The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 9

[KillerMcQueen]

Despite me generally hating musicals, I'm strangely looking forward to this coming crossover, i think it could end up being a lot of fun. Great news to hear Solovar will be in the Grodd eps. and that Black Flash will be appearing.

 

[reverse flash]

If its a one time signing episode or handled the way they did joe on earth 2 im fine it.

 

[Kelly]

Despite me generally hating musicals, I'm strangely looking forward to this coming crossover, i think it could end up being a lot of fun. Great news to hear Solovar will be in the Grodd eps. and that Black Flash will be appearing.

I am being optimistically hopeful....I think I am one of the few that could not stand the Buffy musical episode.....BUT, at least on these shows they can actually sing, on Buffy I wanted to pull my ears off.

 

[Dark Raven]

Oh they'll be great in these shows. I think even just from a music standpoint, their vocal talents will be something to behold.

Now as for the Music Meister, they'll need someone who can actually sing too. Neil Patrick Harris would be great for the role, assuming they can get him on board and there are no schedule conflicts.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Has anyone noticed (POTENTIALLY MASSIVE SPOILERS):

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IMDB's entry for Carlos Valdez lists him as "Cisco Ramon/Vibe/Savitar/Reverb." Could this be true? If so...has IMDB spoiled the villain reveal two years running?

 

[HighFivingMF]

Has anyone noticed (POTENTIALLY MASSIVE SPOILERS):

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IMDB's entry for Carlos Valdez lists him as "Cisco Ramon/Vibe/Savitar/Reverb." Could this be true? If so...has IMDB spoiled the villain reveal two years running?

Just checked. It only says

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Cisco Ramon/Vibe/Reverb

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Just checked. It only says

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Cisco Ramon/Vibe/Reverb

Spoiler

Someone pulled the "Savitar" part then. Maybe because it wasn't legit or maybe to avoid spoiling anything, but it was there yesterday, I checked for myself to be sure after I heard about it.

I hope it's not true. I feel like that'd be dumb.

 

[Dr Lee]

IMDB allows users to add info without checking... If you're looking at a cast list for something not released yet, then it's highly likely that there's a number of people listed who aren't in the movie/program.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

True, I just remember this same thing happening last year when they listed Teddy Sears as Zoom before the big reveal, and turned out to be correct.

 

[Ghost_Rider]

So Eobard never became Wells in this current timeline?

Instead he's playing with the other washed-up villains on Legends of Tomorrow.


Shouldn't that mean the timeline would be drastically altered and the original Harrison Wells was never murdered?

 

[zenith16]

So Eobard never became Wells in this current timeline?

Instead he's playing with the other washed-up villains on Legends of Tomorrow.


Shouldn't that mean the timeline would be drastically altered and the original Harrison Wells was never murdered?

in most cases it would but truth be told the writers are ignoring it. just like last season when they ignored some things like what barry was suddenly at the start of season 2 killing some villains and joe making big deal about them keeping prisoners in the lab "with out due process " for the time then he was just ok or putting blame on spivot when his not telling her or just plain anyone on the force cause trouble and got harry of earth 2 shot .



Apparently it's not priority or important to the writers right now and they are doing what arrow does in some case's when they choose to ignore details like this .also they might claim later he went to set thing's up to part way regardless. and it
ll not make sense . cause they don't care about these things, it put things in weird place.

 

[Xrated48]

So Eobard never became Wells in this current timeline?

Instead he's playing with the other washed-up villains on Legends of Tomorrow.


Shouldn't that mean the timeline would be drastically altered and the original Harrison Wells was never murdered?

If I'm not mistaken the Eobard Thawne shown now is younger version before he decided to become Harrison Wells.

 

[zenith16]

Originally Posted by Xrated48
If I'm not mistaken the Eobard Thawne shown now is younger version before he decided to become Harrison Wells.

there nothing that confirms this, with in the show or other wise. that I've seen so far. Do you have anything that says this?
it's weird this hasn't been say any of the out lets that fallow this show and there are enough that do even video game out lets that love superheroes and live shows like this .


And they should really make that6 overly clear with in the show of legends


oh this was put up recently Idid mention the Manu benett part to the article make in his comment since it seem I'm the only person to answer him there.

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#7- Titans

Based on the success of the much-loved Teen Titans animated series on Cartoon Network, as well as the elation from fans when the Teen Titans: The Judas Contract animated film was announced, it’s a bit surprising that the Teen Titans, or even the Titans proper, haven’t popped up in live action yet. While the introduction of Deathstroke into the DCEU has many wishing for a film featuring the team that made him famous in the first place, there’s definitely a large market out there that would be thrilled to see a Titans television series.

At this stage, the only Titans/Teen Titans mainstays that we’ve seen in one form or another are Kid Flash (Wally West) on The Flash and Arsenal (Roy Harper) on Arrow. That being said, the series could either air alongside said series as a spinoff or another network could take the concept and start completely from scratch.


