The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[FrostBite]

As far as how the general public will see this? Remains to be seen, but from showing the trailer to my family last night the immediate reaction was a positive "That's more like it!"

Same reaction that I got t:. One friend chimed in with "WOW he looks A LOT more intense this time around!"

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Ang Hulk's body and animation looks way better (judging from that brief Hulk seen in the preview) and more photoreal.

Ang Hulk's main problem was that they were so worried about humanizing him that they overdid it and gave him a dopey face instead of the effing pissed off monster face that the Hulk must have.
Ang actually said "Don't make him look like a monster or an ape!"
That's what the Hulk looks like.


The main problem with the new Hulk so far is the motion. His walk was terrible and his rage flex looked awkwardly unreal in it's exaggeration...how his hands flay out before he makes fists.

Abomination looks atrocious like a boss from Resident Evil 4, only with an inferior design (I hate his tiny head. Looks like Rob Liefeld was involved. )
It doesn't help that his face looks so much like the really sub par mutants in "I Am Legend".

 

[Cth]

So about that final fight.. here's two potential scenes:

POTENTIAL SPOILERS HIDDEN

Spoiler

http://flickr.com/photos/the-magic-position/1413830808/

A car gets thrown into a bus

http://flickr.com/photos/nagem/1528154013/in/set-72157602345672499/
Throwing hummer through a window

"Incredible Hulk shooting behind the Howard Johnson in downtown Hamilton until Friday the 12th. Shoots start when it gets dark and end at around 7 am. Tonight they were throwing a hummer through a window and doing a ****load of stuff with fire."

 

[EmeraldBeast]

Ang Hulk's body and animation looks way better (judging from that brief Hulk seen in the preview) and more photoreal.

Ang Hulk's main problem was that they were so worried about humanizing him that they overdid it and gave him a dopey face instead of the effing pissed off monster face that the Hulk must have.
Ang actually said "Don't make him look like a monster or an ape!"
That's what the Hulk looks like.


The main problem with the new Hulk so far is the motion. His walk was terrible and his rage flex looked awkwardly unreal in it's exaggeration...how his hands flay out before he makes fists.

Abomination looks atrocious like a boss from Resident Evil 4, only with an inferior design (I hate his tiny head. Looks like Rob Liefeld was involved. )
It doesn't help that his face looks so much like the really sub par mutants in "I Am Legend".

I think you went overboard with the I Am Legend comparison. The CGI is still not 100%. We get this already.

 

[DorkyFresh]

sometimes you see even CGI artist that worked on thise blockbusters.but tehre are stilll a lot of people who know nothing about CGI so you can not take everyone serious.

true...i'm just putting it out there. there are a lot of people here that claim to know everything even though all they do is post on these forums but at least, if you read an opinion from someone who hangs out in a forum with other CG artists, chances are that the opinion is a little more justified in terms of CGI and visuals.

Seems like many in general liked the first film over TIH trailer rather than simply critquing CG.

actually...i did a quick count. 5 people said they prefer the new Hulk, 3 people said they don't prefer either over the other, and 11 people said they prefer Ang's Hulk. keep in mind that 1) it was a quick count 2) a lot of people on those forums don't work in the industry and 3) some of them could've possibly worked for ILM or R&H....so take it as you may.

Also, one post drew my attention as it's what I've said far to many times and people simply skip over

no, there's no NEED to compare, but there's also no NEED to post on these forums in the first place. if you don't want to compare or contrast then you don't have to, but the original Hulk was such a special fx controversy that a lot of people (including myself) can't help but to compare.

 

[FrostBite]

true...i'm just putting it out there. there are a lot of people here that claim to know everything even though all they do is post on these forums but at least, if you read an opinion from someone who hangs out in a forum with other CG artists, chances are that the opinion is a little more justified in terms of CGI and visuals.


actually...i did a quick count. 5 people said they prefer the new Hulk, 3 people said they don't prefer either over the other, and 11 people said they prefer Ang's Hulk. keep in mind that 1) it was a quick count 2) a lot of people on those forums don't work in the industry and 3) some of them could've possibly worked for ILM or R&H....so take it as you may.


no, there's no NEED to compare, but there's also no NEED to post on these forums in the first place. if you don't want to compare or contrast then you don't have to, but the original Hulk was such a special fx controversy that a lot of people (including myself) can't help but to compare.

