The God of Music - The Thor: Ragnarok OST Thread

[Finarfiniel]

If that's how you feel, then might I ask, why are you even here?

I was going to ask the same thing, the Thor 3 soundtrack thread seems a bit of a strange place to be posting if you generally dislike MCU films and have little interest in the subject film.

Agreed. Thor's films should be on the level of LOTR with that sort of gravitas and weight. Especially Ragnarok. Thor films shouldn't be the typical Marvel cookie cutter formula and they shouldn't be the goofy mess that TDW was.

I've never understood this argument. I'm a huge LOTR fan, I mean seriously huge, they're pretty much my favourite movies of all time. I'm also a general Tolkien nut (even my username is Tolkienesque) but I have no interest in the Thor films being LOTR knock offs. While they may have some surface level similarities (fantasy, Norse mythological inspired elements including elves, dwarves and trolls, e.t.c), they come from very different source material and are incredibly different in tone and aesthetic. The Thor comics have always balanced elements of the comedic and the dramatic to great success, I don't see any reason why the movies shouldn't be the same.

I also don't think we've seen any indication thus far that Ragnarok is going to be at all similar to TDW, in fact I'd say it's the complete opposite. And I disagree that Marvel have a 'cookie cutter formula' too, but that's neither here nor there.

 

[BoredGuy]

I think it was JMS's run that brought in that element of dark, melodramatic fantasy without the more humorous or sci-fi elements that maybe the book had been known for previously. And since that run essentially reinvented/updated Thor and his world, a lot of younger readers have never known Thor as a goofy or colorful character. So their desire to see something akin to LOTR is based on the fact that those were fantasy films that also had the potential to be goofy, but were instead given a very serious tone (not to mention they ended up being awesome). And since they were coming not long before JMS's run started, it gave a lot of readers a similar feeling, and made that the tone they envisioned for a potential Thor film.

 

[Mjölnir]

Jason Aaron certainly mixed humor with great epic drama though, and especially his initial arc of Thor: God of Thunder is imo one of the greatest ever so newer readers should have gotten a bit of that as well, and if they haven't they should rectify it post haste.

 

[Elayis]

If that's how you feel, then might I ask, why are you even here?

This feels like the wrong question to be asking. I'm here for the same reason you and everyone else is, I'm a fan of the superhero genre and I enjoy discussing it. I also still get excited about Marvel's new movies, even though they usually end up underwhelming me.

Perhaps this was the wrong thread to get into it, but it didn't feel that way to me. The hiring of Mothersbaugh started off this line of thinking, so talking about the tone of the Thor films and the MCU in general felt like a natural extension of the conversation.

Thor is one of my favorite Marvel characters, and I think Hemsworth and Hiddleston were magnificently cast. There were a lot of things I liked about the first movie, but to me it didn't live up to the great Comic-Con trailer. I was wowed by it at San Diego (I still remember how excited I was when the entire Avengers cast came out along with Whedon), so I was surprised they cut the best line of the trailer from the film.

Like I said, I don't mind humor, but the Thor films so far have taken it too far. The slapstick comedy, Darcy, scientist Jane being a ditz. Unlike what other people said, I don't want a LOTR copycat; the fun does not need to go, but it shouldn't overpower the drama.

Mothersbaugh is a talented composer, so I hope Ragnorak gives him the opportunity to produce an inventive and original score, unlike the parody films he's worked on in the past. But at the moment it feels like casting Bill Murray as Superman. Clearly a talented artist, just ill-suited to the job at hand. But we'll see come next November.

Jason Aaron certainly mixed humor with great epic drama though, and especially his initial arc of Thor: God of Thunder is imo one of the greatest ever so newer readers should have gotten a bit of that as well, and if they haven't they should rectify it post haste.

Yes, his first arc was amazing, Ribic's art was tremendous, too. After that, the comic lost its way. And even though I like Jane as Thor, her book hasn't been very good. I did like Thors, though. I was also a big fan of Ultimates 1 & 2 (Millar's initial run) and Hickman's Ultimate Thor mini. Haven't gotten around to finishing JMS' run (even though I own all of it), and Fraction's run was dreadful.

 

[DarthPietro]

I've never understood this argument. I'm a huge LOTR fan, I mean seriously huge, they're pretty much my favourite movies of all time. I'm also a general Tolkien nut (even my username is Tolkienesque) but I have no interest in the Thor films being LOTR knock offs. While they may have some surface level similarities (fantasy, Norse mythological inspired elements including elves, dwarves and trolls, e.t.c), they come from very different source material and are incredibly different in tone and aesthetic. The Thor comics have always balanced elements of the comedic and the dramatic to great success, I don't see any reason why the movies shouldn't be the same.