As far as additional characters, classic names like Starfire, Beast Boy, Tempest, Raven, and of course, Robin/Nightwing could fill the remaining gaps. Plus, if the series did end up on the CW, it’d be a prime reason for Manu Bennett to reprise his role as Slade Wilson, serving as a formidable, yet familiar foe to set the tone for the first season.

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This is me below taekn from their comments area uder the article

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that would be awesome but Manu Bennett had a nasty fall out withthe show runner of arrow and mothed off too often about it and he has made his home as the cool dried withthe techno bloade onthe shannra chronicles . you'd have to use death strokes son


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[Xrated48]

there nothing that confirms this, with in the show or other wise. that I've seen so far. Do you have anything that says this?
it's weird this hasn't been say any of the out lets that fallow this show and there are enough that do even video game out lets that love superheroes and live shows like this .


And they should really make that6 overly clear with in the show of legends


oh this was put up recently Idid mention the Manu benett part to the article make in his comment since it seem I'm the only person to answer him there.

10 DC Characters That Deserve A Television Series14 hours ago |
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This is me below taekn from their comments area uder the article

If I'm not mistaken they addressed it in a episode in season 2 of The Flash when the reverse-flash returned. I forgot what episode it was though.

 

[zenith16]

If I'm not mistaken they addressed it in a episode in season 2 of The Flash when the reverse-flash returned. I forgot what episode it was though.

you mean the one that version o9f him barry caught in present day of season 2 and cisco started to have ceasure's and they had to let eobard go other cisco would die? if it's from that episode your speaking of, then I'm sorry that was for that one episode alone as standalone episode.

it was also the episode where harry of earth 2 talk about the time Remanents and they had to explain that in the wikia later with details of where it was in the comic's of flash lore.

Especially since the fans had issues with the explanation of the Remanents

 

[Mike Murdock]

So Eobard never became Wells in this current timeline?

Instead he's playing with the other washed-up villains on Legends of Tomorrow.


Shouldn't that mean the timeline would be drastically altered and the original Harrison Wells was never murdered?

Only if you follow logic, which Flash time travel does not. This is post-Flashpoint timeline, which is a bizarre amalgamation of everything. FWIW, we don't know that Wells was never murdered, Eobard could still do that. It just seems unlikely that Wells was ever replaced.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Only if you follow logic, which Flash time travel does not. This is post-Flashpoint timeline, which is a bizarre amalgamation of everything. FWIW, we don't know that Wells was never murdered, Eobard could still do that. It just seems unlikely that Wells was ever replaced.

Love flash but they don't have any rules

back at end of season 1 when eddie killed himself erasing reverse flash from exsistance should have had some effect.it didn't.with flashpoint all effets have been minor except for caitlin with powers.

TC should be playing real harrison wells and not stupid HR.

problem is producers don't really want to change anything that has
happened.

 

[reverse flash]

Sounds like the current timeline is the same as season 1 except a few touches.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/12/flash-robbie-amell-season-3/

Ronnie Raymond returns!

Robbie Amell is slated to reprise his role as Ronnie Raymond in an upcoming episode of The Flash, EW has learned exclusively.


Details on how Amell will appear — whether in a different timeline in which he’s still alive or we’re meeting a doppelgänger from another universe — are being kept under wraps, but he’ll appear in a winter episode.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Cool. I love Jax and Stein's chemistry but I rewatched S1 of Flash recently and I miss Ronnie, too.

 

[Pennywise]

Hopefully It's Earth 1 Ronnie and not a hallucination or doppelgänger.

 

[Headliner]

there nothing that confirms this, with in the show or other wise. that I've seen so far. Do you have anything that says this?

I think it is the younger version before he decided to take Wells identity.

In Season 1, Thawne kills Barry's mom in the year 2000, loses his ability to get home, then takes Wells identity in order to create Star Labs, Flash and get back home.

At the end of season 2, the Thawne that Barry stopped was the Thawne before he took Wells identity. That created Flashpoint. When they repaired the timeline by having Thawne kill Barry's mom again in the year 2000 and Thawne took Barry to Joe's doorstep (the exact spot he left to go back in time) everything from 2000 to now was suppose to be fixed except for minor things that are changed such as the West family relationship and Snow getting powers.

Eddie is still dead which means that Eobard still took Wells identity and went on to die in the year 2015 due to Eddie killing himself. Eobard had to get stuck in time and take Wells identity for Eddie to kill himself in the first place.

My guess is that until they put him on Legends of Tomorrow, we were going to keep seeing a younger and younger version of Thawne as seasons went on. Sort of like "The Reverse". Haha.

 

[zenith16]

http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/12/flash-robbie-amell-season-3/

I always said he was alive he was just missing and when there no body to be buried they always come back, in most sci-fi. Too bad ro9bbie mell let the writers even convince last year when he gave up hope .

