The Dark Knight Rises The Joker's Role in the Third Film

[Hyden]

I think it's been out there, even before Begins was released, that they were gonna let the Joker live to come back in 3 for this planned trilogy (it was said by Goyer in some interviews as to the general structure of the sequels)
But with all the room being made for Two-Face for 3, what role will the Joker have to play? No doubt Joker is a focal major focus of this film, but I can't imagine his story concluding before Batmans and frankly, I can't get enough of the Heath Joker and how he's seeming to fit in to Nolan's world so perfectly. If 3 is to be the final act in the Nolanverse, I can't imagine there not being some room made for a last laugh/final showdown with the ultimate of arch-nemeses.
So, how do you think Joker should be handled for 3? And how will he stand with Harvey?
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Thread Addendum

There's nothing wrong with discussion on this topic, fanciful as it might be in lieu of Nolan's statements. The director has been consistent in his aversion to Dick Grayson's inclusion in the series and I see no swelling of support, calling for removal of that topic from the forum's offerings. The same can be said for any other number of existing threads here concerning ideas that don't have the proverbial snowball's chance of coming to fruition.

I was under the impression that a commonality of respect could be afforded in carrying on here without too much bellyaching. Alternatively, that such bickering would subside in time. Apparently not.

This is simple. There's a difference between voicing an opinion and trolling and there's certainly no mandate to post in this thread. Those who can do nothing but repeatedly decry the thread's presence, make their lot toward the latter and be will be infracted/probated/removed/cast to the lions. Get over it.

 

[GregComicFan]

There's not really any way to say until TDK comes out...

How does the Joker end up?
incarcerated?
on the loose?

What is the Joker's relationship to Two-Face?
Hateful?
Neutral?
do they team-up?

I do think it will be challenging to give Two-Face top billing with the Joker still running around. The Joker ALWAYS steals the steam away from all other villains. But somehow it'll work out...

 

[dolfan55aj]

uh oh, Joker in the third installment, i say bad idea...we've seen movies with more than one main villain and they didn't work out that great...at least of what I remember

 

[GregComicFan]

Sometimes it works... sometimes it doesn't...

Batman Begins...

Joe Chill
Mr. Zsasz
Falcone
Scarecrow
Ras Al Ghul

all of them were used well, had multiple scenes, and all of them were villains...

 

[RobC]

Joker should definitely be in the 3rd. Killing off the villians was one of the major flaws in the Burton/Schumacher films IMO.

Keep him in, but give him a reduced role. Nolan ill sort it though, has he let us down with any *major* pacing or plotting elements so far?

I guarantee that now i'll get a hundred replies about how he has...

 

[Punk&ComicBooks]

Wat i would like-

1.Ofcourse the joker not being killed off

2.Two-face is definatley the main villain for the third

3.I dont want the joker in any action scenes at all as a matter of fact. I would rather his whole role be played in Arkham, in his cell, in that straight jacket.

Now heres the part where a lot of you will jump down my throat for not knowing what the hell it is `exactly` that I want- Theres something that the joker knows that batman needs to find out in order to catch two-face....what is it? Guess what i dont kno, maybe it`ll be lyk something from silence of the lambs where you need to get in the mind of a psychopath in order to help catch another. But thats my basic concept and the reason why I would want it that way is because we`re going to get all the joker in TDK, lets be fair- he`s the main villain then and two-face will take the glory in the third.

 

[TLH]

I agree with keeping the Joker in Arkham for the third movie, perhaps with Batman having no choice but to consult him for some information. How awesome would it be to see Heath's Joker in a straightjacket, defeated and locked up for good...confronted by somebody of power who needs him. That would be so awesome. I can see it now. The dark lighting in the cell, the Joker coming out of nowhere. Grr...want...Joker...now.

 

[Punk&ComicBooks]

^yup! and ofcourse batmans task of getting the joker to talk wont be an easy one. Seeing that challenge will be interesting as well

 

[Mr. Socko]

Sometimes it works... sometimes it doesn't...

Batman Begins...

Joe Chill
Mr. Zsasz
Falcone
Scarecrow
Ras Al Ghul

all of them were used well, had multiple scenes, and all of them were villains...

