The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 9

[BestGirl]

Like Jay said, it's like throwing it into deep space, but that doesn't mean destroyed.

Seriously, couldn't they have found a handy valcano to drop it in, like Lord of the Rings?

Is the stone even destroyable?

 

[CrystalFortress]

I would have thought locking it up in the pipeline would have been better than throwing it into the Speed Force, which if when Barry gets knocked through it can deposit it anywhere,anywhen.

Then again Savitar has some vaguely defined psychic powers he's using from within the box that seem to have quite the range.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I think it would be alright to stick into a volcano for a couple of millennia.

He's the God of Motion though. He wakes up a couple of millennia later only to get pissed off and travel back to 2016.

 

[Dark Raven]

Is the stone even destroyable?

Why not? Barry could have taken it to Earth 38 for Supergirl to destroy with her laser vision or throw into space. She could've flown it into the sun.

Or give it to Felicity. She'll solve everything since she's the Flarrowverse's secret weapon.

 

[Thome216]

He's the God of Motion though. He wakes up a couple of millennia later only to get pissed off and travel back to 2016.

Maybe that already happened...

 

[Loki882]

Have the Legends take it somehow and hide it. Give it to Supergirl and have her lock it up at the DEO on her Earth, bury it like 300 feet underground, something.

Throwing a speed god into the Speed Force, seems like a really bad idea.

 

[Lencho01]

The DCTV Trinity

 

[zenith16]

I think it would be alright to stick into a volcano for a couple of millennia.

the problem is like I said some one with an archeology degree will find and he'll time travel back

just leave that stone in the sun that way no one with that habit will bother to look for it ,cause that's just insanity to go after object that was placed in the sun and they'd burn to death trying to get it.

it's simple all barry had to do was call the legends for another favor.

Is the stone even destroyable?

as I said a page over Julian claims it wasn't an object that can be destroed . but for all he know's that may be a lie and he himself hasn't tried cause he's been lead on psionically by that stone the whole time.

I would have thought locking it up in the pipeline would have been better than throwing it into the Speed Force, which if when Barry gets knocked through it can deposit it anywhere,any when.

Then again Savitar has some vaguely defined psychic powers he's using from within the box that seem to have quite the range.

all the more reason to put it in the sun, where once you put it in there's not getting it back. unlike a volcano if it's is indestructible at least with the sun no matter how much time has passed it won't be easy to reach.

they burn longer then a Melina

He's the God of Motion though. He wakes up a couple of millennia later only to get pissed off and travel back to 2016.

Bing go you get's it. which is why the sun is the best option and barry knows people with a ship capable of it.

As I said rip did before with the final episode of season one of legends .

if the object can't be destroyed then put it in place people cant reach it and that's a sun . you put it in there but you can't go after it once you drop something off in it and archeology people don't look for things in giant star's

 

[flashpo1nt]

i wonder why speedsters like jessie and wally naturally are faster than barry when he first got his speed.

when hr and wally were training outside the graph chart shows wally (yellow bars) to be almost double the amount higher...barry was practicing, studying, and and had a much better trainer/mentor in reverse flash during season 1.

The only thing we know is jay making the comment in the episode present that barry has gotten more powerful, nice the writers still made barry look like superior as a speedsters in comparision to wally....i always thought the fastest speedster is the most powerful, savitar is a beast at how he threw jay around not sure if wally is as fast as barry, however at the same point in both there trainings wally is significantly faster...so in some ways it makes barry look weaker especially when he had a better trainer who was a speedster to begin with.

I guess the writers in some way have to make barry superior as a speedster in some way, you can't really have him saying in the intro "i'm the fastest man alive" if wally is just as fast or faster. Barry either has to faster in terms of speed or more powerful due to something else like having the strongest bond with the speed force, making this clear would indicate him being a special kind of speedster.

 

[zenith16]

i wonder why speedsters like jessie and wally naturally are faster than barry when he first got his speed.

when hr and wally were training outside the graph chart shows wally (yellow bars) to be almost double the amount higher...barry was practicing, studying, and and had a much better trainer/mentor in reverse flash during season 1.

The only thing we know is jay making the comment in the episode present that barry has gotten more powerful, nice the writers still made barry look like superior as a speedsters in comparision to wally....i always thought the fastest speedster is the most powerful, savitar is a beast at how he threw jay around not sure if wally is as fast as barry, however at the same point in both there trainings wally is significantly faster...so in some ways it makes barry look weaker especially when he had a better trainer who was a speedster to begin with.

