The Incredible Hulk CGI Thread

[Sarg92]

Sarge you can't be serious???? lmao!! You think I'd lie about it?

No, no.

I am not saying you are lying but I just watched the trailer again and cannot find that scene.

Can you give me the minutes for when the scene is shown please?

 

[Prefix]

I know it's technically a morph and not CGI, but look at the veins. They don't look like they are underneath the skin.

 

[Prefix]

First one is finished CGI or close to that and the others are unfinished CGI.

You know that for a fact?

 

[Mercurius]

In the new shot (that in clear light with Hulk showing his back to us) his muscles are so exaggerated that it look like wrinkles.

I just think this exaggeration was a bad choice, and will go against our "suspension of disbelief", that's all.

 

[Prefix]

Ang Lee's Hulk looked smooth and chubby because relaxed muscles actually look like that. This new Hulk has muscles that can only be achieved by oiling up, taking way too much steroids and constant flexing.

 

[Sarg92]

You know that for a fact?

I know that the CGI is not finished and what we see in the trailers is unfinished but I said that that pic is finished or close to finished CGI. I do not know if for a fact but to me, it seems very close to finished CGI.

In the new shot (that in clear light with Hulk showing his back to us) his muscles are so exaggerated that it look like wrinkles.

I just think this exaggeration was a bad choice, and will go against our "suspension of disbelief", that's all.

That is true. His back looks horrible! The muscles do look like wrinkles, like his skin is folding over.

 

[Prefix]

I know that the CGI is not finished and what we see in the trailers is unfinished but I said that that pic is finished or close to finished CGI. I do not know if for a fact but to me, it seems very close to finished CGI.

I'm talking about the second two shots. How do you know those specific shots are unfinished?

 

[M.O.Steel]

i love how the good shots are always "finished" and the ugly videogame looking shots are still "unfinished". trust me, it's not gonna look that different in the end product.

the hulk shots in the 03 trailers looked more-less like the movie. was it better in the movie? yes, but don't expect miracles here.

 

[Sarg92]

Ang Lee's Hulk looked smooth and chubby because relaxed muscles actually look like that. This new Hulk has muscles that can only be achieved by oiling up, taking way too much steroids and constant flexing.

Well when Hulk is in the cave with Betty, his back muscles seem pretty relaxed.

I'm talking about the second two shots. How do you know those specific shots are unfinished?

Well with Leterrier saying that the CGI is not finished yet and that the finished CGI is past King Kong and Empire saying the finished CGI is so good that it is almost photorealistic, then I assumed that most scenes in the trailer are unfinished as they do not look finished compared to the night time shots and the close up shot.

 

[FrostBite]

Ang Lee's Hulk looked smooth and chubby because relaxed muscles actually look like that. This new Hulk has muscles that can only be achieved by oiling up, taking way too much steroids and constant flexing.

But, what I don't understand is why we'd compare a monster to a body builder...?

He essentially is on roids, super-gamma-rays that release, enlarging his muscles farther than possible almost tearing through his skin (in this new design.) As for oiling?... Eh you got me there unless he's sweating a lot. Which wouldn't be a stretch since Banner's body is going through a painful metamorphosis and straining the body.

I highly doubt if you grew to 9ft, and were in a super enraged state you're muscles would be relaxed.

Either way I just see it as two different takes on the character. I am willing to look at it either way.

 

[HULKFish]

But, what I don't understand is why we'd compare a monster to a body builder...?

He essentially is on roids, super-gamma-rays that release, enlarging his muscles farther than possible almost tearing through his skin (in this new design.) As for oiling?... Eh you got me there unless he's sweating a lot. Which wouldn't be a stretch since Banner's body is going through a painful metamorphosis and straining the body.

I highly doubt if you grew to 9ft, and were in a super enraged state you're muscles would be relaxed.

Either way I just see it as two different takes on the character. I am willing to look at it either way.

LOVE IT! Thank you...

 

[Prefix]

But, what I don't understand is why we'd compare a monster to a body builder...?

Because really the Hulk is just a human being with exaggerated proportions.

He essentially is on roids, super-gamma-rays that release, enlarging his muscles farther than possible almost tearing through his skin (in this new design.) As for oiling?... Eh you got me there unless he's sweating a lot. Which wouldn't be a stretch since Banner's body is going through a painful metamorphosis and straining the body.

As an idea, it makes sense, but in execution, unless you get it nearly perfect the end result is a Hulk with weird-looking skin, which is what we have.

I highly doubt if you grew 9ft, and were in a super enraged state you're muscles would be relaxed.

As I said, the idea makes sense.

Either way I just see it as two different takes on the character. I am willing to look at it either way.

I would be more willing to if I saw both takes represented equally.

 

[FrostBite]

Because really the Hulk is just a human being with exaggerated proportions.

As an idea, it makes sense, but in execution, unless you get it nearly perfect the end result is a Hulk with weird-looking skin, which is what we have.

True, but he's also changed. He's not just your regular human with over grown muscles. Thus I highly doubt that normal body building principles would apply to him.

That to me is not why the skin looks weird, the skin just plain looks weird in some shots, others are fine, in the three screen grabs I have no problem with it, but in the roaring sequence of the first trailer and when he looks at Blonsky in disgust in this trailer, boy did I ever. It wasn't from the design principle for me (the muscles stretching out) but just the skin itself.

If it looks as it does in the car ripping scene I'll think it fantastic.

 

[Kirmit]

Because really the Hulk is just a human being with exaggerated proportions.

No he isn't. Human beings don't have super healing abilities or bullproof skin, both of which would have an effect on his look, as well as being like 100% muscle and a gamma creature. Heck even the fact his skin is green would have an effect on the way light interacts and reflects from it. See this imo is where Ang got it wrong, he just made a 15ft tall green guy not taking these other factors into consideration for a 'real world' hulk.

