The "I loved Spider-Man 3" Thread!

[Tempest19]

The way Raimi develops it is for the audience to think it's fun though... think about it for a second.

If Peter was "evil", him hitting MJ to the ground would not be as impactful as it is in the film. It would just be evil Peter being a prick again.

But, if you make the audience take the power trip with Peter and display it as fun... when he hits MJ to the ground, that moment is more horrifying and shocking than it would be if it was presented in the context of the "evil" scenario.

Every audience I am in has the audience having fun with Peter going on the power trip and then the second he hits MJ to the ground everything goes quiet with lots of, "oh my god, did he just do that?!" Thus, the audience is almost metaphorically slapped across the face with the message that the symbiote is bad news.

Thus, the fun is essential for the pay off to have more of an effect. Hope that makes sense...

 

[gambitfire]

^I somewhat agree that's the same reaction I got in my theatre.

I mean there is still a bit of aggressiveness to him but it's mixed with fun and carelessness...

 

[StylishHokie21]

The dance scene was fine I thought. I can't believe people were saying it dragged. It only lasted like a minute. I thought the most emotional scene though was Harry's death. My mother and sister broke down into tears. Hell...I almost did, too.

 

[StylishHokie21]

The way Raimi develops it is for the audience to think it's fun though... think about it for a second.

If Peter was "evil", him hitting MJ to the ground would not be as impactful as it is in the film. It would just be evil Peter being a prick again.

But, if you make the audience take the power trip with Peter and display it as fun... when he hits MJ to the ground, that moment is more horrifying and shocking than it would be if it was presented in the context of the "evil" scenario.

Every audience I am in has the audience having fun with Peter going on the power trip and then the second he hits MJ to the ground everything goes quiet with lots of, "oh my god, did he just do that?!" Thus, the audience is almost metaphorically slapped across the face with the message that the symbiote is bad news.

Thus, the fun is essential for the pay off to have more of an effect. Hope that makes sense...

It definitely makes sense. That's exactly how the audience reacted on my second viewing.

 

[Stupify_me]

The way Raimi develops it is for the audience to think it's fun though... think about it for a second.

If Peter was "evil", him hitting MJ to the ground would not be as impactful as it is in the film. It would just be evil Peter being a prick again.

But, if you make the audience take the power trip with Peter and display it as fun... when he hits MJ to the ground, that moment is more horrifying and shocking than it would be if it was presented in the context of the "evil" scenario.

Every audience I am in has the audience having fun with Peter going on the power trip and then the second he hits MJ to the ground everything goes quiet with lots of, "oh my god, did he just do that?!" Thus, the audience is almost metaphorically slapped across the face with the message that the symbiote is bad news.

Thus, the fun is essential for the pay off to have more of an effect. Hope that makes sense...

Sorry I don't buy that. I knew that it was evil peter and the impact of him hitting MJ still got me big time. I didn't need that absolutely ******ed dancing in the street scene. I know that the symbiote makes him evil I know that it is very dark. Conors said that it creates huge amounts of Aggression right before Peter started dancing in the street. They purposly made the thing take him over in his bed on a dark stormy night. IT was obvious that he was evil and that he wasn't just having fun. The scene did not belong.


Maybe I am to strict on script writing and movies because it is something that I have more passion for than anything else in this world.

Either way Ill agree to disagree.

 

[Astrø]

i kind of felt bad for eddy and sand man when spidey got the sybiote because he just messed up therye lives it was awsome!

 

[Tempest19]

Yeah, finally the good guy causing the villlains rather than the bad guys just acting on their own accord...

If Peter never did what he did to Eddie, there would be no Venom.

If Spider-Man never tried to kill Marko, giant Sandman would never have tried to kill Spider-Man. Notice their first fight, Sandman doesn't really want to hurt Spider-Man, he just wants money for his daughter- he even asks Spider-Man to "go".

The first hero film, I believe, to have the villains come out because of the hero.

 

[spider-neil]

The way Raimi develops it is for the audience to think it's fun though... think about it for a second.

If Peter was "evil", him hitting MJ to the ground would not be as impactful as it is in the film. It would just be evil Peter being a prick again.

But, if you make the audience take the power trip with Peter and display it as fun... when he hits MJ to the ground, that moment is more horrifying and shocking than it would be if it was presented in the context of the "evil" scenario.

Every audience I am in has the audience having fun with Peter going on the power trip and then the second he hits MJ to the ground everything goes quiet with lots of, "oh my god, did he just do that?!" Thus, the audience is almost metaphorically slapped across the face with the message that the symbiote is bad news.