Don't worry DorkyFish I believed you, I only read first four out of seven pages though.

True but keep in mind I doubt many who knocked the first movie were knocking the quality of the FX. General Audience members who trashed all over it weren't thinking if it looked real or not, they were thinking if it looked GOOD. Which always lead me to think it was more of an artistic distaste for it.

I personally prefer the new over old, but does that mean I think it beats it in technical aspects? No. But it just looks more visually appealing due to the new artistic direction. (For me anyway.)

All I was trying to stress with the no need to debate is, ILM and R&H are two very different companies with very different styles. ILM has ALWAYS been incredible with their techical details, and R&H has ALWAYS been a very stylistic company.

It's kind of a love/hate thing with either. As I've said before... if only there was a way to merge them into some super company.

 

[DorkyFresh]

To be honest, a professionals pov isn't always a good reflection on what the general public's pov will be: A pro, or even an aspiring pro working with the same or similar tools used to create this new Hulk, will look at it and see things (good or bad) that the average Joe simply won't. In some ways their insight to the process can serve as a hindrance to simply sitting back and taking the thing in for what it's meant to be: A visual spectacle, not a 101 object lesson in 3D graphics.

in other words, you're trying to discredit CG artists even though they're the ones making these great movies possible. gotcha...

But wouldn't any expert think something finished looks better than something not finished?
A judge would probably prefer a completed meal to one that's only half-cooked, right? Especially when the "chefs" are the caliber of ILM and Rhythm & Hues.

many of the comments left by these members were about things that won't be changed. for instance, one member hit on how new Hulk is so cut and defined that his skin looks paper thin. that is something that will not change from now until the release of the movie. like i said before, many of these members are probably not even working in the field but there were quite a few working members who made comments supporting both sides of the fence. also, several of them stated that they obviously know it's not the finished product.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I think you went overboard with the I Am Legend comparison. The CGI is still not 100%. We get this already.

I don't know what you're talking about.
They could be brothers.

with that elongated jaw, etc.
Totally looks similar.

 

[wobbly]

in other words, you're trying to discredit CG artists even though they're the ones making these great movies possible. gotcha...

I didn't say anything of the sort. What the hell is your problem?

 

[FrostBite]

I don't know what you're talking about.
They could be brothers.

with that elongated jaw, etc.
Totally looks similar.

Face area I agree they do look similar, but one thing I never liked about the I am Legend freaks was the uncanny nack to have perfectly flawless rubbery skin. With a few veins here and there. There wasn't even any differences in pigmentation thoughout their body.

Therefore I cannot say Abomination is as bad as the I Am Legend monsters.

 

[EmeraldBeast]

I don't know what you're talking about.
They could be brothers.

with that elongated jaw, etc.
Totally looks similar.

Nah, ther third cousins from their dad's uncle's grandma's side of the family. Same concept artists, same company. Still different.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Don't worry DorkyFish I believed you

damn...i'm a fish now? hehe

True but keep in mind I doubt many who knocked the first movie were knocking the quality of the FX.

i was fortunate enough to be around here when the original Hulk was released in theaters and i remember that the majority of the people complaining about the FX were saying that he didn't look realistic enough.

I didn't say anything of the sort. What the hell is your problem?

you didn't flat out say it, but you were still trying to discredit FX artists by saying that their love for their job is a hindrance when compared to the eyes of the general audience. the reason i pointed that link out is because there happen to be a lot of people here that CLAIM to be experts in CG and i wanted you guys to see people's opinions who actually post on a board dedicated to digital effects. then you tried to discredit them by saying that they're not the general audience. you didn't flat out say that you're trying to discredit them, but that's basically what you were trying to do.

btw, i don't have a problem. just pointing things out. nothing personal.

 

[Scooter]

'03 Hulk would kick '08 Hulk's ass. t:

 

[dark_b]

dorky it was nice tha tyou gave them those links.
i am doing this now for months. but belive me they will forget.

 

[FrostBite]

damn...i'm a fish now? hehe


i was fortunate enough to be around here when the original Hulk was released in theaters and i remember that the majority of the people complaining about the FX were saying that he didn't look realistic enough.

LMFAO wow.. bad typo t: oh well, you'll live. Who wouldn't want to live under the sea?

