The Flash The Flash General Discussion and Speculation Thread - Part 9

[BlueLanternKal]

The way I understood time remnants and Future!Barry and Past!Barry merging is this way...

Time remnants are versions of speedsters that were already traveling through time when another speedster alters the timeline or a speedster that has gone far enough into the Past or Future, but has been able to evade the Time Wraiths either by keeping a low profile or going back to where they belong more or less. That's why Time Wraiths exists. To pull these anamolies back into the Speedforce to allow Time to "fix" itself.

Now the merging thing is like this. Time wants to be immutable. That's It's natural state. So if Barry travels a short enough distance to the Past or Future instead of taking one of them away via Wraiths they merge mind and body as a way of "correcting" the timeline.

When Barry goes too far into the Past or Future he can't simply merge with his "present" self because too much time has passed between the two Barrys. They're essentially different people due to their experiences or lack thereof.

Don't worry, the Flash has done a terrible job of explaining these rules because I think they're either "too fantastical" for their pseudoscience or it requires too much exposition.

 

[Gu3ree]

I see. Thanks for explaining.

 

[zenith16]

Originally Posted by Gu3ree
Thought I'd create a thread on this or just ask here...

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Originally Posted by BlueLanternKal
The way I understood time remnants and Future!Barry and Past!Barry merging is this way...

Time remnants are versions of speedsters that were already traveling through time when another speedster alters the timeline or a speedster that has gone far enough into the Past or Future, but has been able to evade the Time Wraiths either by keeping a low profile or going back to where they belong more or less. That's why Time Wraiths exists. To pull these anamolies back into the Speedforce to allow Time to "fix" itself.

Now the merging thing is like this. Time wants to be immutable. That's It's natural state. So if Barry travels a short enough distance to the Past or Future instead of taking one of them away via Wraiths they merge mind and body as a way of "correcting" the timeline.

When Barry goes too far into the Past or Future he can't simply merge with his "present" self because too much time has passed between the two Barrys. They're essentially different people due to their experiences or lack thereof.

Don't worry, the Flash has done a terrible job of explaining these rules because I think they're either "too fantastical" for their pseudoscience or it requires too much exposition.

sadly BL that not fully the case.


I read everything you both said I remember answering two people in other threads about this and I guess Gu3ree missed it.

I'll make it short for you.

the writers had this answer in the flarrow verse wikia. it's very detailed and comprehensive from writers explaining it in better detail
your answer is in this link here Click here for detailed overview :>>Time remnant<<

Time remnants, or timeline remnants, as dubbed by Harry Wells, are a phenomenon that occurs as the result of meta-human speedsters' time travel abilities. Due to possible time ruptures and changes brought by the speedsters traveling (and/or staying) further back in time or even a speedster's death, the time remnants are preserved via the Speed Force as if in their original timelines, have to appear in the new timeline in order to prevent further time paradoxes.

Overview

The time remnants, shielded by the Speed Force, seem to appear whenever an aborted timeline's events have to happen for the current timeline to exist, but would technically never happen, because a speedster's actions led to them being erased from existence. This happened to Eobard Thawne, who came from an older timeline, then restarted the timeline in the year when he first travelled by time-wrapping it in a predestination loop, so that Barry's mother wouldn't be murdered by him in 2000, the particle accelerator explosion, as well as Barry Allen's ascent to the mantle of the Flash, would happen in 2013; only for Eobard to cease to exist due to the suicide of Eddie Thawne, his ancestor.


However, since Eobard Thawne's existence and the changes to the timeline that he brought (the death of Harrison Wells and Eobard's subsequent masquerade, the explosion of the S.T.A.R. Labs particle accelerator, the creation of the Flash in 2014) had to happen for Barry to fight him in 2015 and for Eddie to decide to sacrifice himself in the first place (i.e., he had to exist to cause the changes in the first place), the Speed Force turned Thawne into a time remnant who would continue to exist until the fixed point in time when time "catches up to him". However, it's also possible a younger Eobard from 2016 became a time remnant after his older counterpart ceased to exist following the grandfather paradox caused by Eddie's death to ensure his personal timeline and the primary timeline continues to exist. The explanation as to why the "Evil Wells's" time remnant was preserved in the new timeline came from Harrison Wells from an alternate Earth.