I also don't think we've seen any indication thus far that Ragnarok is going to be at all similar to TDW, in fact I'd say it's the complete opposite. And I disagree that Marvel have a 'cookie cutter formula' too, but that's neither here nor there.

I generally agree with a lot of that, Finarfiniel. I'm also genuinely curious though, what makes you believe Marvel doesn't have a "cookie cutter formula"?

 

[Mjölnir]

Yes, his first arc was amazing, Ribic's art was tremendous, too. After that, the comic lost its way. And even though I like Jane as Thor, her book hasn't been very good. I did like Thors, though. I was also a big fan of Ultimates 1 & 2 (Millar's initial run) and Hickman's Ultimate Thor mini. Haven't gotten around to finishing JMS' run (even though I own all of it), and Fraction's run was dreadful.

I disagree there. I think he started a great set up for a possible long term Ragnarok story (I'm assuming since Surtur was hinted at briefly), and Malekith has never been better than he is now. Aaron really dares to make the nine realms both fantastical and mythical, and I've enjoyed that he managed to find a good tie in with Earth as well through Roxxon.

To my surprise I even liked when the female Thor came around since he wrote it in a way that you explored the real Thor's character through her. It was actually Secret Wars that made me stop, although not just for what it was but because there were talks that everything would be rebooted afterwards. I didn't keep up with things so I don't know in what sense they meant, since now that I went back to read The Mighty Thor (as prep for the coming Unworthy Thor) things just seem to continue like it was. I still enjoy his story, although I do want the real Thor to return to Mjolnir in a forseeable future so he is the one that stands against Ragnarok.

But I just realized that I'm writing this in the Sountrack thread, so I'll stop derailing the topic.

 

[Finarfiniel]

This feels like the wrong question to be asking. I'm here for the same reason you and everyone else is, I'm a fan of the superhero genre and I enjoy discussing it. I also still get excited about Marvel's new movies, even though they usually end up underwhelming me.

Perhaps this was the wrong thread to get into it, but it didn't feel that way to me. The hiring of Mothersbaugh started off this line of thinking, so talking about the tone of the Thor films and the MCU in general felt like a natural extension of the conversation.

Thor is one of my favorite Marvel characters, and I think Hemsworth and Hiddleston were magnificently cast. There were a lot of things I liked about the first movie, but to me it didn't live up to the great Comic-Con trailer. I was wowed by it at San Diego (I still remember how excited I was when the entire Avengers cast came out along with Whedon), so I was surprised they cut the best line of the trailer from the film.

Like I said, I don't mind humor, but the Thor films so far have taken it too far. The slapstick comedy, Darcy, scientist Jane being a ditz. Unlike what other people said, I don't want a LOTR copycat; the fun does not need to go, but it shouldn't overpower the drama.

Mothersbaugh is a talented composer, so I hope Ragnorak gives him the opportunity to produce an inventive and original score, unlike the parody films he's worked on in the past. But at the moment it feels like casting Bill Murray as Superman. Clearly a talented artist, just ill-suited to the job at hand. But we'll see come next November.

Well explained. I may not entirely agree but I see where you're coming from now. I still maintain that there's plenty of evidence to suggest that Ragnarok is going to be vastly different to the first two Thor movies and it's probably a bit unfair to pre-judge it based on them alone. Look at how different Winter Soldier is to The First Avenger, it can be done.

I generally agree with a lot of that, Finarfiniel. I'm also genuinely curious though, what makes you believe Marvel doesn't have a "cookie cutter formula"?

What makes you think they do? To say they do is kinda saying that the MCU is entirely comprised of films telling the exact same story over and over which I don't personally agree with. If Marvel has a cookie cutter formula it's not unique to them, because superhero (or team of superheroes) fighting against a supervillain (or team of supervillains) to save earth/the galaxy/the universe whilst battling their own personal demons pretty much describes every CBM ever made, Marvel or no. Yes, all the MCU films have an element of comedy in them in some form or another but the amount of comedy and it's execution clearly varies from film to film.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Somethings never change...

 

[DarthPietro]

What makes you think they do? To say they do is kinda saying that the MCU is entirely comprised of films telling the exact same story over and over which I don't personally agree with. If Marvel has a cookie cutter formula it's not unique to them, because superhero (or team of superheroes) fighting against a supervillain (or team of supervillains) to save earth/the galaxy/the universe whilst battling their own personal demons pretty much describes every CBM ever made, Marvel or no. Yes, all the MCU films have an element of comedy in them in some form or another but the amount of comedy and it's execution clearly varies from film to film.

