Joker "The Joker" in development with Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese attached? - Part 2

[WhoMani]

Phoenix has to get nominated for best actor.

 

[Greenlite]

Let's travel back to 2017 and tell everyone Joker's gonna make a billion dollars without China!!

 

[geosphere]

It will hit a billion by next week. whether it be during the week or after Sunday is anyone's guess.

 

[Micromind]

Lawrence Sher (for Cinematography) and Hildur Guðnadóttir (for OST ) deserve to be nominated for Oscars too.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

‘Joker,’ ‘Game of Thrones’ Lead Make-Up Artists and Hair Stylists Guild Nominations

FEATURE-LENGTH MOTION PICTURE – BEST CONTEMPORARY MAKE-UP
Avengers: Endgame (John Blake, Francisco Perez)
Bombshell (Vivian Baker, Cristina Waltz, Richard Redlefsen)
Hustlers (Margot Boccia, Roxanne Rizzo)
John Wick: Parabellum (Stephen M. Kelley, Anna Stachow)
Us (Scott Wheeler, Tym Shutchai Buacharern, Sabrina Castro)

FEATURE-LENGTH MOTION PICTURE – BEST PERIOD AND/OR CHARACTER MAKE-UP
Downton Abbey (Anne Nosh Oldham, Elaine Browne, Sam Smart)
Dolemite is My Name (Vera Steimberg, Debra Denson, Deborah Huss-Humphries)
Joker (Nicki Ledermann, Tania Ribalow, Sunday Englis)
Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood (Heba Thorisdottir, Gregory Funk)
Rocketman (Lizzie Yianni Georgiou, Tapio Salmi, Laura Solari)

FEATURE-LENGTH MOTION PICTURE – BEST SPECIAL MAKE-UP EFFECTS
Bombshell (Kazu Hiro, Vivian Baker, Richard Redlefsen)
Captain Marvel (Brian Sipe, Alexei Dmitriew, Sabrina Wilson)
It (Sean Sansom, Shane Zander, Iantha Goldberg)
Rocketman (Barrie Gower, Lizzie Yianni Georgiou, Victoria Money)
The Irishman (Mike Marino, Mike Fontaine, Carla White)

FEATURE-LENGTH MOTION PICTURE – BEST CONTEMPORARY HAIR STYLING
Bombshell (Anne Morgan, Jaime Leigh McIntosh, Adruitha Lee)
Hustlers (Angel De Angelis, Dierdre Harris)
John Wick: Parabellum (Kerrie Smith, Therese Ducey)
Joker (Kay Georgiou, Vanessa Anderson)
The Laundromat (Marie Larkin, Yvette Stone, J. Roy Helland)

FEATURE-LENGTH MOTION PICTURE – BEST PERIOD AND/OR CHARACTER HAIR STYLING
Downton Abbey (Anne Nosh Oldham, Elaine Browne, Marc Pilcher)
Dolemite is My Name (Carla Joi Farmer, Stacey Morris, Linda Villalobos)
Maleficent: Mistress of Evil (Audrey Futterman-Stern)
Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood (Janine Rath-Thompson, Michelle Diamantides)
Rocketman (Lizzie Yianni Georgiou, Tapio Salmi, Laura Solari)

 

[8ulk87]

Thats not based on NET PROFIT though.

Endgame probably earned close to a billion profit, based on Deadline’s article, Joker was already close to IW with about 450M profit, and they were basing it on around 925M box office, so Joker is gonna beat IW profit wise.

Endgame has the highest profit still, but ratio wise, as in risk reward, Joker takes the cake.

EndGame has a NET PROFIT of around $800 million.
Infinity War is at around $530 million.
Joker will have a NET PROFIT of around $425 milion assuming a final gross of $1050 mil.

Net profit is not the same as return on investement or other metrics other people use.
And for me Net profit is the best metric. How much it actually made after all expenses are accounted for.

Buf for some people its more of a win if u put 1 mil and get back 101 than putting 100 mill and getting back 200 even thought the net profit is the same or putting 100 mil and getting back 250 which makes you an actuak bigger profit.

So it is what it is.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

‘Joker’ becomes first film in 10 years to top UK box office for six weeks

 

[Gothamsknight]

Lawrence Sher (for Cinematography) and Hildur Guðnadóttir (for OST ) deserve to be nominated for Oscars too.

Agreed completely

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

 

[Greenlite]

Thats not based on NET PROFIT though.



EndGame has a NET PROFIT of around $800 million.
Infinity War is at around $530 million.
Joker will have a NET PROFIT of around $425 milion assuming a final gross of $1050 mil.

Net profit is not the same as return on investement or other metrics other people use.
And for me Net profit is the best metric. How much it actually made after all expenses are accounted for.

Buf for some people its more of a win if u put 1 mil and get back 101 than putting 100 mill and getting back 200 even thought the net profit is the same or putting 100 mil and getting back 250 which makes you an actuak bigger profit.

So it is what it is.

