The Flash 5x19 "Snow Pack"

Who is Flash holding in the thumbnail? It didn't appear in the preview.

 

Carla, Caitlin's mom

 

I would really like it if Nora got corrupted and turned evil. That being Thawnes final F-you to Barry would be a good story.

 

Of course it's on - but CW has no sound... Shame, cause it looked like a couple of good arguments there...

 

Sheesh. Barry and Iris both drew their knives in that argument.

 

It's Barry and Iris' first fight as a married couple. Barry has to lead Team Flash as he was meant to.

 

So, with everything else in this episode being about family dynamics, Nora is Eobard's mom or grandmother or something like that? Someone he remembers fondly and with respect from a longer time earlier in his life, at least, since young Nora only began visiting him in prison a few hours ago. I'm getting the sense that this is Back to the Future, and Eobard is Marty trying to make his family history turn out the way it needs to happen for him.

 

Sherloque still getting that disrespect.

Nora still annoying as hell. They really should’ve made her younger. Even younger than Wally. Maybe even Grace’s age just to make it easier to buy her foolishness.

Iris being cold-blooded with saying she didn’t care about what Eobard did.

Eobard being the an West-Allen shipper.

Eobard cared about Cisco too... we saw how that worked out for him.

 

This ep made me feel like the season is all over the place. They should have killed off the man Cicada, the niece being future Cicada is a flat story the character is so bland. Thawne being around but possibly good, and now Nora maybe evil due to corrupt speed force. The last ep will likely be Barry having to talk her down to becoming her old self. The Cicada story is background and now they throw in some random gadget.

 

I'm feeling disconnected from this thing.

 

Not quite sensing this negative speed force vibe being the reason (and only reason) Barry can't detect other Speedsters travelling through time. Zoom manipulated the speedforce, as did Savitar, and they were just using the speedforce - not the Negative speed force, and Barry couldn't detect them for ****.

It's interesting that Nora now has Thawne's (metaphorical) eyes, though it seems a bit daft to imply that the negative speed force suddenly makes someone bad or evil, cause Zoom and Savitar were evil with the normal speedforce, as was Godspeed.

 

I think the negative speed force is the writers retconning how others have traveled around Barry undetected for all these seasons. This episode and season as a whole has been wasted outside of a few moments here and there. The nora story is ok I guess but I fast forwarded through all the icicle stuff.

I also liked at the end of the episode they brought cicada back to remind you who the main villain is I guess this season.

If someone asked me what the main story was this season on the flash I would say I have no idea

 

So I was expecting a continuation of the Nora story, but it got side-tracked by a Frost story. Not that I mind Caitlin getting an episode, I just wish it had been its own episode a little earlier in the season. I was really hyped up to see a 'part 2' from last week's show. More later...

For the Frost part, sadly it wasn't done too well. Caitlin's father just suddenly being there at the end was confusing at first without any foreshadowing that Tom was even trying to fight his way free. Or that he was even able to. I was expecting Nora to show up and starts bashing him around without any regard to Cailtin wanting her to stop. And when She'cada showed up I was thinking at first that it was Nora attacking her father for some reason. But hey, the main villain finally showed up...

And yes, of course the green vial turns white when no one is looking. Why wasn't it an immediate change?

Also, I thought we already understood that Caitlin Frost is not a META!! That is, after all, why Cicada's dagger has no effect on her. It would also mean that the sirrum made from her blood is not based on anything metahuman and thus her mother was not being turned into a meta, and the test Caitlin was using is worthless if it was meant to discover metahuman properties in a person who is not metahuman! Ugh!

Don't the writers have a Series Bible that they refer to just to make sure that don't make these mistakes..?

Writer 1 - 'No, you can't use that word there. According to the Bible, we've already established that Caitlin Frost is not a metahuman.'

Writer 2 'Are you sure...?'

Writer 1 (holding up the Tome and pointing to a page.) 'Yea, says so right here.'

Writer 2 - 'Dammit, then I got nothing!' (Throws down his teeth-gnawed pencil and storms out...)

Oh well...

Since there was very little of the story I was looking to see this episode, there's not much to discuss there. Other than Barry being stupid. He's angry that Nora was dealing with Thrawn even after knowing what Thrawn did to her namesake, believing that he (Thrawn) was manipulating her (Nora) - so he (Barry) 'locks' Nora in the future with Thrawn! C'mon Barry! That's like trying to protect your child from an axe-murder by locking her in the same room with the axe-murder!

Still, I like the aspect of Nora feeling so abandoned by her family that she turns to Thrawn, who then leads her into being a Sith. That's what I had been hoping this whole episode would be dealing with, rather than now having to wait another week.

And after seeing the preview, I'm thinking it might be a let-down, with Evil Nora just simply working with the Bad Guys to do 'Bad Things...'

