastic Four film has been a colossal critical and financial failure for Fox. Thought it's entirely likely that they will still hold onto the rights to try for another reboot in several years or even just for spite, there's a fair chance that they would rather unload the now tainted property from their shoulders.

Assuming Fox either sells the rights or strikes a deal that allows the Fantastic Four property rights to revert back to Marvel, I believe that the First Family of Marvel could be easily introduced in the Infinity War movies.

The two films should both have long run-times and though they'll include numerous characters, most will have already been introduced and not need time spent on origins.

So why not spend some time bringing Marvel's vision of the Fantastic Four into the MCU?

Their origin could even be tied to the events of the films!

Perhaps there's a need for quick interplanetary space travel (a likely scenario in a storyline as cosmic-based as Infinity War). One of the characters knows a scientific group who is working on such a project, headed by Dr. Reed Richards.

Richards, Sue, Ben, and Johnny embark on said mission immediately with little time for testing (as this mission is critical) and end up getting pelted with cosmic rays, downing the craft. Maybe this happens in IW Part 1 and we don't know what happened to them until Part 2?

The possibilities are endless...

What do you think about introducing the Fantastic Four in the Infinity War films?

 

[bubbadoom]

Like Marvel is doing with Spider-Man, if the FF turn up in something like Infinity War just skip the origin and get on with it...

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Nah I think I'm good

 

[ernesth100]

Tbh, the new movie was okay at certain parts(overall pretty bad). But unless it's something like at TV show or Netflix series. The movie really soured, my taste for seeing the F4 on screen again anytime soon. I could easily see them in Phase 4 though.

 

[fixxxer]

What do you think about introducing the Fantastic Four in the Infinity War films?

Bring the FF into the MCU? Absolutely! I'd like nothing better!

But to immediately incorporate them into IW1 and/or 2? Nope, I think that's a bad idea, and would result in a rush job. I'd much rather let the FF breathe for a while, and make them the centerpiece franchise of Phase 4, which would contain an epic FF solo film, and culminate in Avengers: Galactus Hungers or Avengers: Planet Doom or something to that effect.

 

[Wildcard]

I'll just interject and save some time by saying this isn't happening at all on any level whatsoever. If Marvel even attempted it, it would be an almost endless amount of work to be done legally, and they'd end up spending more money.

Marvel doesn't really care about Fantastic Four right now. I can tell you they're happy Fox's film failed, and that's where it ends. They're not going to make any extra attempts at grabbing FF right now.

It'll happen eventually, it just won't be within this MCCU franchise.

 

[Aztec]

As I've said before the real value for Marvel in the FF IP are the villains: Galactus, Dr. Doom, Kang, Annihilus, Skrulls; and the Silver Surfer.

It would be epic to have some of them in IW or in Phase 4 and beyond.

If the MCU has a weakness its villains (and personally I think the so called "villain problem" is extremely blown out of proportion but I digress...) so this is a natural fit. It will happen, it's just a matter of when.

 

[Wildcard]

It may be to an extent but not entirely. Iron Monger, Whiplash, Malekith & a couple others were seriously underdeveloped despite having fantastic actors in the role. However, I definitely agree that adding those aforementioned villains would only strengthen the resolve of the MCCU.

Especially with Galactus and Doom...there is so much that could be done with them. I doubt if any of these characters make it into IW but I could see Marvel trying to get them into the later installments.

Now that I think about it, it'd actually be perfect timing...with the huge slate of superhero films on the way everyone gets a chance to completely forget about FF for a while. Then, when the whole Thanos story has come full circle, enough time will have elapsed for them to successfully integrate the FF into the MCCU and thus allow us to see more cosmic badasses.

However, that's assuming all of the legal leg work could be done by then.

 

[Tymminator]

I would like it, and IMO I actually think its possible.

 

[Spiderine]

I don't think the FF will show up until after IW. Maybe in phase 4 once the rights issue is resolved. They will open up new stories for the MCU to carry on with its vast characters. If anybody other than Avenger heroes is playing a role in IW it will be the GOTG.

 

[Mike5575]

Marvel just has too much on their plate. Why rush things and introduce a franchise in the MCU that has only ever been known as a failure?

 

[Slushy]

It should a major point in Part 1 where The Avengers are stumped at their HQ table about Thanos or something then Spider-Man tells them "I know somebody that can help" then BAM! Segway to the Baxter building with a quick 5 minute introduction with the two teams meeting.