‘Avengers: Infinity War’ Is King Of Marvel Universe In 2018 Movie Profits – Deadline

‘Joker’ To Rake In Half-Billion In Profit On Par With ‘Avengers: Infinity War’ – Deadline

Can we get back to using accurate projections and reported numbers from trades please?

Joker's projected for 464M based on a final b.o. of 900M, it's way past that now and will beat 1B by comfortably

While they had IW around 500M

So my statement remains valid - Joker will beat IW net profit wise, based on trade reports.

Especially Joker doesn't have a penny coming from China, so the box office profit's gonna be higher worldwide when we count the extra 100+M box office receipt (take 40-50% of 100+M would be 40-50M+ putting Joker around 504M-514M net profit)

 

[8ulk87]

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‘Avengers: Infinity War’ Is King Of Marvel Universe In 2018 Movie Profits – Deadline

‘Joker’ To Rake In Half-Billion In Profit On Par With ‘Avengers: Infinity War’ – Deadline

Can we get back to using accurate projections and reported numbers from trades please?

Joker's projected for 464M based on a final b.o. of 900M, it's way past that now and will beat 1B by comfortably

While they had IW around 500M

So my statement remains valid - Joker will beat IW net profit wise, based on trade reports.

Especially Joker doesn't have a penny coming from China, so the box office profit's gonna be higher worldwide when we count the extra 100+M box office receipt (take 40-50% of 100+M would be 40-50M+ putting Joker around 504M-514M net profit)

You dont get it do you ? Those reports dont measure NET PROFIT which is what counts.
How much money they actually made that is PROFIT.

IW earned $2048 mil WW. Half of that goes to theater owners regardless what you read on any trade.

Leaves IW with 1024 mil at best.

The combined production & marketing budget of IW is way north of $400 mil so the ACTUAL PROFIT is aroung $500-550 mil.

EndGame made $2798 mil. Half of that goes to theaters. Slightly more than half since $630 mil came from China which keeps close to 2/3.

So with $1400 mil at best we need to deduct around $550-600 mil which was the production & marketing cost for the movie which leaves us with $800 mil profit for EG.

I dont care what you read on any trade site.

As far as Joker is concerned assuming a $1050 mil final gross means $525 mil is clear profit.

$525 mil whether you like it or not. Now decuct the production and marketing cost and Joker will make a CLEAR NET PROFIT of around $425-450 mil.

PERIOD.

Im talking about NET PROFIT.

Those reports you re talking about are measuring ROI and other ratios.

 

[Rodimus]

You dont get it do you ? Those reports dont measure NET PROFIT which is what counts.
How much money they actually made that is PROFIT.

IW earned $2048 mil WW. Half of that goes to theater owners regardless what you read on any trade.

Leaves IW with 1024 mil at best.

The combined production & marketing budget of IW is way north of $400 mil so the ACTUAL PROFIT is aroung $500-550 mil.

EndGame made $2798 mil. Half of that goes to theaters. Slightly more than half since $630 mil came from China which keeps close to 2/3.

So with $1400 mil at best we need to deduct around $550-600 mil which was the production & marketing cost for the movie which leaves us with $800 mil profit for EG.

I dont care what you read on any trade site.

As far as Joker is concerned assuming a $1050 mil final gross means $525 mil is clear profit.

$525 mil whether you like it or not. Now decuct the production and marketing cost and Joker will make a CLEAR NET PROFIT of around $425-450 mil.

PERIOD.

Im talking about NET PROFIT.

Those reports you re talking about are measuring ROI and other ratios.

Forgive me if I dont think your grasp of the numbers is as good as you think it is...

Ive been saying it wont hit a billion since the start despite the big numbers.

Your projections are correct but they dont take into account the hit Joker will take from Midway and Dark Fate AND the fact that OS numbers will take a steep decline after next week due to the fact it opened a week earlier.

A billion isnt happening.

 

[Greenlite]

You dont get it do you ? Those reports dont measure NET PROFIT which is what counts.
How much money they actually made that is PROFIT.

IW earned $2048 mil WW. Half of that goes to theater owners regardless what you read on any trade.

Leaves IW with 1024 mil at best.

The combined production & marketing budget of IW is way north of $400 mil so the ACTUAL PROFIT is aroung $500-550 mil.

EndGame made $2798 mil. Half of that goes to theaters. Slightly more than half since $630 mil came from China which keeps close to 2/3.

So with $1400 mil at best we need to deduct around $550-600 mil which was the production & marketing cost for the movie which leaves us with $800 mil profit for EG.

I dont care what you read on any trade site.

As far as Joker is concerned assuming a $1050 mil final gross means $525 mil is clear profit.

$525 mil whether you like it or not. Now decuct the production and marketing cost and Joker will make a CLEAR NET PROFIT of around $425-450 mil.

PERIOD.

Im talking about NET PROFIT.

Those reports you re talking about are measuring ROI and other ratios.

Lol dude global p and a in the trade report IS "marketign and distribution" for joker, for IW it's worldwide prints and ads, 150M plus 140M participation.