In the context of the film, Zsasz was not a villain...yet people always say he is simply because he's a villain in the comics. Zsasz was simply a cameo in the film, he did nothing but stand around, what was villainous about him? Nothing that I can think of. In all honesty, Flass was much more of a villain in Batman Begins than Zsasz.

He was no more of a threat or villain than any of the other random thugs you saw in the film, I don't see you listing the man with the gun yelling "where are you" as a villain. They had about the same amount of screentime. In Batman Begins they simply pegged the name "Zsasz" to a random thug who was in two scenes, and wasn't the major focus of either of them. He didn't even look like the character, so for that matter, he was ZINO in a way. As much of a way as he was a villain...

 

[Punk&ComicBooks]

Ok well maybe Zsasz shouldnt be ranked as a villain in the sense that he didnt do anything in the film...but you dont even have to be a comic reader to kno that that dude was definatley a bad guy lol. I`m not too familiar with his character in the comics but at least they had all the stitchy looking scars and stuff when it comes to appearance.

 

[Reflectionist]

Now heres the part where a lot of you will jump down my throat for not knowing what the hell it is `exactly` that I want- Theres something that the joker knows that batman needs to find out in order to catch two-face....what is it? Guess what i dont kno, maybe it`ll be lyk something from silence of the lambs where you need to get in the mind of a psychopath in order to help catch another. But thats my basic concept and the reason why I would want it that way is because we`re going to get all the joker in TDK, lets be fair- he`s the main villain then and two-face will take the glory in the third.

This kind of made me laugh, because it reminded me of something... lol.

Gordon: Could be any one of them, but which one? W— which ones?
O'Hara: [gasps]
Batman: Pretty fishy what happened to me on that ladder.
Gordon: You mean, where there's a fish, there could be a Penguin.
Robin: But wait! It happened at sea! See? "C" for Catwoman!
Batman: Yet... an exploding shark was pulling my leg!
Gordon: The Joker!
O'Hara: [It] all adds up to a sinister riddle. Riddle-er. Riddler?
Gordon: Oh! A thought strikes me! So dreadful I scarcely dare give it utterance.
Batman: The four of them. Their forces combined...
Robin: Holy nightmare!

From "Batman (1966)"

 

[thejon93]

I think it's been out there, even before Begins was released, that they were gonna let the Joker live to come back in 3 for this planned trilogy (it was said by Goyer in some interviews as to the general structure of the sequels)
But with all the room being made for Two-Face for 3, what role will the Joker have to play? No doubt Joker is a focal major focus of this film, but I can't imagine his story concluding before Batmans and frankly, I can't get enough of the Heath Joker and how he's seeming to fit in to Nolan's world so perfectly. If 3 is to be the final act in the Nolanverse, I can't imagine there not being some room made for a last laugh/final showdown with the ultimate of arch-nemeses.
So, how do you think Joker should be handled for 3? And how will he stand with Harvey?

I read somewhere that the third film would be a sorta "Trial of The Joker" set-up but I don't know whether that's going down or not.

 

[killingyouguy]

I know Goyer said that they were going to have Joker scar Dent in the third movie, but we know that's not going to happen. Dent gets scarred in TDK. I see no reason for Joker to be in the third.

I don't want to see him killed off, just sent to Arkham. Keeping the option to bring the character back in the future open. But in BB3 I want the focus on Two-Face and whoever the other villain will be (hopefully Catwoman).

 

[elgato]

He's been put in control at Arkaham, after the Scarecrow's incident (BB) the director hires a new psychiatrist, doctor Harleen Milerr. She's interested in Joker's origin and motifs, unconciously, she starts falling in love with him. One night, the Joker intents scaping and Batman stops and outrageously beats him, Harleen gets impacted with the way his Mr J. was beat up, that she turns a frak like him and helps him scape, then, he plans a way to kill Batman once and for all

Spoiler

(that's all part of the SHADOW OF THE BAT SCRIPT I'M WORKIN' ON)

 

[ashminator]

Wat i would like-

1.Ofcourse the joker not being killed off

2.Two-face is definatley the main villain for the third

3.I dont want the joker in any action scenes at all as a matter of fact. I would rather his whole role be played in Arkham, in his cell, in that straight jacket.