In a perfect world, Gruffudd, Alba, and Chiklis would reprise their roles since that's who audiences are familiar with. Storm would have be re-cast of course.

^_^

 

[Rorschach2012]

I'll just interject and save some time by saying this isn't happening at all on any level whatsoever. If Marvel even attempted it, it would be an almost endless amount of work to be done legally, and they'd end up spending more money.

Marvel doesn't really care about Fantastic Four right now. I can tell you they're happy Fox's film failed, and that's where it ends. They're not going to make any extra attempts at grabbing FF right now.

It'll happen eventually, it just won't be within this MCCU franchise.

You're seriously so wrong just look at how quickly they incorporated Spidey into Civil War

It can and should be done

Dr Doom is crucial

 

[ernesth100]

He is...just not in this phase. In this phase what matters is Thanos and Thanos alone. Bring the FF in Phase 4. They have two teams with Gaurdians and Avengers(3 if you count the Defenders) to deal with at the moment. Let them finish up there then bring in the next teams. Hell F4 might not be made for even longer than after IW thanks to Inhumans. Yet another hero team.

So while they can include them in IW and I'd have no problem if they did. This is one of those cases where you can legitimately say "sorry, not happening".

 

[harryoscop]

He is...just not in this phase. In this phase what matters is Thanos and Thanos alone. Bring the FF in Phase 4. They have two teams with Gaurdians and Avengers(3 if you count the Defenders) to deal with at the moment. Let them finish up there then bring in the next teams. Hell F4 might not be made for even longer than after IW thanks to Inhumans. Yet another hero team.

So while they can include them in IW and I'd have no problem if they did. This is one of those cases where you can legitimately say "sorry, not happening".

Actually Dr. Doom played a pretty big part in the Infinity Gauntlet comic.

 

[ernesth100]

This isn't the comic, it's an adaption.

 

[harryoscop]

This isn't the comic, it's an adaption.

So? that doesn't mean Doom can't have a role in the film. Infinity War is likely the battle for earth, so just like the comic storyline, this is EVERYONE's fight not just the heroes. This is where Doom comes in, and he should betray the Avengers by trying to steal the Gauntlet from Thanos (awesome moment from the comic)

 

[Mike5575]

You're seriously so wrong just look at how quickly they incorporated Spidey into Civil War

It can and should be done

Dr Doom is crucial

That's because Marvel makes over $1 billion a year on Spider-Man merchandise and he is far more popular than Doom.

Why is Doom so crucial? What exactly did he do other than try to grab the gauntlet from Thanos? He's replaceable. If there's going to be a villain that the Avengers don't trust, but have to work with, it's going to be Loki.

Bottom line: This isn't the comics.

 

[Mike5575]

So? that doesn't mean Doom can't have a role in the film. Infinity War is likely the battle for earth, so just like the comic storyline, this is EVERYONE's fight not just the heroes. This is where Doom comes in, and he should betray the Avengers by trying to steal the Gauntlet from Thanos (awesome moment from the comic)

Loki will likely be the Doctor Doom character for the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

 

[harryoscop]

Loki will likely be the Doctor Doom character for the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Assuming Marvel doesn't already have the rights to Doom.

 

[4thWallBreaker]

FF is good and all, but I'd love Silver Surfer and Galactus to have me some Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol. 3 - Annihilation.

Also, Namor the Submariner. Like Black Panther, a little known character, but a major chess piece in the Marvel universe.

FF can show up post Infinity War. That'd be fine. Same with Doom, I guess. I just...I've yet to see Doom done well. I've seen Human Torch done pretty well as a PG-perv and that was kind of fun about the Tim Story movies, but they lacked that adventure. And that's what FF is about. Yes, they're supeheroes, but they are an adventuring family 1st, and superheroically inclined second. Lot of writers in the comics missed the original take. But interpretations are fine... Unless they're the latest film. I'm not even sure I'd watch it for free.

But yea, anyways, Marvel's First Family are actually pretty cool in their own right. They just have a certain touch that's hard for people to swallow. I think Tim Story was close, but no cigar. We needed more Reed sciencing, we needed more Sue as moral compass, and Ben as loveable yet not someone to piss off. Haven't seen the new film, but Jordan, like Chris Evans, seemed to grasp Johnny in some fashion as a non-serious personality that digs on his powers once he stops freaking out the first time he's on fire. Heh.