Deadline did the same metrics for both and the net profit is gonna be both over 500M

I would trust the trades than you mumbling about how profit after deducting p and a is not net profit, this only fools the people who have no idea about b.o.

You are telling everyone to trust you and don't trust the trades, who get their info directly from the industry and studios. Where did you get yours?

And you are confusing my deadline articles with Scott mendeslon's which is talking about the ratio.

 

[Arachnerd]

Figures the guy with the Endgame avatar doesn't think that Joker is doing as well as it is.

 

[Boom]

Big who cares to whatever this stupid argument is.

 

[geosphere]

Figures the guy with the Endgame avatar doesn't think that Joker is doing as well as it is.

@8ulk87 actually seems pretty genuine to me. And while I agree with @Greenlite 's points because I read those same articles he has shared myself, I actually respect and like both 8ulk87 and Greenlite a lot. And I honestly don't think 8ulk87 has any ulterior motives. He has been pulling for this film like the rest of us. And he swallows his pride and admits he is wrong(if he believes he is wrong). At least as far as I can tell. I know we are all on a forum and none of us really know each other personally but that is my sense of things anyway.

 

[dennis_3107]

You dont get it do you ? Those reports dont measure NET PROFIT which is what counts.
How much money they actually made that is PROFIT.

IW earned $2048 mil WW. Half of that goes to theater owners regardless what you read on any trade.

Leaves IW with 1024 mil at best.

The combined production & marketing budget of IW is way north of $400 mil so the ACTUAL PROFIT is aroung $500-550 mil.

EndGame made $2798 mil. Half of that goes to theaters. Slightly more than half since $630 mil came from China which keeps close to 2/3.

So with $1400 mil at best we need to deduct around $550-600 mil which was the production & marketing cost for the movie which leaves us with $800 mil profit for EG.

I dont care what you read on any trade site.

As far as Joker is concerned assuming a $1050 mil final gross means $525 mil is clear profit.

$525 mil whether you like it or not. Now decuct the production and marketing cost and Joker will make a CLEAR NET PROFIT of around $425-450 mil.

PERIOD.

Im talking about NET PROFIT.

Those reports you re talking about are measuring ROI and other ratios.

Those reports Greenlite post report net profit.

And next time if you want to be clear and pedantic, please use gross profit and net profit, otherwise it may make you seem confusing and not grasping it.

Joker may not beet Endgame and i dont think any trade report saying it is but infinity war is close and beatable.

 

[Arachnerd]

@8ulk87 actually seems pretty genuine to me. And while I agree with @Greenlite 's points because I read those same articles he has shared myself, I actually respect and like both 8ulk87 and Greenlite a lot. And I honestly don't think 8ulk87 has any ulterior motives. He has been pulling for this film like the rest of us. And he swallows his pride and admits he is wrong(if he believes he is wrong). At least as far as I can tell. I know we are all on a forum and none of us really know each other personally but that is my sense of things anyway.

That was a joke, mate.

 

[geosphere]

That was a joke, mate.

lol sorry bro i didn't realize.

 

[Rod]

wow!

 

[craigaat]

Why would that you're yuppie know all the words to Send In The Clowns? Unrealistic. Zero stars.

 

[dhandler01]

Why wouldnt they? The movie takes place in 1981 and the song is from the early 1970s...are you saying you dont know songs from a decade ago?

 

[8ulk87]

Lol dude global p and a in the trade report IS "marketign and distribution" for joker, for IW it's worldwide prints and ads, 150M plus 140M participation.

Deadline did the same metrics for both and the net profit is gonna be both over 500M

I would trust the trades than you mumbling about how profit after deducting p and a is not net profit, this only fools the people who have no idea about b.o.

You are telling everyone to trust you and don't trust the trades, who get their info directly from the industry and studios. Where did you get yours?

And you are confusing my deadline articles with Scott mendeslon's which is talking about the ratio.

Its fine if you trust the trades more than me. I didnt ask you to trust me more nor is it my wish

Joker is one of the most successful films in history there is no debate there.

Did it beat EndGame. No way any way you spin it.

Did it beat Infinity War. NOT with the $900 mil gross yhe graph on your posted image shows.

Will it beat IW with a gross of $1050 mil that its heading for ? Depends on how you measure the production & marketing costs. Its pretty close.

I say IW wins or its a tie. Deadline says Joker wins. Does it matter ? I dont think so cause the difference is miniscule.

Im not counting home video revenue like your graph does.

Joker will have a net profit of $425 mil from the $1050 mil WW total. The math is pretty clear. The $464 mil your graph shows is with home video revenue etc.

Infinity War has a net profit of over $500 mil if you assume a $500 mil production + marketing cost. You want to bump that cost to $600 mil ? Im fine with that its not like its surprises me.

Then the 2 movies are on par. No way IW loses because the TV & home video revenue of IW will be bigger and it will cover any additional marketing cost IW may have had.

You trust your trades thats fine. I dont see how Joker surpases IW with a $1050 mil WW gross.

 

[bapi]

LOL

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Why Joaquin Phoenix likes your 'Joker' theories. He's also got his own