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[Herolee10]

I'd agree, but there was really no momentum at all. The cast was doing the heavy lifting of doing the promotions themselves. Not a squeak/peep from the directors, producers, or the studio. Also, no cast appearances on talk shows? JL came and went with barely a whisper. It was really sad to see.

Indeed. The film that should have matter the most ended up barely making a dent in the long run.

It's not so much that the film is terrible as opposed to how disappointing it is when you think about the potential that a property like this had.

If "Justice League" had been released before the first Avengers or even before Nolan's "Dark Knight", I think it would have perhaps fared a bit better at the Box Office. But with filmmakers constantly raising the bar on what a comic book genre film can be, "Justice League" just didn't meet the normal standards that people have come to possess nowadays.

 

[Micromind]

There's need to evaluate who thought it was a good idea to put Justice League movie in between the release of Thor Ragnarok and Star Wars The Last Jedi ?

Even if the movie (JL) had a period of a month to make money, the problem was.. most people would have preferred to save their money to see SW:TLJ or go for multiple viewings of Thor Ragnarok as JL had little momentum in it's favor.

WB must have known that this movie had multiple issues during production, so who's bright idea was it to position this movie between two 'must see' movies that had enough momentum their favor ?

JL's release date was badly managed.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

new thread, new me

 

[Micromind]

This is new too.

 

[Herolee10]

There's need to evaluate who thought it was a good idea to put Justice League movie in between the release of Thor Ragnarok and Star Wars The Last Jedi ?

Even if the movie (JL) had a period of a month to make money, the problem was.. most people would have preferred to save their money to see SW:TLJ or go for multiple viewings of Thor Ragnarok as JL had little momentum in it's favor.

WB must have known that this movie had multiple issues during production, so who's bright idea was it to position this movie between two 'must see' movies that had enough momentum their favor ?

JL's release date was badly managed.

Yeah, Warner Bros really backed themselves into a corner with this one.

If I'm not mistaken, I think they had scheduled this movie to come out in Fall 2017 prior to the reception of BvS, thinking (or hoping) that BvS would be a hit and that there wouldn't be any issues heading into JL where they wouldn't have to spend extra time in reshaping their long term plans or the film's structure/narrative.

If BvS had been the big hit that they had all hoped for then I think they would have felt even more confident with their choice to release the film in November as opposed to releasing it in an already packed blockbuster summer.

 

[markjoedelonge]

There's need to evaluate who thought it was a good idea to put Justice League movie in between the release of Thor Ragnarok and Star Wars The Last Jedi ?

Even if the movie (JL) had a period of a month to make money, the problem was.. most people would have preferred to save their money to see SW:TLJ or go for multiple viewings of Thor Ragnarok as JL had little momentum in it's favor.

WB must have known that this movie had multiple issues during production, so who's bright idea was it to position this movie between two 'must see' movies that had enough momentum their favor ?

JL's release date was badly managed.

Very true. Which is why finding a spot in March 2018 would have been better.

 

[Greenlite]

https://***********/I_Am_MFR/status/950820545377046531

Starts from 29min of the podcast

He's saying
1) he's now hearing more and more about MOS2 happening with Cavill, won't be called MOS2

2) WB's suppose to announce an updated slate and brand this month before JL was released, included in the slate was MOS2 (director and date announcement) and SS2 (dates)

3) having trouble locking down a director, he "feels" they need to at least develop the movie within 3 years (JL doesn't count, so BvS march 2016, might not want to risk leaving it till 2019), will find the right time to announce after hiring a director soon

4) Rock/his agent/HC put it out to WB they want Sup and Black Adam to interact, so they were going for Sup cameo in BA, not BA appearing in MOS2 as rumored last year.

 

[idiot09]

https://***********/I_Am_MFR/status/950820545377046531

Starts from 29min of the podcast

He's saying
1) he's now hearing more and more about MOS2 happening with Cavill, won't be called MOS2

2) WB's suppose to announce an updated slate and brand this month before JL was released, included in the slate was MOS2 (director and date announcement) and SS2 (dates)

3) having trouble locking down a director, he "feels" they need to at least develop the movie within 3 years (JL doesn't count, so BvS march 2016, might not want to risk leaving it till 2019), will find the right time to announce after hiring a director soon

4) Rock/his agent/HC put it out to WB they want Sup and Black Adam to interact, so they were going for Sup cameo in BA, not BA appearing in MOS2 as rumored last year.

So if we dont get a updated slate this month, can we stop bringing up "scoops" from this guy, as he doesnt have a reputation...like at all?

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Great there goes my hope that HC won't be fired.

I can't get excited that Kevin is out, after interfering in BvS SS and now JL... and the ridiculous "course correction" in JL I no longer trust anyone at WB when it comes to DC movies. It's anyone's guess how WW escaped their BS.