Remember in the books after barry disappeared in into the speed force & wally took over it was shown as wally got more skilled in use that his body was more attuned to the speed force and unlike barry , wally didn't need the cosmic thread mill to time travel. which is how wally eventually got Barry back and jessie in the books was second generation speedster both her parents were first gen speedsters and Jessie powers were those of speeded flight and not running this allowed barry to stay unique as a runner while Jessie who was younger character even though she was s speedster has different power set from, him and wally .

 

[zenith16]

oh and in the show it might cause jessie had the velocity serie inther system still effecting her and she was hit with the mutating energy of when Barry hit both her and wally so it speeded up the process with her. with wally he had the enger from barry still working it's way and that stone gave him nother dose in mutating what was already happening in him self to speed up the process too

 

[flashpo1nt]

Remember in the books after barry disappeared in into the speed force & wally took over it was shown as wally got more skilled in use that his body was more attuned to the speed force and unlike barry , wally didn't need the cosmic thread mill to time travel. which is how wally eventually got Barry back and jessie in the books was second generation speedster both her parents were first gen speedsters and Jessie powers were those of speeded flight and not running this allowed barry to stay unique as a runner while Jessie who was younger character even though she was s speedster has different power set from, him and wally .

ya but that only applies if the writes are basing it from the books, barry hasn't disappeared into the speedforce with wally taking over super hero role.

the only time barry was stuck in the speed force was when earth 2 wells recreated the events to get barry's powers back.

if the show is focused on barry allen, then they either have to portray hi as being the fastest or being more powerful in some other way. if not then you can't really have him saying he's the fastest man alive.

 

[zenith16]

there's also what I said just about you beside my first post to you.

also thiswas what was pushed since before wally got his powers in the show




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[Slade W]

I think the main reason the new speedsters are faster is because the writers feel it is what suits the story they are telling best. An in-show explanation might not be given.

 

[flashpo1nt]

oh and in the show it might cause jessie had the velocity serie inther system still effecting her and she was hit with the mutating energy of when Barry hit both her and wally so it speeded up the process with her. with wally he had the enger from barry still working it's way and that stone gave him nother dose in mutating what was already happening in him self to speed up the process too

makes sense the stone would've unleashed wally's full potential, so it's possible thats why wally's base line speed is faster than barry's.

In jessie's situation, she could be at full potential simply due to the energy she was hit with was partly the speedforce explaining why they said she was almost as fast as barry.

If barry is still learning and can still get faster, then really in the end he could be considered the fastest. barry may not be at his full potential yet where wally and jessie are....so at this point in barry's life he's abit faster but when barry hits his peak potential the gap may be larger, who knows it depends on how much better they want barry to look, sometimes they make him look weak and not thinking right and other times they make him look strong.

 

[zenith16]

I think the main reason the new speedsters are faster is because the writers feel it is what suits the story they are telling best. An in-show explanation might not be given.

or it's shout out to the books celebrating flash lore as it was presented. thatonly flash fans will pick up the hints.

 

[zenith16]

makes sense the stone would've unleashed wally's full potential, so it's possible thats why wally's base line speed is faster than barry's.

In jessie's situation, she could be at full potential simply due to the energy she was hit with was partly the speedforce explaining why they said she was almost as fast as barry.

If barry is still learning and can still get faster, then really in the end he could be considered the fastest. barry may not be at his full potential yet where wally and jessie are....so at this point in barry's life he's abit faster but when barry hits his peak potential the gap may be larger, who knows it depends on how much better they want barry to look, sometimes they make him look weak and not thinking right and other times they make him look strong.

they are all still growing too in the use of power and what they can each do. some may have somthing the other can't do at all which is exclusive ly theirs alone.


so it's more like they are playing theoretical debates on who's the fastest.


like those of us who read X-men and wonder who is like to become an
"omega mutant "those that can rival cosmic beings in fights and in ability's use.

 

[Slade W]

or it's shout out to the books celebrating flash lore as it was presented. thatonly flash fans will pick up the hints.

I have read lots of Flash comics too, and it doesn't feel like a hint to me. A lot of the things relating to speed on the show seem to be whatever suits the writers and story at a given moment. That is not a complaint from me, mind you. It doesn't bother me at all. With that said, I have missed some episodes, so perhaps I am not best placed to comment on this, but from what I have seen on the show, it wouldn't surprise me if I was right.

