The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 2

[Sevprince]

Is this suppose to be Thawne or Wells.

 

[Mr.X]

^ 13 episodes is a standard 'base order' for any television series. Flash may be new, but it's a spinoff of an already-proven commodity and is being produced by people with a tremendous track record of success, so I would be surprised if the show doesn't get an episode order of 22 or 23 episodes without having to play the 'wait and see' game (16 episodes have already been given the 'green light').

Ahh so we're getting 16 episodes so far? Nice. Yeah I can see them upping it to 22-23 like arrow.

 

[cyclone]

Does look like Wells to me....

I wonder if the storm that happened giving Barry his powers was caused by Eobard Thawne travelling back in time to that point, and in fact Wells is actually Thawne who's using the wheelchair and name of Wells as a cover. That way rather than the first series leading up to the introduction of the Reverse Flash, we've actually had him as a main character throughout the whole thing, only to be revealed who he is at the end of it.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ They already have Eddie Thawne (whose name is a clear derivation of Eobard Thawne), so I doubt they'd have Wells BE that character under an alias.

 

[cyclone]

^ They already have Eddie Thawne (whose name is a clear derivation of Eobard Thawne), so I doubt they'd have Wells BE that character under an alias.

Really? You don't think having a character called Thawne could be a massive misdirection? Everyone is watching and waiting for him to become Reverse Flash that they'd miss the Reverse Flash that's right in front of their eyes?

 

[Doctor Evo]

The episode tonight started out pretty great, but I can't help but be a little disappointed at the lazy writing and dialogue towards the end. It just got progressively worse. What the hell happened?

Love the ending. Pretty stoked about that.

 

[DigificWriter]

@cyclone: Wells doesn't have to be EOBARD THAWNE in disguise to be Prof. Zoom.

 

[Herolee10]

Really? You don't think having a character called Thawne could be a massive misdirection? Everyone is watching and waiting for him to become Reverse Flash that they'd miss the Reverse Flash that's right in front of their eyes?

Wells, unless I'm mistaken, is also one of the major (if not sole) owner of Star Labs, so unless Reverse Flash wanted to go through all the trouble of establishing a fake persona that would gain control over the company like that, while helping Barry become a better hero just for the kick of it..it wouldn't make any sense for me.

 

[cyclone]

Wells, unless I'm mistaken, is also one of the major (if not sole) owner of Star Labs, so unless Reverse Flash wanted to go through all the trouble of establishing a fake persona that would gain control over the company like that, while helping Barry become a better hero just for the kick of it..it wouldn't make any sense for me.

We'll see. It's just a hunch. It's the kind of misdirection I can see them pulling, but wouldn't be annoyed if it's not the case.

 

[Herolee10]

Well, I just hope that the show can manage to pull off creating some memorable villains within the near future.

Arrow already has fan favorites in "Merlyn" and "Deathstroke" so I'm hoping that we'll get the same in the forms of "Reverse Flash", "Captain Cold", and "Grodd".

 

[DigificWriter]

Like I said, Wells can be the series' Reverse Flash without having to be Eobard Thawne in disguise. Eddie Thawne, likewise, can be loosely based on the Eobard Thawne character without having to be used as the Reverse Flash.

 

[SCC]

Still think he is Zolomon, not Eobard. Can't see Eobard wanting to help Barry and put him on his path, as Thawne was obsessed with ruining Barry.

 

[Herolee10]

So do you guys think that this is what we should expect in terms of the "Big Bad" lineup for the next three seasons in the series?

1. Season 1- Reverse Flash

2. Season 2- The Rogues

3. Season 3- Grodd

Does Flash have any more villains that he could possibly use that would be good enough to be the "big bad" of a given season?

 

[cyclone]

Still think he is Zolomon, not Eobard. Can't see Eobard wanting to help Barry and put him on his path, as Thawne was obsessed with ruining Barry.

I thought at first he's not though. At first he's a fan, obsessed with him. Then for whatever reason he turns against him and makes it his mission to ruin him.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Is this suppose to be Thawne or Wells.

it looks like Wells

 

[Cain]

Some of you guys should read more flash comics. As someone who has read them for over 20 years certain things seemed pretty obvious to me. Firstly Eddie Thawne is clearly based on Hunter Zolomon. Down to being a cop with keystone city origins. my hunch is that he is an ancestor of Eobard Thawne in this continuity.

Maybe when Grodd shows up he will still end up paralyzed and then become a reverse flash. But I do see him as a red herring in the sense that he won't be the reverse flash who killed Nora Allen. That could still be Eobard Thawne speed force obsessed scientist from the future and descendant of Eddie.

As to why Eobard will travel back in time and pull off an elaborate scheme. Well again read some comics. Tahat is part of his MO. He has tried to secure the past to ensure his own future many time.

In this case he likely needed to ensure that flash becomes who he becomes so that the speed force could exist and therefore the reverse speed force will also exist and he could tap into it. Only real problem I have with that is the whole contrived archnemesis creates the hero trope. But I could deal with that it's been done enough in many media adaptations that it doesn't even surprise me anymore so I just deal with it.