I never said I thought the Marvel films used a "cookie-cutter" formula, I merely wondered what led you to believe they didn't.

 

[Finarfiniel]

I never said I thought the Marvel films used a "cookie-cutter" formula, I merely wondered what led you to believe they didn't.

Adequately explained, I hope.

 

[thenesta_test]

The only movies where I thought the humor got out of control were Age of Ultron and Thor 2.
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[mclay18]

I have to say this announcement makes me uneasy. I was hoping Marvel would ditch the overly comedic tone the Thor films have had so far (TDW was practically a farce), but with the hiring of first Waititi and now Mothersbaugh, it seems they have not learned their lesson.

Mothersbaugh has been pigeonholed into the animation and comedy genres. But he has scored a few dramas (and an action film with Jason Statham), and there were sections of The Lego Movie that were pretty dramatic. He can also do moments of grandeur, i.e. sections of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs.

It is Mothersbaugh's first big comic book movie, so I can see why some people are wary of him scoring the film as opposed to Brian Tyler or Alan Silvestri.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Surprised we haven't heard anything about Mothersbaugh's score yet. He's got an eclectic movie history on movies and a somewhat eccentric director so I don't really know what to expect.

 

[Elayis]

I just hope it's strong thematically and melodically. I also hope we get a standout theme for Thor this time. Doyle's was fine, but it's been ignored since then and Tyler's was far too derivative of his work on Dune.

And I hope the score plays the comedy straight. Nothing ruins humor more than too much wink wink from the music.

 

[mclay18]

Mothersbaugh started recording the score last week at Abbey Road Studios.

https://***********/scoringsessions/status/891022047823904768

Looks like the film will be complete earlier than expected!

 

[HammerDown]

Nice. Hope he delivers some magic with his score.
Let's see if we get some more synth related stuff like the music in the Trailer.

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[StarLord]

I now feel like the score is the final piece of the puzzle and I'm really excited to hear what Mothersbaugh has come up with.

 

[fancyarcher]

Hopefully it's not RC-lite. This is Mothersbaugh first real blockbuster, and I'm curious to see how he'll approach. I'm getting the sense given Waititi, that there might be a rock hard edge to the music, or if we're lucky it could be traditional orchestral scoring, which would be awesome.

 

[Mjölnir]

I have no idea what to expect for a score, but that feels a bit exciting as well as the rest of the film seems so special in tone. I'll try not to hear anything before I see the film, and I'll also try not to have any specific expectations.

 

[HammerDown]

Taika Waititi wanted Mark Mothersbaugh to do the score so that shows Taika new exactly what he wanted for his movie.

The post read: "No clue if this has been mentioned yet, but Mark Mothersbaugh is doing the soundtrack for this. He had a lot of nice things to say about working with Taika Waititi, he (Mark) isn’t really a blockbuster movie guy, but Taika specifically reached out and sent him a bunch interesting demos and got him on board. The gist I got was it would be a mix of traditional orchestra and then synths. Mark seemed legitimately excited about what they were coming up with, so I’m optimistic this will have a better than normal soundtrack."

https://www.empireonline.com/movies/thor-ragnarok/thor-ragnarok-mark-mothersbaugh-composer/

And instead of leaning on choral anthems, the new score will usher in a synth symphony channeling the hypnotizing sounds of Jean-Michel Jarre.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-ca-mn-sneaks-thor-newcomers-20170903-htmlstory.html

 

[fancyarcher]

Oh Jean-Michel Jarre? That's interesting.

 

[HammerDown]

So apparently Mark Mothersbaugh did and outstanding job with the score and it's getting a lot of praise.

‘Thor: Ragnarok’ music/soundtrack is fantastic.

Loved Mark Mothersbaugh’s score

Great music (Mothersbaugh)

Mark Mothersbaugh's score might be Marvel's best.

& one of Marvel's best soundtracks!

One of the things that i absolutely loved about the first GOTG was the music because it just kept you connected the hole way and made the ride that much more enjoyable so hearing great things about the soundtrack in Thor Ragnarok makes me extremely happy.

 

[Mjölnir]

This was probably the most interesting part of the reactions since the score was clearly the biggest unknown factor this far into the waiting. It certainly sounds very promising.

 

[Finarfiniel]

I had an inkling that we were in for something special from the moment that Mothersbaugh was announced for this film, just purely because the choice was so completely outside of the box in comparison to previous MCU films. I can't wait to hear this score, when do they usually start revealing snippets on YouTube?

 

[StarLord]

I'm sure there will be samples or full tracks out soon. Maybe even by the end of this week?

Michael Giacchino had tracks out on YouTube for Spider-Man: Homecoming about 3 weeks before the movie was out.