The Iran Thread

[Spider-Fett]

I AM PERSIAN

O, I am neither a terrorist nor a wife beater, I don't live in a tent and in the desert and camels are not our ways of transportation.

I speak Farsi, not Arabic.

Iran is pronounced "EERAUN" and not "I - ran" (it's not track & field)

News flash: Iran and Iraq are two different countries; Middle East is a region and NOT a continent.

Belly dancers are NOT strippers (there is no sex in the Champaign room);
Anyway, belly dancing is an Arabic dance, it never came from Iran.

Each time you play a game of chess to improve your intellect, keep in mind that it was Persians who gave you your game.

Iranian women are just as outspoken (if not more) and liberal as the European (western) women.

Iran is the first country on earth to have a lion (male) and a sun
(female) as its symbol; and the colors red, white, and green for a flag.

A beautiful country run by the wrong people, but still is the best part of
Middle East

Allow me to introduce myself:

I'M A PERSIAN. MY LAND IS IRAN!
Post this if you're proud to be a "PERSIAN"; to all Persians and more?


I just thought this was quite interesting and may give a few a better understanding.

Few people realize that Iran used to be a great ally to the U.S. before the wrong people came into power.

 

[Deadpool876]

the current government (which the US, France and Great Britain helped put in place).

The current gov't was helped put in place by them? How's that?
I thought they were against the revolution especially the U.S., hell the U.S. emabassy was taken over, and they took hostages, remember?

And I think Persia is a better name than Iran, but hey, it's your country.

 

[Jack Rabbit]

Hm.

Iran is ****ed up. And the U.S. is partially to blame.

Get ready for war, *****es.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Israel bombed Lebanon because Hezbollah had been taking Israeli soldiers captive and fire rockets into Israel on a daily basis. Then Hezbollah pull their missile launchers up next to mosques, fill the mosques full of women and children and then bring in CNN to point out how evil Israel must be to fire at religious sights where women and children were "trying to hide"

Israel has VIDEO of them doing this, that aired on the major news networks for all of an hour before they moved back onto how bad Israel must be.

Even now Hezbollah still has Israeli soldiers held captive and fire rockets into Israel on a daily basis. But that wouldn't be good ratings to the anti-war Bush hating crowd that makes up the primary viewing audience of network 'news" so you hear nothing of it.

And if our allies were so unwilling to back us then why aren't they all at the U.N. pushing against sanctions against Iran?

Hezbollah took TWO soldiers, and offered to release them in exchange for Israel releasing their soldiers that were still POWs from a war that happened a very long time ago. Israel said no, and started bombing. They were not bombing Israel at that time. They had missiles hidden throughoutt the city, yes, but Israel did not have to kill over a thousand people as retalliation for two soldiers being held captive. A few weeks later after the bombing ended talks began about releasing the soldiers, but I don't remember how they fell through.

Isreal had other options besides bombing the hell out of those cities. It was a horrible mistake, which only turned more muslims against Israel and the United States. During that bombing the Shiites in Iraq, whom we put in power, were protesting death to Israel and the United States.

You exagerate the situation horribly. They both retalliate against each other over and over again, back and forth. Israel did not have to go on this huge scale bombing. They could have used diplomacy to get their soldiers back, and they shouldn't have built on the neutral zone. I'm not saying they are the evil ones, but they should behave like the intelligent ones, if they want our protection.

 

[Spider-Bite]

This isn't a discussion about holy war or Sunnis vs Shiites. This is a discussion on whether or not if the US drafted people into the army to attack Iran if they would go. Which turned into whether or not the US would be justified in attacking Iran and whether we should question the US governments decision to do so.

Iran could be full of Vulcans instead of Muslims and if they were doing what they are doing now they would still be in dire straits. Their religion has nothing to do with it, their stance on Israel (no matter why they have that stance) and what they would do with nuclear weapons is the issue being discussed.

That is a very naive perception. It's naive to discuss one without the other. The reason is extremely important, and if you have no understanding of your enemie's reasons or motivations than you have no chance for victory. You have to take longterm development into consideration, something Bush failed to do when he invaded Iraq. He thought of it as our military can squash Iraq's military, and didn't take into consideration that Iraq's military led by Saddam was preventing a massive civil war from erupting in Iraq.

Reasons are very important especially in this conflict. The war on terror is basically one big PR war. You can't just kill all the terrorists and call it a day, because it's a war on hatred, and you can only FINISH Alquida by cutting off the hatred. If you bomb one Alquida leader, another one steps up and takes his place. More and more people are joining Alquida and giving them money. You have to take into consideration the reasons, and try to counteract those reasons. You have to counter act the hatred, and win the hearts and minds of Muslims. It is the ONLY way to win the war on terror, and you can't win their hearts and minds if you have no idea why they hate you in the first place.