The mechanics regarding the appearances of time remnants of other speedsters, such as those of Hunter Zolomon and Barry Allen, are not explained in such a complex manner as Thawne's, but it can be presumed that their origins are similar: they are the results of an aborted timeline. However, it is noted that the appearance of these time remnants in the current timeline require some sort of action from the speedsters themselves. All that is known is that after Barry Allen decided to go to Earth Two, Hunter Zolomon created a time remnant of himself and convinced him to die on Earth One before the eyes of Team Flash, ensuring that Barry would want to increase his speed and avenge the man that took on the name of Jay Garrick.[2]



cheout the history and behind the scenes in same link <<there's a reason the latter's in red.

All Via: http://arrow.wikia.com/wiki/Time_remnant​

source:


Arrowverse Wiki

 

[Avenging Angel]

So if

Spoiler

Cisco dies at the end of the season how will that help the show? I hope it's not him.

 

[zenith16]

So if

Spoiler

Cisco dies at the end of the season how will that help the show? I hope it's not him.

it won't help the show. . So it better not be him, but you never know with the writers.
Let's hope it's not likely .

 

[metaphysician]

I don't think *anybody* will die at the end of the season, necessarily. Acting like its a certainty is silly.

 

[Lencho01]

[YT]hvJUFNNO-Jk[/YT]

 

[The Shape]

http://tvline.com/2017/01/16/the-flash-season-3-eddie-returns-rick-cosnett/


Smh.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

http://tvline.com/2017/01/16/the-flash-season-3-eddie-returns-rick-cosnett/


Smh.

Well, there's our Savitar identity reveal
Now watch that actually happen...

 

[The Shape]

I don't know why Cosnett and the show had to announce this. Same goes for Robbie Amell showing up this season. Why can't these have been "surprises"?

However, I doubt that Cosnett wouldn't have let the cat out of the bag if his appearance was meant to be some kind of big twist or reveal. But still...

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I don't know why Cosnett and the show had to announce this. Same goes for Robbie Amell showing up this season. Why can't these have been "surprises"?

However, I doubt that Cosnett wouldn't have let the cat out of the bag if his appearance was meant to be some kind of big twist or reveal. But still...

They probably figure the news would leak through set photos anyways and prefer to announce it themselves. But yeah, I would prefer they at least try to keep these sorts of things secret.

 

[Dr Lee]

It does seem like the Vancouver paparazzi are a bit too good at spoiling surprises...

 

[Xrated48]

Post spoiler tags next time please.

 

[reverse flash]

I dont think eddie is savitar. They have been pretty good at keeping surprises and I expect it to be an earth 19 eddie or flasbacks of some sort.

 

[zenith16]

They probably figure the news would leak through set photos anyways and prefer to announce it themselves. But yeah, I would prefer they at least try to keep these sorts of things secret.

bingo

 

[antsman41]

This is heavy,

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. -Barry

 

[C. Lee]

For any Flash fans in the Kentucky area.....John Wesley Shipp will be one of the guests at the LEXINGTON COMIC AND TOY CON in March http://lexingtoncomiccon.com/guests.html

 

[Avenging Angel]

Was it necessary to show them in bed together? Didn't they grow up as brother and sister? The show is really running with this incest angle. All I care about is Killer Frost returning, seeing what Eddie and Ronnie are up to, Savitar and if it ties in.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Was it necessary to show them in bed together? Didn't they grow up as brother and sister? The show is really running with this incest angle. All I care about is Killer Frost returning, seeing what Eddie and Ronnie are up to, Savitar and if it ties in.

It's not incest. They're not related. Not even step-siblings because Joe never adopted Barry (or married his mother). If anything, they're foster siblings at the closest, which means nothing at all. They're not related. At all. Period. So it isn't incest.