 

[zenith16]

Originally Posted by Slade W
I have read lots of Flash comics too, and it doesn't feel like a hint to me. A lot of the things relating to speed on the show seem to be whatever suits the writers and story at a given moment. That is not a complaint from me, mind you. It doesn't bother me at all. With that said, I have missed some episodes, so perhaps I am not best placed to comment on this, but from what I have seen on the show, it wouldn't surprise me if I was right.

well I put up an article that led to screenrant's show case. but
I'll put a normal link to it for ya cause I'm not in the mood to do the details to night my self.

http://screenrant.com/powers-wally-w...n-the-flash/3/


again this is more related to the ones from the books but I'm sure it's their the shows version of shout out mind you there is list and the person that beat them both was west child

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[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]After achieving enormous success with Dick Grayson, DC Comics introduced sidekicks for several other superheroes, namely Green Arrow and The Flash. While the archer got Roy Harper, the Scarlet Speedster got Wally West, AKA Kid Flash — and so began an unyielding bond that would define Flash comics. Similar to other superheroes, Wally eventually succeeded his mentor and became The Flash after Barry died during the massive crossover event Crisis on Infinite Earths.


Determining who is faster — Barry Allen or Wally West — is perhaps one of the most contentious subjects in comic book history. It’s possible that readers will never get an official, definitive answer, especially since the Speed Force seems to be a fluid concept to DC Comics writers. Still, judging by what we know of the Speed Force and the past feats of both speedsters, we can assuredly say that Wally West is the faster Flash.


Barry has been shown struggling to break the time barrier, yet Wally has done it with ease, even once helping Barry cross that boundary by giving him a push in The Flash: Rebirth (2009). For a long time, Wally put a mental block on himself, a preventive measure to ensure that he would never replace Barry. However, due to special circumstances, Wally was forced to break through that limitation and become the fastest man alive.


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Seeing Iris West II, AKA Impulse, as first on this list will come as a shock to virtually every fan, but here’s the thing, we’re not discussing theoretics, Impulse is the fastest speedster in the DC Universe. As previously mentioned, it was revealed prior to the New 52 reboot that Barry produces the Speed Force while everyone else merely borrows from it. Wally, on the other hand, mainlines from the Speed Force, thus making him faster than Barry.
With that in mind, the reason Iris West II is faster than both Barry and her father, Wally, despite never having run faster than either them, is because her potential is practically limitless. And that is because she is the living embodiment of the Speed Force, having the ability not only to run faster than anyone but also to control and manipulate both speed and time.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

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[metaphysician]

Why not? Barry could have taken it to Earth 38 for Supergirl to destroy with her laser vision or throw into space. She could've flown it into the sun.

Or give it to Felicity. She'll solve everything since she's the Flarrowverse's secret weapon.

Given the box its in is an anomaly that apparently doesn't exist, I would be rather dubious of anything actually harming it. As for opening it up, note that the moment its open, Savitar can come out and play. If you wanted to try destroying it, you'd better be *extremely* confident in your plan, because enacting it will involve trying to hold off Savitar. And you are in deep trouble if the plan succeeds at destroying the box, but *not* the Stone.

 

[Avenging Angel]

The question being when is Savitar coming out again? My guess is sooner not later.

 

[zenith16]

Gypsy is coming


Cindy Reynolds
New Earth
A · I · G
1985 - 2011
Gypsy is a young superhero with the abilities to cast illusions, make herself invisible, and see the future. In addition to this, she is a master of martial arts. When she ran away from home as a teenager, she was discovered by Justice League Detroit and became a member. She has also been a member of the Birds of Prey, Conglomerate, and Justice League Task Force. In the New 52 reboot, Gypsy is seen as a metahuman captive held by Amanda Waller. Gypsy was created by Gerry Conway and Chuck Patton and first appeared in Justice League of America Annual #2. (1984)

for those of that don't know who she is, you saw her doppel ganger in animated version of crisis on two earths

She was apart of the made men of the syndicate along with Cisco's break dancing doppel ganger as well they justice league beat down in a ware house .

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[Rorschach2012]

Give me a Justice League Detroit series! I'm tired of J'onn being on an island, he needs to play with the other heroes

 

[Kieran]

Do you guys think Captain Cold will make an appearance on the show soon, not as an illusion, flashback or hallucination?

 

[Lencho01]

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I feel like Barry is passed due for a new suit