I know it can be done right. Light touch, but heavy on characterization. The problem with Tim Story's, and definitely telling from just the trailers in the new FF, is that they wrote them to be their powers only. And that's boring to do with any superhero/villain. Make them more then their powers. I mean, here's an example: Why is Spider-Man so beloved? 'Cause he sticks to walls and swings around and junk? No, it's because of Peter Parker. So I'd love them to do FF right. And I agree that at this point, there isn't a need for origins ever again. (Just during credits, show them on a ship being bombarded by rays. Maybe cosmic rays brought about by the Infinity Gauntlet's power fluctuating through the universe?) Then jump right into the goodness. Mole Man, Dragon Man, Molecule Man, The U-Foes, and a proper Dr. Doom.

 

[Mike5575]

Assuming Marvel doesn't already have the rights to Doom.

Which is wishful thinking at best for fanboys.

With The core Avengers, New Avengers, Avengers' sidekicks, Thanos, Magus, Loki, aliens such as Kree and Chitauri, and GOTG, there will already be a metric **** ton of characters in the movie. The thing with Dr. Doom in Infinity War will be the same thing with Spider-Man in Civil War. Nobody knows who he is. You can't just have Doom show up in the movie. It wouldn't make much sense. Screen time would be required to set him up. There's no reason why Marvel should sacrifice screen time for other more important characters just because fans want to see Doom.

 

[Zarex]

Which is wishful thinking at best for fanboys. .

Disney - DISNEY!! - didnt hand over additional IP rights to a competitor, strengthening said competitor's hold over Disney owned characters in exchange for a minority stake in "Legion" and "Hellfire". Fanboys who have been paying attention know better.

 

[harryoscop]

Which is wishful thinking at best for fanboys.

With The core Avengers, New Avengers, Avengers' sidekicks, Thanos, Magus, Loki, aliens such as Kree and Chitauri, and GOTG, there will already be a metric **** ton of characters in the movie. The thing with Dr. Doom in Infinity War will be the same thing with Spider-Man in Civil War. Nobody knows who he is. You can't just have Doom show up in the movie. It wouldn't make much sense. Screen time would be required to set him up.

If Spidey can be introduced into the MCU so soon with Civil War, then there's no reason why Doom can't be introduced in Infinity War. Hell, he could be intro'd in Black Panther's solo film as a post credits scene to set him up for IW since you claim Doom "can't just show up". (which already disproven- hello Spidey!) And are you forgetting that Infinity War is a two parter? there's definitely enough space for Doom to appear in pt 2.

There's no reason why Marvel should sacrifice screen time for other more important characters just because fans want to see Doom.

Yes there is. He's one of Marvel's greatest villains, and Infinity War as big as it is the comics and Doom already having a role, plus setting him up for future films, it'd be a huge missed opportunity if he's not included.

 

[Mike5575]

If Spidey can be introduced into the MCU so soon with Civil War, then there's no reason why Doom can't be introduced in Infinity War. Hell, he could be intro'd in Black Panther's solo film as a post credits scene to set him up for IW since you claim Doom "can't just show up". (which already disproven- hello Spidey!) And are you forgetting that Infinity War is a two parter? there's definitely enough space for Doom to appear in pt 2.

Reasons why Doom won't show up:

1. Marvel doesn't have the rights
2. The relationship between Marvel and Sony is much more amicable than the one with Fox.
3. Marvel starts filming for both movies next year.
4. Doctor Doom doesn't do anything significant in
the Infinity Gauntlet Storyline. Cap facing down Thanos is much more iconic than Doom trying to snatch the gauntlet.
5. This isn't the comics
6. Dr. Doom is new, so rushing him into the movie would be forced.
7. Marvel uses post-credit scenes to set up future movies, not to introduce some random villain the general audience is largely unfamiliar with. The Black Panther end credit scene would most likely be about Infinity War or Ant-Man and Wasp.
8. Marvel already has a Dr. Doom type character that can fit Doom's rather minor role. His name is Loki.
9. Spider-Man makes money for Marvel. Doom does not.(This is probably the best reason why.)
10. Most fans would rather want the tv characters, like Defenders or Daisy from Agents of Shield to show up.

Yes there is. He's one of Marvel's greatest villains, and Infinity War as big as it is the comics and Doom already having a role, plus setting him up for future films, it'd be a huge missed opportunity if he's not included.

No he isn't. This isn't the comics. This isn't the comics. Even if it were, tell me what Doom does in the Infinity Gauntlet storyline that's so vital he shows up?