 

[The Apocalypse]

Was it necessary to show them in bed together? Didn't they grow up as brother and sister? The show is really running with this incest angle. All I care about is Killer Frost returning, seeing what Eddie and Ronnie are up to, Savitar and if it ties in.

Ah, yes. CW and their incest shows back at it. First Supernatural, now Flash!

 

[edwardc]

It's not incest. They're not related. Not even step-siblings because Joe never adopted Barry (or married his mother). If anything, they're foster siblings at the closest, which means nothing at all. They're not related. At all. Period. So it isn't incest.

Agreed they are not related on a different note we know somebody is going to die i think its joe's girlfriend.

 

[TheRedWraith]

Essentially it means that if a Time Wraith doesn't get you for f****** with the timestream during the journey then if you do something that destroys your stem then you don't die as you are protected due to the speedforce (the writers however aren't competent and unfortunately will let this fluctuate so they can do whatever they want) meaning that it is essentially like creating a perfect copy right then and there that has no real past but has the memories of a past. The fact that the writers are so incompetent kind of ruins Eobard as it was right there in front of them for them to make Eobard's motive be that he realizes that due to Barry his ancestor died before he could create a lineage thus disallowing him to be born meaning he would have no future to go back to as everything would be different and he wouldn't have existed destroying his life and turning him into a time remnant. This would give him such vitriolic hatred that would incite him to obsess over him and make such a big deal about protecting Eddie to the point that he makes the death happen by his actions. Now this does create an issue with the fading Eobard in Season 1, in that case I would just use the death of Eddie as enough of a distraction that Flash or someone else manages to take him out and if he dies or is just rendered unconscious he ends up getting sucked into the singularity.

 

[TheRedWraith]

It's not incest. They're not related. Not even step-siblings because Joe never adopted Barry (or married his mother). If anything, they're foster siblings at the closest, which means nothing at all. They're not related. At all. Period. So it isn't incest.

and although the writers seem to have forgotten it with the way they do the timelines, Joe was Henry's friend so Barry both already knew and had had a crush on Iris before he was taken in by Joe.

 

[Lantern Venom]

For any Flash fans in the Kentucky area.....John Wesley Shipp will be one of the guests at the LEXINGTON COMIC AND TOY CON in March http://lexingtoncomiccon.com/guests.html

I'm going to be there, and I almost tapped into the Speed Force myself as I ran around the room in euphoria when I read about his appearance.

 

[zenith16]

Essentially it means that if a Time Wraith doesn't get you for f****** with the timestream during the journey then if you do something that destroys your stem then you don't die as you are protected due to the speedforce (the writers however aren't competent and unfortunately will let this fluctuate so they can do whatever they want) meaning that it is essentially like creating a perfect copy right then and there that has no real past but has the memories of a past. The fact that the writers are so incompetent kind of ruins Eobard as it was right there in front of them for them to make Eobard's motive be that he realizes that due to Barry his ancestor died before he could create a lineage thus disallowing him to be born meaning he would have no future to go back to as everything would be different and he wouldn't have existed destroying his life and turning him into a time remnant. This would give him such vitriolic hatred that would incite him to obsess over him and make such a big deal about protecting Eddie to the point that he makes the death happen by his actions. Now this does create an issue with the fading Eobard in Season 1, in that case I would just use the death of Eddie as enough of a distraction that Flash or someone else manages to take him out and if he dies or is just rendered unconscious he ends up getting sucked into the singularity.

For the record I think the issue Eboard has with barry is very similar (if not the very same reason)to the one he had with barry inthe books eobard lost some very dear to him and asked flash to change history with his time travel ability.


but Barry as the flash in the books refused and Eobard was furious and started the feud.

In the show Eobard was dangling it as way to annoy barry saying it doesn't matter . in other words he just didn't want to tell him, even thought barry was dying toiknow what started this problem & mabe prevent it. So I think it's the same deal.

Eobard in the show doesn't give damn about eddie. he made it clear everyone from before he was born and he considers old are dead to him.

is it psycho serial killed babble yes . but to eobard who's made up his insane mind they are important cause most of those people died before his time already.