I think it is the younger version before he decided to take Wells identity.

In Season 1, Thawne kills Barry's mom in the year 2000, loses his ability to get home, then takes Wells identity in order to create Star Labs, Flash and get back home.

At the end of season 2, the Thawne that Barry stopped was the Thawne before he took Wells identity. That created Flashpoint. When they repaired the timeline by having Thawne kill Barry's mom again in the year 2000 and Thawne took Barry to Joe's doorstep (the exact spot he left to go back in time) everything from 2000 to now was suppose to be fixed except for minor things that are changed such as the West family relationship and Snow getting powers.

Eddie is still dead which means that Eobard still took Wells identity and went on to die in the year 2015 due to Eddie killing himself. Eobard had to get stuck in time and take Wells identity for Eddie to kill himself in the first place.

My guess is that until they put him on Legends of Tomorrow, we were going to keep seeing a younger and younger version of Thawne as seasons went on. Sort of like "The Reverse". Haha.

I don't think it is but until they say so. ...

 

[Avenging Angel]

Ronnie and Eddie are coming back. Ronnie may have a cameo part for Caitlin's arc. Eddie will come back and resolve what happened when he was sucked in the singularity. We never got closure on these guys.

 

[Gu3ree]

Thought I'd create a thread on this or just ask here...

Firstly, I love this show but I have questions that I'm confused with. The whole time-traveling thing.

Does the "time remnant" specifically mean a speedster went back in time...or did the speedster run so fast that he/she created a living copy of him/herself?-Confused.

Zoom's plan was to get as many time versions of himself as possible right?

But when Barry was battling Zoom in the season 2 finale...did Barry simply just go back in time a few minutes prior to where he was racing Zoom to help his 2-minute younger self?

Here are other two things that kind of bother me that also involved the time-traveling.

In 2x17 if I remember, the episode where Barry went back in time to season 1 (1x11) to get help on getting faster in the future, he was able to see his younger self...a co-existing one if you will. Basically both Barry's co-exist. And it makes sense that he would see his younger self.

But here's the question...what about the very first time Barry ever went back in time...in 1x15.

He sees another Flash speeding at the beginning of the episode, the "ghosted" Flash, then when he actually goes back in time...um...well you know what happens, he relives that moment and sees himself from the other side...and then the previous Barry disappears...he just vanishes...so the present Barry (who just time traveled) somehow replaces him, he literally preserves him. He maintains his younger self in his original existing state. HOW????

Why would the younger Barry have disappeared? Future Barry time-traveled a day earlier to that moment when younger Barry was racing to save the day in the past...why wouldn't the both of them have been in the same time and place, the younger Barry just disappeared.

Back to 2x17...Barry time-travels to a year and a half ago roughly and is able to talk to his younger self...that 2015 Barry doesn't vanish away...

How does that work? Or does it not make sense at all? Does Barry have to be in the same exact spot to time-travel in order to remove/erase that existing Barry and replace his consciousness?

Okay and last thing...

After Eddie shot himself in 1x23...that permanently erased Eobard Thawne from existence...it still doesn't make sense to me how he would still be able to come back in 2x11. It almost makes sense, but if you think about it, Eddie had shot himself and died so then...okay, I'm really getting lost now...

Of course that was a younger Eobard Thawne, and of course that means he'd eventually time-travel to the time he would one day kill Barry's mother after discovering Flash's secret identity. So while it could explain why he co-exists...it still doesn't seem right.

Shouldn't Thawne by now, not even exist at all after Eddie shot and killed himself? It's because it happened but...but wait, no, Eobard couldn't possibly even be born if not for Eddie killing himself!

Now into season 3...obviously Barry made some changes but...wait...so if Barry got Eobard to kill his mother again...yikes...that same Eobard (who was supposed to kill Barry's mom in the original timeline) left and went somewhere else...(presumably in Legends of Tomorrow, time-traveled)...

But that same Eobard Thawne that was supposed to kill Barry's mother, which he did though, was meant to be that guy that got stuck in the year 2000, and stuck for the next 15 years...so does that just mean that event never even happened anymore?

Wouldn't Eddie be alive if so?

If Eobard Thawne didn't stay stuck in 2000...but killed Barry's mother still...how does that explain all the slight changes made after Flashpoint? Why didn't it turn out exactly the same?

Of course we've been lectured continuously for a long time now in movies and television that going back in time has consequences...but I don't think the results of Flashpoint are logical, if Barry restored the timeline back to the way it was...with Eobard killing Barry's mother. Somehow this affected Iris's relationship with her father...and Cisco's brother dying.

I'm not saying I don't think it's entirely plausible but Barry didn't change history like he did by going back in time in 2x17. Is it because Eobard never stayed in the timeline from 2000-2015?