 

[Steve Holt]

i thought he might've been Rip Hunter

 

[luis4u]

http://www.tvmediainsights.com/the-...trongest-premiere-of-any-series-in-six-years/

 

[luis4u]

The early overnight ratings numbers for the Flash pilot are in, with the earliest numbers posted from TV Media Insights revealing a whopping 3.4/5 rating (more on what that means later as more solid numbers come in – the 3.4/5 is NOT the number of millions who watched, but something confusing that is hard to explain) – the best for a CW premiere since 90210 six years ago. It even did 13% better than the Arrow premiere two years ago.TV Media Insights also reports that The Flash beat ABC and FOX in the time period. It looks like DC beat Marvel last night, too, with higher numbers than Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..
The CW has got to be happy right now!

 

[Cain]

i thought he might've been Rip Hunter

There was something very devious about the way his final scene was framed. Devious is something Rip Hunter is not. Mysterious and misdirective yes because that comes with the time master gig but not devious. Plus the yellow lightning right after his evil grin closeup seemed like a dead giveaway. We'll see.

 

[DrCosmic]

The early overnight ratings numbers for the Flash pilot are in, with the earliest numbers posted from TV Media Insights revealing a whopping 3.4/5 rating (more on what that means later as more solid numbers come in – the 3.4/5 is NOT the number of millions who watched, but something confusing that is hard to explain) – the best for a CW premiere since 90210 six years ago. It even did 13% better than the Arrow premiere two years ago.TV Media Insights also reports that The Flash beat ABC and FOX in the time period. It looks like DC beat Marvel last night, too, with higher numbers than Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..
The CW has got to be happy right now!

As it should be. Flash is a very solid show, and it is honestly the first best and only straight up superhero show on TV since 'Adventures of Lois and Clark', and a superhero TV show is exactly what people have been asking for for many years. This is good news, but it's not entirely surprising. This is one time the fans were right, just give us a guy in a shiny costume and let him fight super powered bad guys, and everyone will love it. A little wobbly CGI never hurt anyone.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Some of you guys should read more flash comics. As someone who has read them for over 20 years certain things seemed pretty obvious to me. Firstly Eddie Thawne is clearly based on Hunter Zolomon. Down to being a cop with keystone city origins. my hunch is that he is an ancestor of Eobard Thawne in this continuity.

Maybe when Grodd shows up he will still end up paralyzed and then become a reverse flash. But I do see him as a red herring in the sense that he won't be the reverse flash who killed Nora Allen. That could still be Eobard Thawne speed force obsessed scientist from the future and descendant of Eddie.

As to why Eobard will travel back in time and pull off an elaborate scheme. Well again read some comics. Tahat is part of his MO. He has tried to secure the past to ensure his own future many time.

In this case he likely needed to ensure that flash becomes who he becomes so that the speed force could exist and therefore the reverse speed force will also exist and he could tap into it. Only real problem I have with that is the whole contrived archnemesis creates the hero trope. But I could deal with that it's been done enough in many media adaptations that it doesn't even surprise me anymore so I just deal with it.

Basically this sounds the most plausible, can't figure out why I didn't consider that Eddie could be a loose adaptation of Zolomon though.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I just saw the news on ratings for flash.Big win for the CW and they deserved it with flash.

Flash looks to be first TV show In a long while to embrace being a super hero and have super villains.Flash has powers and costumes.

Too many want to always go the grounded Dark knight way.Arrow Is basicly Batman Begins the series version of green arrow.

I enjoy the fact pilot beat AOS.I was always critical of them doing a show of made up characters.Yeah comic book characters do show up In guest shots.
I didn't like the first 2 episodes despite me liking Joss Whedon's past TV shows.And after Captain America The winter soldier had shield dismantled I don't see the point of it anymore.Now flash actully has characters from DC comics regurly on it.So i like the idea the show with actual characters from comics regurly beating show with mostly made for TV characters.

They did good job If you saw arrow episodes with barry you felt pilot fit In with it and if you never saw Arrow you can totally get Into it.

The CW must be having a party about these ratings about now.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Th ratings are in and they are BIG!!!!

4.5 million viewers and a 1.8 Demo

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...re-dips-the-flash-opens-big-on-the-cw/312162/

 

[DrCosmic]

So do you guys think that this is what we should expect in terms of the "Big Bad" lineup for the next three seasons in the series?

1. Season 1- Reverse Flash

2. Season 2- The Rogues

3. Season 3- Grodd

Does Flash have any more villains that he could possibly use that would be good enough to be the "big bad" of a given season?

I think they're kind of burning through the Rogues this season. I think the Rogues are more supporting cast for Flash than big bads anyway, if they do it right. I think perhaps one or two of them could be elevated but Cold, Heatwave, Golden Glider and the like should recur 2-5 times every season, imho. I'd basiscally co-op Justice League villains, just as Arrow is using Ra's for it's season 3.

Mine would be:
Season 1 - Professor Zoom (Rogues in background)
Season 2 - Doctor Alchemy (more Rogues in background)
Season 3 - Gorilla Grodd (Ultra-Humanite, Monsuier Mallah, etc)
Season 4 - Vandal Savage (???, more Rogues?)
Season 5 - Earth 2 Johnny Quick (Crime Syndicate)
Season 6 - Eclipso (Good guys turned bad)
Season 7 - Reverse Flash/Thawne Legacy (Time altered versions of people)
Season 8 - ???
Season 9 - ???
Season 10 - Anti-Monitor, Crisis on Infinite Earths