Crowley9 said:
There's much more to Cain than just "petty vendetta" and "daddy issues". Do tell me, how many times has he tried to kill Charles?
It was the entire reason he became a supervillain in the first place! He found the gem, became the Juggernaut, and the first thing he tried to do (while walking at a slow and steady pace, for some reason) was go to Charles' house and kill him. He fought the X-Men, the X-Men won, and he's had a grudge against them ever since. Everything he's done since then started when he tried to kill Charles.
As for the age issue, hasn't it been clear for ages that time does not progress in Marvel universe at the same pace as in the real world? For example Tony Stark and Jimmy Rhodes met in the Vietnam war as young men, but they obviously are not pushing sixty ny now.
Oh, please. We all know that Charles and Magneto are very old men. The only reason Charles looks younger than he should is because the Shi'ar cloned him a younger body. Point is, Cain is (and has always been) Chuck's
older brother.
Even if we were to accept Juggernaut being on the side of the good guys, he could still be plenty gritty and rough about it (case in point: Wolverine). Instead, personality-wise he seems to have turned into the most docile thing on earth, which is simply absurd. Cain took endless verbal abuse from other X-Men and did nothing but grumble about it to himself. In New Excalibur he politely let himself be apprehended by the police while the other teammembers were off battling supervillains. How ridiculous is that? In that situation even Captain freaking America would've brushed off the good officer telling him that he had more important things to attend.
Don't look at me. I'm defending Cain becoming a good guy having a connection with a couple of students at the school, not taking his insults lying down.
Also, I think the comparison to Wolverine is a little unfair. Wolverine is a trained killing machine turned good. Juggernaut is a glorified, super-powered, gang-banging thug turned good.
Would you mind telling me where it has been stated that the gem of Cyttorak is evil?
I don't know. Something about Cain and the other Avatars of the 8 gods supposedly enslaving the human race and battling until one Avatar is left standing... sounds kinda evil to me.
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I haven't seen anything evil in Juggernaut's personality that couldn't be found in your average street thug. He has been capable for acting like a decent human being (for one of the best examples see X-Force #31).
My theory is that the gem didn't so much make him evil, as it withheld his goodness. And let's not forget that the first thing he tried to do once becoming the Juggernaut was kill a man he had merely bullied in the past.
Juggernaut was a grown-ass, elderly man who couldn't get out of the mindset he had in his early 20s until after the gem started losing his grip on him. Am I the only one who sees a connection?
And anyway, when Magneto went through his good guy stage back in the 1980s, he had grown quite docile... until the next writer came along and made him evil and sin again.