Now heres the part where a lot of you will jump down my throat for not knowing what the hell it is `exactly` that I want- Theres something that the joker knows that batman needs to find out in order to catch two-face....what is it? Guess what i dont kno, maybe it`ll be lyk something from silence of the lambs where you need to get in the mind of a psychopath in order to help catch another. But thats my basic concept and the reason why I would want it that way is because we`re going to get all the joker in TDK, lets be fair- he`s the main villain then and two-face will take the glory in the third.

yes i would of said it exactly the smae

 

[ashminator]

but at the end or near to it if he esacapes and its left open or somthing dramatic happens because of it before being caught and sent back in the loony bin

 

[olemonica]

In the end you see The Joker talking to a shrink(that would be Harley Quinn).

And in the end of the end you see Two-Face wanting revenge.


that's how i hope it will be.

 

[ashminator]

happiness = reality minus expectations

nolan hasnt made a bad film yet im sure we will all be pleased in the end no matter what

 

[Spideyfan01]

I agree with keeping the Joker in Arkham for the third movie, perhaps with Batman having no choice but to consult him for some information. How awesome would it be to see Heath's Joker in a straightjacket, defeated and locked up for good...confronted by somebody of power who needs him. That would be so awesome. I can see it now. The dark lighting in the cell, the Joker coming out of nowhere. Grr...want...Joker...now.

I kind of like this idea, but I'd like to see Joker escape later in the film and be a major threat again.

 

[weezerspider]

I read somewhere that the third film would be a sorta "Trial of The Joker" set-up but I don't know whether that's going down or not.

Yeah I read that too. I'd like that for the first part. Then in the middle, he could be in Arkham and confronted by Batman. In the finale, he could break out and clash with Batman one last time.

 

[Reflectionist]

So, from what we know about TDK, the mob turns to the Joker, a man they "didn't fully understand." And the guy who replaces Falcone at the helm is Maroni. And Maroni scars Dent in the court scene. And considering Dent is in a pact with Gordon and Batman to capture the Joker throughout TDK....


I think it's pretty obvious that Dent knows that the Joker is sort of heading up the Mob, so indirectly, the Joker scars Dent. Wouldn't that set the stage nicely for Two-Face to want revenge on the Joker throughout Batman 3?

Keep in mind the Justice over Revenge thing : Dent wouldn't go this way anymore. After being scarred I would guess he goes through a super depressed state and comes out on the other side in a Ra's Al Ghul state of mind where "Gotham is beyond saving" and revenge is the only way to take out the Joker. Collateral Damage ensues to the max, and Two-Face becomes this monster hell-bent on destroying the Joker.

Batman gets more caught up with it after trying to wrestle with Dent's monster and trying to continue capturing the Joker, while at the same time trying to prevent anymore collateral damage.

 

[Zooks]

TDK has Harvey Dent and the Joker... I don't see the issue with the third movie having Two Face and the Joker, with the characters swapping importance with Maroni being replaced by another villain like Catwoman, Penguin, or Black Mask. The Joker should be a wildcard. Any alliance with any character should not be a stable one. Mask of the Phantasm did a good job of including the Joker but not neccessarily making him the true villain or giving him a lot of screentime.

 

[ashminator]

^ indeed

but if the joker is in the third no matter how small people will just be counting the screen time till he appears, i dont want it long winded with the joker unless its done as discusedin arkam but to be honest why would they do it like that the studio would say its too silence of the lambs and manhunter

now weve all been teased weith the joker and two face isnt there room for anyone else? for part three?

 

[DoctorJones]

Keep in mind the Justice over Revenge thing : Dent wouldn't go this way anymore. After being scarred I would guess he goes through a super depressed state and comes out on the other side in a Ra's Al Ghul state of mind where "Gotham is beyond saving" and revenge is the only way to take out the Joker. Collateral Damage ensues to the max, and Two-Face becomes this monster hell-bent on destroying the Joker.

Batman gets more caught up with it after trying to wrestle with Dent's monster and trying to continue capturing the Joker, while at the same time trying to prevent anymore collateral damage.

I think that's pretty much going to be TDK's third act. Depends really, but I'm unsure myself of how big Joker's role should be again. I myself was pleasantly surprised as to how important Davy Jones was in AWE, so there's always room I guess.

I definitely support the idea of having Joker playing Hannibal Lecter to Harleen Quinzel's Clarice.

 

[He-Man]

Wow.
RIP Ledger :-(

Should the Joker be recast for the 3rd movie or just have him mysteriously disappear and move onto other characters?