 

[_Superman_]

Is it wrong that I still feel like this movie has still yet to come out?

 

[Aurakles]

Given how much of the trailers wasn't in the film, it's understandable.

I'm still waiting for that Terrio written, Snyder directed, JXL scored film to come out.

 

[MbJ]

Yeah, Warner Bros really backed themselves into a corner with this one.

If I'm not mistaken, I think they had scheduled this movie to come out in Fall 2017 prior to the reception of BvS, thinking (or hoping) that BvS would be a hit and that there wouldn't be any issues heading into JL where they wouldn't have to spend extra time in reshaping their long term plans or the film's structure/narrative.

If BvS had been the big hit that they had all hoped for then I think they would have felt even more confident with their choice to release the film in November as opposed to releasing it in an already packed blockbuster summer.

There was also the matter of WB thinking their brand recognition would carry them. As has been noted a billion times, if you'd told people ten years ago that a Thor movie would be more popular than a movie starring Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, they'd probably have laughed you out of the building. WB obviously thought this was still the case (especially given that Thor's films were previously considered one of the weaker links the MCU canon) and didn't expect it to be such a massive hit.

To be fair, neither did I. I was the idiot last year who honestly thought JL was going to crush Ragnarok based on the popularity of the characters involved.

I can't tell if it's a testament to how successful Marvel has been with handling their properties or how terribly WB has.

 

[_Superman_]

There was also the matter of WB thinking their brand recognition would carry them. As has been noted a billion times, if you'd told people ten years ago that a Thor movie would be more popular than a movie starring Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, they'd probably have laughed you out of the building. WB obviously thought this was still the case (especially given that Thor's films were previously considered one of the weaker links the MCU canon) and didn't expect it to be such a massive hit.

To be fair, neither did I. I was the idiot last year who honestly thought JL was going to crush Ragnarok based on the popularity of the characters involved.

I can't tell if it's a testament to how successful Marvel has been with handling their properties or how terribly WB has.

Both I think. Marvel turned Thor and most of their movies into comedies and it has worked for them. DC however has to many hands in the pot interfering and they should've taken a break after letting Snyder put of his version of Justice League and regroup and figure out where to take the movies next. They should not have let things become so public and noticeable. Their whole PR department should be fired for this one.

 

[Arachnerd]

Their PR department is basically non-existant. It's embarassing.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

As somebody who works in PR, y'all's perception of what WB's PR department can and cannot do is kind of funny.

They have no control over when/how movies are put out. They have to base their work around the studio's calendar, and make the best hand with the cards they're dealt.

 

[MbJ]

And they did attempt the usual spin. Remember how we were told several times the reshoots were just a minor formality and the film itself was going just perfectly? Or the whole big set visit with Snyder where he and WB assured everyone they'd learned from their mistakes with Batman v. Superman?

PR reps can only do so much when you've got a train wreck behind the scenes like this.

 

[_Superman_]

And they did attempt the usual spin. Remember how we were told several times the reshoots were just a minor formality and the film itself was going just perfectly? Or the whole big set visit with Snyder where he and WB assured everyone they'd learned from their mistakes with Batman v. Superman?

PR reps can only do so much when you've got a train wreck behind the scenes like this.

There's a big difference though. The movie or work people got to see during the set visit and leading all the way up to the release was not the movie that was teased and promised to us.

 

[MbJ]

That's not really what I was getting at. I was saying that there were efforts to try and win people over and make this movie not seem like it was going to be another disaster. It just didn't work. Like, at all.

 

[_Superman_]

That's not really what I was getting at. I was saying that there were efforts to try and win people over and make this movie not seem like it was going to be another disaster. It just didn't work. Like, at all.

I think it was working for the most part until they announced reshoots and another director taking over. Before then at least for me it was working.

 

[MbJ]

I don't really think it was ever working all that much. A lot of people just didn't like the previous movies and I think that was a hurdle the movie was always going to stumble with.

There was really no scenario where Justice League would've ended up being the hit WB was thinking or hoping for. They'd burned too much audience goodwill by that point.

 

[_Superman_]

I don't really think it was ever working all that much. A lot of people just didn't like the previous movies and I think that was a hurdle the movie was always going to stumble with.

There was really no scenario where Justice League would've ended up being the hit WB was thinking or hoping for. They'd burned too much audience goodwill by that point.

I'll agree to a certain point. I think they burned up the goodwill of the public by meddling with the movies as much as they did. Had they not messed with SvB or SS like they did. Had they put out the SvB: DOJ UE and the original SS movie that was a little more darker and less funny I think the public would've had more faith in them.

 

[MbJ]

I really don't think that's the case, sadly.

 

[brandeezy89]

No, it would've been "Why didn't WB interfere and stop Ayer & Snyder's ideas from making it on the big screen".