And thats because it's the SHH boards... Hulk in the TIH could have been the real Hulk filmed and slapped on screen and people would be like "Ugh... he looks fake again."

Personally I think both ILM and R&H have done a fantastic job. Really I don't think either dropped the ball, just have entirely different styles from entirely different artists.

 

[FrostBite]

'03 Hulk would kick '08 Hulk's ass. t:

Funny I thought the other way around. Oh well if 03 did manage to beat 08 and least 08 has better fashion sense.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Face area I agree they do look similar, but one thing I never liked about the I am Legend freaks was the uncanny nack to have perfectly flawless rubbery skin. With a few veins here and there. There wasn't even any differences in pigmentation thoughout their body.

Therefore I cannot say Abomination is as bad as the I Am Legend monsters.

I agree.
That's why I didn't say that Abomination was as bad as the I Am Legend monsters.
I said "It doesn't help that he looks so much like them."

I am in the "Make it look as much like the comic book as you can" camp.
If his back could've mutated like that, his ears and face could've gotten to look more like the real Abomination.

 

[FrostBite]

I agree.
That's why I didn't say that Abomination was as bad as the I Am Legend monsters.
I said "It doesn't help that he looks so much like them."

I am in the "Make it look as much like the comic book as you can" camp.
If his back could've mutated like that, his ears and face could've gotten to look more like the real Abomination.

Agreed, but I am pleasently surprised what we got didn't look like the turd monster action figure. Also surprised to hear he is green with semi-translucent skin instead of brown.

 

[Scooter]

Funny I thought the other way around. Oh well if 03 did manage to beat 08 and least 08 has better fashion sense.

That purple is quite loud...

I wonder what the reaction would have been to naked Hulk?

 

[DorkyFresh]

dorky it was nice tha tyou gave them those links.
i am doing this now for months. but belive me they will forget.

unfortunately, you're right. they will...

...i remember you telling me you're taking up a 3D course. hope that's going will for you.

Personally I think both ILM and R&H have done a fantastic job. Really I don't think either dropped the ball, just have entirely different styles from entirely different artists.

agreed...even though i prefer Ang's Hulk, i'm not totally blowing this one off. i love that he's more ripped and i want to see him in differently lighting and circumstances before i form a solid opinion.

 

[FrostBite]

That purple is quite loud...

I wonder what the reaction would have been to naked Hulk?

I think as long as it wasn't the Ultimate version of Hulk out to rape everyone people could get used to it.

Who am I kidding, an XXX rated Hulk would have doomed the movie! t:

 

[wobbly]

you didn't flat out say it, but you were still trying to discredit FX artists by saying that their love for their job is a hindrance when compared to the eyes of the general audience. the reason i pointed that link out is because there happen to be a lot of people here that CLAIM to be experts in CG and i wanted you guys to see people's opinions who actually post on a board dedicated to digital effects. then you tried to discredit them by saying that they're not the general audience. you didn't flat out say it, but it's basically what you did.

btw, i don't have a problem. just pointing things out. nothing personal.

Ok...Well to clarify, it certainly was not my intent to 'discredit' those guys and you shouldn't have been so quick to go assuming it was. I've looked over my original post again and there's nothing there but a simple observation. Tell me, do you think that observation is wrong?

As regards the artists, the fact of the matter is this: I have the upmost respect for them and only wish I could do the things they can.

 

[FrostBite]

unfortunately, you're right. they will...

...i remember you telling me you're taking up a 3D course. hope that's going will for you.



agreed...even though i prefer Ang's Hulk, i'm not totally blowing this one off. i love that he's more ripped and i want to see him in differently lighting and circumstances before i form a solid opinion.

I am already mostly in love with it, the only thing I am waiting to see is if they make the veins less awkward more solidified as if blood is truly tearing through them.

If they don't fix that I'll still be satisified but it just irked me the first time around.

 

[ArtTeacher]

'03 Hulk would kick '08 Hulk's ass. t:

...in a hotdog eating contest!
Ang's Hulk is the Kobayashi of superheroes.


I keed! I keed!

 

[smooth3006]

some of you fanboys need to grow up. nothing any director will do can ever make you 100% happy and im sick of it. yeah im really sure norton, the director and the cgi guys are reading all of your complaints and are gonna change everything just to please you.


bottom line is this movie WILL blow the 2003 version right out of the water hands down.