Thus, the fun is essential for the pay off to have more of an effect. Hope that makes sense...

that's exactly how I and my audience reacted to the slap, one minute you are laughing your head of the next minute it was gasps or silence.

 

[Astrø]

Yeah, finally the good guy causing the villlains rather than the bad guys just acting on their own accord...

If Peter never did what he did to Eddie, there would be no Venom.

If Spider-Man never tried to kill Marko, giant Sandman would never have tried to kill Spider-Man. Notice their first fight, Sandman doesn't really want to hurt Spider-Man, he just wants money for his daughter- he even asks Spider-Man to "go".

The first hero film, I believe, to have the villains come out because of the hero.

actualy if peter would just sleep under the covers there would be no venom!

 

[Tempest19]

that's exactly how I and my audience reacted to the slap, one minute you are laughing your head of the next minute it was gasps or silence.

Exactly. And I think that's what makes it stronger... you go on the trip with Peter. If you were scared of Peter, that MJ scene would just be "big deal, more of the same." But the fun and power trip aspects of it made it a huge and impactful deal- everyone in the audience: t:

 

[Astrø]

Why dont super heros sleep under the covers???

 

[Tempest19]

Easy... because if there is a crime that you need to stop- do you want to waste your time getting out from under the bed sheets or just standing up and going off to save the day?

Simply put- saves time.

 

[The Chris]

Peter slapping MJ got the biggest "oh!" I've ever heard in a theatre. People were having a ball, and then they were shocked.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

True story: Second time I saw it a woman behind me goes when Peter slapped MJ. ''Get up and slap his ass back"

 

[Alex]

Sorry I don't buy that. I knew that it was evil peter and the impact of him hitting MJ still got me big time. I didn't need that absolutely ******ed dancing in the street scene. I know that the symbiote makes him evil I know that it is very dark. Conors said that it creates huge amounts of Aggression right before Peter started dancing in the street. They purposly made the thing take him over in his bed on a dark stormy night. IT was obvious that he was evil and that he wasn't just having fun. The scene did not belong.


Maybe I am to strict on script writing and movies because it is something that I have more passion for than anything else in this world.

Either way Ill agree to disagree.

The symbiote amplifies his characteristics, especially aggression, not just aggression. Having Connors say it just wasn't enough, they needed to show it and what's wrong with adding a little humour along the way? It's not a dark movie, it's a Spider-man movie. From the very start of the movie, Peter was arrogant and full of himself. That scene showed how much worse it gets when he has the symbiote. I agree with what others said before, because you don't want the whole movie to be dark and depressing. You want to get the audience involved and let them sort of develop a comfort level and then snatch it away very fast and that's what they did. I've seen the movie twice now and each time everyone was sort of getting into it and relaxed and enjoying and then everyone tensed up and felt uneasy.

I think you expect too much out of things and go in with certain expectations and when they're not met or they're different from what you expected/wanted things to be, you're let down. The best way to enjoy a movie is to go in with low expectations and just watch it for what it is, not for what you want.

 

[Tempest19]

I've seen the movie twice now and each time everyone was sort of getting into it and relaxed and enjoying and then everyone tensed up and felt uneasy.

Exactly. I've seen the film three times and it's always the same reaction... you can even feel the energy of the entire theater, which I have never felt before- and I go the movies two times sometimes per week. It's all about the build-up to that moment and Raimi, in my opinion, built that scene up perfectly. Because the reaction to him hitting MJ works every single time.

The audience in an instant: t:

It's really amazing.

 

[Alex]

Exactly. I've seen the film three times and it's always the same reaction... you can even feel the energy of the entire theater, which I have never felt before- and I go the movies two times sometimes per week. It's all about the build-up to that moment and Raimi, in my opinion, built that scene up perfectly. Because the reaction to him hitting MJ works every single time.

The audience in an instant: t:

It's really amazing.

Yeah, you could feel the audience was uncomfortable and uneasy as soon as it happen. A few made comments, but most of the theatre felt weirded out and no longer wanted Peter to have the symbiote.

 

[GL1]

I loved the movie, for these three reasons.

1) The energy of the crowd was awesome. We clapped, we yelled, we gasped. We actually were chanting "Spartans, what is your occupation? HARU HARU HARU!" Before the thing even started.

2) Harry became the best Spidey villain ever. He is the only one, in all Spider-Man incarnations in all media to be so close to Spidey that he can take Peter apart socially ruthlessly and love every second of it. He was so smooth, so cool with it, he instantly became the best Villain of the movies. Easily.