I would much rather she was still trying to help Barry to stop She'cada, but now in a more twisted way. Instead, have the 'Negative' Speedforce - and that really should have been a thing from the beginning - begin subversively turning her into an anti-hero with little regard to right or wrong in the process. Have her attacking and hurting people, even innocents, with her mind only on the ultimate goal of 'saving' her father from his fate. And then have Barry being horrified to realize this and then having to battle her down in order to save her.

With She'cada thrown in there somewhere for distraction...

 

Hi I haven’t been on this board in a while, but the confusion I feel from this season has brought me back. I’m confused why Iris wants Nora to live in the past? Doesn’t this mess with the space time continuum or something? Wasn’t Nora supposed to go hone? Why does it matter that she went home then? She certainly is no help catching either Cicada.

 

It doesn't make much sense, you're right, and we all know that. Iris was no doubt driven by her emotions; she's gotten to know Nora, and now wants her to be in their lives, even though if Nora returns to [her] present, she and Iris still have a life, though without Barry.

What I can't work out though; is future Iris aware that her daughter has gone back in time, are the two timelines linked? Surely (if they are) then [future] Iris would know that at such a time, her daughter had travelled to the past of April of 2019 and would've been working with Thawne to do it, because as far as future Iris is concerned, this has all happened?

Unless it's one of many possible futures, in which case the one Nora went back too (after her first time run back) was different from the one in which she initially left, and every change that has happened during her time in the present has resulted in yet another different and/or alternate timeline?

Baffling.

 

This season is a "roll your eyes" disjointed mess.

Mostly still watching out of some strange sense of obligation.

 

I'm sure in this universe, just like in the comics, anybody with powers is considered a metahuman. No matter if you got form dark matter or an experiment. You are a meta, unless you're an alien like Supergirl

Iris never said she wanted Nora to live in the present. Where did y'all get that impression? Anyway, do you remember 5x16? In that episode, Barry and Iris had a list of things to do before Nora went home. They always knew she would have to go home. Iris knows that Nora doesn't belong in the past. Things have changed. Iris doesn't want to send Nora back to the future with a broken relationship with her father. She doesn't want Barry and Nora to be on bad terms.

 

obviously thawne has some type of plan up his sleave, he wouldn't of trained nora just for her own purposes of wanting to meet her father. Thawne also had genuine feelings for cisco and barry, so if its the same for nora too, that doesn't mean he wouldn't betray/hurt her like he's done to others before...maybe thawne has abit of a more softer spot for nora because she's still young so wouldn't necessarily kill her, but he'd definitely try winning her over and using her and then betraying her.

we also now know that RF eyes glowing has nothing to do with how powerful of a speedster you are, nora's eyes lit up just like thawnes would....just an affect of using the negative speedforce....negative speedforce=more of a red glow in the eyes and speedforce=electricity/lightning in the eyes.


I sort of see this season similar to how thawne initially gained all the teams trust, for them to find out in the end he was the RF all along and took over Wells body...but his ultimate plan was to get back home. My guess is thawne suddenly changing his mind to train nora, getting her to trust him, now showing her how to tap into the negative speedforce, I feel there is a plan lurking in the background, he has to be using her for some advantage.

 

I figure he's attempting to manipulate the timeline so that he's not wrapped up on death row. Somehow his dealings with Nora, and him potentially changing Barry's fate will undoubtedly change his own.

 

i agree with you, thawne always seemed to be steps ahead, not quite like the thinker but a very close second.

if you watch his body language in some of encounters with nora, more specifically when she asked him to train her, he initially wanted nothing to do with her, then it's like a light bulb went on and he came up with a plan and then it all stemmed from there. This is why I think he's planning something such as like you said by making these changes/decisions in the timeline would somehow avoid him being doomed.

Nora didn't know thawne was the one who killed Barry's mother, she only knew he was an enemy of her fathers...she went to him anyways for help.

He manipulates her disregarding her plea for help/training and then wins her back by changing his mind, gets her to go back to 2019 not just so she can see her father but for cicada, now training her to use the negative speedforce, most likely knowing all along barry would find out about him having secret meetings with nora and would go to the future and confront thawne (another part of his plan to alter the timeline, getting barry upset enough to run to the future to see him), I just think there is more to him than just being trapped in a prison and watching a clock run down while graciously helping nora, I say he has a plan of some sort.

 

If anybody is rude to Sherloque one more god damn time im out lol actually getting ridiculous.

Was the first time I was a little annoyed when he had to go save Barry (and then at the end they use that as kind of his redemption with the team) I don't know how many times I have to say this but HE DID NOTHING WRONG!

 

Being mad at Sherloque is basically being mad at the audience. It's insulting to drag it for so long.