 

[Spider-Bite]

It only applies to people who haven't sworn to wipe a country from the face of the earth and funds terrorist groups that blow up markets full of innocent people.

But Israel did act like terrorists and blow up markets full of innocent people.

When Bush comes out on TV and swears to destroy Iran and the Iranian people in the name of Jesus you come talk to me about the U.S. needing to not have nukes. Untill then, your arguement doesn't hold water.

Bush did claim that God told him to strike at Alquida and Iraq.

 

[Spider-Bite]

sometimes I wonder if we take such a supportive stance with Israel because of our own countrie's religous beliefs.

 

[Darthphere]

sometimes I wonder if we take such a supportive stance with Israel because of our own countrie's religous beliefs.

No, it's because they control Hollywood and have been feeding us subliminal messages in the Harry Potter movies.

 

[AhabTheArab]

have they invaded? then no.

 

[zenile]

Methink I'm too old to be drafted...

 

[Spider-Fan]

I wouldn't go. Don't mean to offend military people or lose anyone's respect, but I just couldn't pull the trigger. I would die quickly.

 

[Sandman138]

The current gov't was helped put in place by them? How's that?
I thought they were against the revolution especially the U.S., hell the U.S. emabassy was taken over, and they took hostages, remember?

And I think Persia is a better name than Iran, but hey, it's your country.

Yes, but the Revolution happened as a backlash against the Shah who the US and the UK put in power to keep Iran from making a profit off their own oil.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I'd rather live in Iran than US anyday.

 

[Prison Mike]

I AM PERSIAN

O, I am neither a terrorist nor a wife beater, I don't live in a tent and in the desert and camels are not our ways of transportation.

I speak Farsi, not Arabic.

Iran is pronounced "EERAUN" and not "I - ran" (it's not track & field)

News flash: Iran and Iraq are two different countries; Middle East is a region and NOT a continent.

Belly dancers are NOT strippers (there is no sex in the Champaign room);
Anyway, belly dancing is an Arabic dance, it never came from Iran.

Each time you play a game of chess to improve your intellect, keep in mind that it was Persians who gave you your game.

Iranian women are just as outspoken (if not more) and liberal as the European (western) women.

Iran is the first country on earth to have a lion (male) and a sun
(female) as its symbol; and the colors red, white, and green for a flag.

A beautiful country run by the wrong people, but still is the best part of
Middle East

Allow me to introduce myself:

I'M A PERSIAN. MY LAND IS IRAN!
Post this if you're proud to be a "PERSIAN"; to all Persians and more?


I just thought this was quite interesting and may give a few a better understanding.

Actually, it was the Indians (from India) who gave you the game of the chess. Not the Persians.

 

[Prison Mike]

In addition, the European ( modern version) of chess is a variation of Shatranj -- an ancient Indian game which was later transported to Persia. Then the Arabs picked up on it and it was introduced to Europe. Next time guys--- get ALL your facts straight.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

No,i may not be an American.But i know a useless war when i see it.

 

[Symbiote Hulk]

Depends if my friends would go.....

 

[Fran]

I'd go. As much as I would hate it, I would do my duty for my country.

My feelings exactly.

 

[Badger]

I can't be drafted.

 

[Symbiotic]

See ya in Canada.

 

[Addendum]

what would you do?

would you go?

I'm too old to be drafted, if it was brought back. I turned 29 last week.

So I'd simply continue to work at my job, and play video games and surf the net when I get home.

 

[Addendum]

People protest now against the war, and just like then it does nothing but lower morale and make the soldiers doubt themselves.

B.S.

The soldiers are too busy trying to keep themselves and their buddies alive. They honestly don't give a damn whether someone in the States dissents with the war or not.

 

[KevanG]

I'm Canadian so neener neener.

Nah, I'm Kidding (Not about the Canadian part, the neener neener bit) But still Drafting because they're fighting 4 different wars at the same time is a little ridiculous. Finish one war before starting others Bush. I'd hate to be the next president coming inafterwards.

My friends and I have a little bet going on, as to how long it'll be before the next civil war. We all agree it'll be about 10 years or so before it's a war inside the country again.

 

[BatMatt]

If I was drafted I would enlist in a branch that has less combat, like the Navy or Coast Guard. I wouldn't want to go into battle, I'd be very scared

 

[Jack Rabbit]

I've already enlisted.