3) Kirsten Dunst is back. Seriously, she's been vacant for her past three or four movies. She's back now, she actually did some acting. I actually wanted MJ again... I haven't since that Chinese Dress scene in SM1.

There's more, but the movie was awesome. If it wasn't for 300, I'd say it was the best film since The Matrix in '99.

 

[Kmack]

True story: Second time I saw it a woman behind me goes when Peter slapped MJ. ''Get up and slap his ass back"

LOL! That's what I'm talking aboutup:

 

[YJ1]

The way Raimi develops it is for the audience to think it's fun though... think about it for a second.

If Peter was "evil", him hitting MJ to the ground would not be as impactful as it is in the film. It would just be evil Peter being a prick again.

But, if you make the audience take the power trip with Peter and display it as fun... when he hits MJ to the ground, that moment is more horrifying and shocking than it would be if it was presented in the context of the "evil" scenario.

Every audience I am in has the audience having fun with Peter going on the power trip and then the second he hits MJ to the ground everything goes quiet with lots of, "oh my god, did he just do that?!" Thus, the audience is almost metaphorically slapped across the face with the message that the symbiote is bad news.

Thus, the fun is essential for the pay off to have more of an effect. Hope that makes sense...

It makes perfect sense because you are 100% right. Not only does it give perfect structure to the story but it truly illustrates internal struggle and the darkness within that each hero must face and repress. Having the suit simply turn Peter evil makes him nothing more then a blameless victim. The movie version is much richer and has much more depth.

 

[JimB]

I loved this film. I just can't get enough of my favorite comic/movie character ever, and I hope they continue making more hopefully with same cast and director. Harry (James Franco) will be dearly missed though.

 

[jrotaryb]

While SM3 clearly has it's flaws, it's still a great movie and a very satisfying one in terms of the Harry/Peter plot. This was THE best part plot of the movie.

I've seen it twice so far and I plan to go again next Monday...this time @ IMAX in NYC

 

[GhostPoet]

Sorry I don't buy that. I knew that it was evil peter and the impact of him hitting MJ still got me big time. I didn't need that absolutely ******ed dancing in the street scene. I know that the symbiote makes him evil I know that it is very dark. Conors said that it creates huge amounts of Aggression right before Peter started dancing in the street. They purposly made the thing take him over in his bed on a dark stormy night. IT was obvious that he was evil and that he wasn't just having fun. The scene did not belong.


Maybe I am to strict on script writing and movies because it is something that I have more passion for than anything else in this world.

Either way Ill agree to disagree.

the street scene was AWESOME. It was a great cocky moment for bad Peter...and a great humor scene.

 

[Tempest19]

Yep, raise up- get yourself together and drive that funky soul!

Going again tonight to celebrate that all I have left in school is exams next week. Spider-Man's going great, summer is here- oh yeah, it's all great!

I like being bad. It makes me happy.

 

[Genosha]

I have to admit, Spider-Man 3 is the best Spidey film yet. I don't know, I just really enjoyed what Sam was trying to do with this one.

And it surprised me to see how bold in the direction he took Spidey with this film. There were a lot of moments where I really didn't like Spider-Man and that is essential to bringing him back to us at the end where we are cheering for him again.

I thought Grace was perfect. The guy really is a great Venom. And I loved his fight scenes. And the bell tower scene gave me goosebumps.

I felt Church didn't get as much to work with. He probably needed some more scenes with the family because we didn't really get to see him act much. He mainly was used in battle sequences, but that was cool as well.

I really, really loved MJ in this picture. I don't quite understand all the animosity towards Dunst in these movies. I'm a huge fan of the ML character and I think Dunst has been great in all 3. I really like what Raimi gave her in 3. She seemed very real here. Plus, I loved how her arc really mirrored Peter's arc from Spider-Man 2. In that movie Peter was just getting hit with bad break after bad break and in Spider-Man 3 MJ was experiencing the same thing.
Plus, I like how Raimi displayed their relationship. It had a realism to it that was quite refreshing.
Relationships are hard work and communication between people can really be difficult at times. And I think Raimi showed that difficulty and how communication between 2 people who love each other can lead to listening, but not truly understanding what the other person is saying.

This movie was a tough movie to watch. Its fun, but it has such a dark quality to it that at times I found it tough to handle. And so I give kudos to Raimi and Co. for not just giving us another straight-forward Spidey film. This movie was challenging and thats what I liked about it.

Oh, and there was only one part I didn't like. And that is that British reporter woman. She was pretty annoying and really didn't need to be there. But that was the only thing that bothered me and thats pretty minor.