 

[FrostBite]

No he isn't. Human beings don't have super healing abilities or bullproof skin, both of which would have an effect on his look, as well as being like 100% muscle and a gamma creature. Heck even the fact his skin is green would have an effect on the way light interacts and reflects from it. See this imo is where Ang got it wrong, he just made a 15ft tall green guy not taking these other factors into consideration for a 'real world' hulk.

In Ang's defense, his Hulk worked for what he wanted. He treated it as an alter-ego of Banner, a release of some sort for him.

Where as this Hulk seems to want to get the point across (I mean, look at that expression on Norton's face while strapped to that chair, as well as his worried almost terrified look while captive during the campus scene before he turns!) that Hulk maybe a part of Banner, but they are trying to convey an uncontrollable beast this time around.

Rage is playing a big part in TIH, while Hulk seemed to get a bit cranky in 03, he's straight up crazy in this one. (Though thankfully not Ultimate Hulk crazy and also thankfully we see Banner exists in some way as we see in the Hulk/Betty scene in the cave.)

 

[Kirmit]

In Ang's defense, his Hulk worked for what he wanted. He treated it as an alter-ego of Banner, a release of some sort for him.

Where as this Hulk seems to want to get the point across (I mean, look at that expression on Norton's face while strapped to that chair, as well as his worried almost terrified look while captive during the campus scene before he turns!) that Hulk maybe a part of Banner, but they are trying to convey an uncontrollable beast this time around.

Rage is playing a big part in TIH, while Hulk seemed to get a bit cranky in 03, he's straight up crazy in this one. (Though thankfully not Ultimate Hulk crazy.)

I agree, I loved Hulk for what he was in '03, just after reading more and more hulk comics he didn't seem like the Hulk. I also agree this new hulk seems more like comic hulk, a uncontrollable beast who is really really peed off. I also agree about ultimate Hulk, lets hope they never use him for inspiration.

 

[Prefix]

No he isn't. Human beings don't have super healing abilities or bullproof skin, both of which would have an effect on his look, as well as being like 100% muscle and a gamma creature. Heck even the fact his skin is green would have an effect on the way light interacts and reflects from it. See this imo is where Ang got it wrong, he just made a 15ft tall green guy not taking these other factors into consideration for a 'real world' hulk.

I was talking about the basic concept of the design. The Hulk is a humanoid creature. His head is smaller, his body is bigger and wider, and he is much taller than everyone else. He is pretty much a human, design-wise. Especially when compared with the Abomination.

 

[SpandexFan]

If it makes anyone feel better, I always thought Spider-Man looked fake in his movies, especially the first one, but I managed to enjoy the Spidey films.

Superman looked fake in some of the flying shots, especially when a cape was involved, but it didn't take away from my enjoyment of the film.

I also remember watching the Ang Lee Hulk trailers and thinking how fake he looked and then watched the film and was blown away, mainly because his movement and facial expressions were so fluid.

I think that's a big thing this Hulk will be missing. I don't know if it's because of Ang Lee's experience with martial arts films but he did a great job making the CGI Hulk move like a real human being, very graceful. This current Hulk has one expression -- pissed! LOL That's cool if that's what you want in your Hulk, but bright green and purple, I still thought Ang Lee's Hulk did a terrific job making his Hulk look like a living, breathing organism.

Didn't really like the movie that much, but props where props are due.

 

[zeptron]

What I don't understand is that people hate CGI so much and blame comic movies for being CGI fests....well how else are they doing to do all of that stuff?

In Ebert's review of Transformers he said he hated all the CGI. The movie is called Transformers, which are giant robotic beings from outterspace that transform. How in the hell could that movie not have a lot of CGI based on what the movie centers around. I think that is just ridiculous.

I agree some movie have pointless CGI but for the most part, CGI is the only logical way to go in a lot of circumstances.

 

[HULKFish]

Sarge... I looked and thought that pic was at 2:14.... I guess I was wrong but somehow I got a high-res shot the same size as the other shots I did myself???

Prefix and Mercur-whatever you guys just do us all a favor and don't go see the movie and don't look at any of the pictures then you'll be happy!!! Because obviously it's just below your level of scientific explanation and they didn't consult you guys on the design and/or "rendering" so obviously you won't be able to enjoy the movie.

The rest of us will keep an opened mind while the majority of us think the new HULK is better. I guess you thought the Incredible inflated HULK scene in the foam looked real too!

Once again I liked the first movie but that scene just made me angry! That looked very fake and dumb.

 

[Superhobo]

What I don't understand is that people hate CGI so much and blame comic movies for being CGI fests....well how else are they doing to do all of that stuff?

 

[Superhobo]

Sarge you can't be serious???? lmao!! You think I'd lie about it?

Here's another impressive shot obviously done with CG... But if a person is actually involved in a shot people have a lot less to say.

That looks terrible, ha ha.

You know what those veins remind me of?

 

[M.O.Steel]

i was always for this, more than CG at least. they could make him huge using forced perspective, and make-up/prosthetic technology, it would look amazing, much more than the nonsense we're getting.

 

[FrostBite]

i was always for this, more than CG at least. they could make him huge using forced perspective, and make-up/prosthetic technology, it would look amazing, much more than the nonsense we're getting.

Uh... whatever you say I suppose. I'll never understand the prosthetic/muscle man fans.

But to each their own. I personally think CGI is the only way Hulk should be done.

 

[M.O.Steel]

worked fine for the thing and hulk is much less complicated. if you honestly feel that the only way to do it is with CG, then don't make the damn movie. wait till it gets better.

but like a said before, CG will never be able to replace a human being.