The Justice League General & Speculation Discussion Thread - Part 7

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[Arachnerd]

Oh great, we're getting into the "Justice League is no longer a Snyder movie" argument again.

Allow me to politely throw myself off a window and plummet to the ground.

 

[harryoscop]

@Sawyer I don't, not after AOU. Quippy, non-menacing, weak Ultron, killing Quicksilver instead of Hawkeye, the forced humor etc. I'm glad the Russos are directing Infinity War instead of him. That's just the way Whedon writes his characters.. Ugh, why couldn't Patty Jenkins be brought in for the additional scenes??

 

[Talion]

Oh, I trust you when you say it's in good hands. WW was amazing & James Wan is on Aquaman, Mathew Vaughn & the BTTF guy are being courted for Flash. The future is bright for the DCEU. Whedon to me is bad for JL, what he did in AOU was just.. Too much. I'm not excited for the idea of Stepphenwolff being a quipster or there being a ton of humor.

And sorry dude, you kinda lost me on Homecoming the moment Peter started wearing a spandex Iron Man suit & Ned Leeds was turned into Ganke from Miles Morales. (maybe your theories were right)

My theories pre getting to actually know stuff? Flat out wrong. Miles isn't becoming THE Spider-Man in the MCU. Now everything else? From Tom Holland to Zendaya: Keep your cool and you will get THE best Spider-Man that the world has ever seen.

As for the DCEU: Geoff Johns and Jon Berg are heroes. They are the Kevin Feige of the DCEU and Patty Jenkins Wonder Woman is her win, but it was possible to happen the way it was because of them. Same for Whedon's involvement. Whedon won't turn "things into a joke". Joss Whedon is a visionary director that made The Avengers possible. He is now responsible for the Justice League, and who knows what the future holds after that. The future of the DCEU couldn't be more bright than it is right now.

 

[Talion]

Oh great, we're getting into the "Justice League is no longer a Snyder movie" argument again.

Allow me to politely throw myself off a window and plummet to the ground.

Film isn't made by just one person. Of course that Justice League is Zack Snyder's film. But I'd argue that it's Joss Whedon's film as well. I have confidence in this film because of Whedon, but I don't care who gets the credit for what, as long as the film is brilliant.

 

[thebatfan5194]

My theory for the whole Snyder/Whedon thing is that WB and Snyder knew there were issued with the movie and could possibly have been received similar to BvS. Snyder/WB brought in Whedon to write/rewrite some scenes to alter the tone of the movie/make it more appealing to a wider demographic, Snyder's personal tragedy happens, then they hand the reigns over to Whedon while simultaneously claiming the reshoots are "minimal" despite the fact that they are scheduled to take place over two months (1/3 the length of production!) so WB doesn't throw Snyder under the bus while he's dealing with his personal/family issues.

So in short the movie is getting retooled and while this could be a cause for alarm, at least they're actually doing something about it and not just adopting the "wait and see" mentality. They have a hit with WW and they will do everything in their power to get JL to cross the finish line.

 

[Talion]

@Sawyer I don't, not after AOU. Quippy, non-menacing, weak Ultron, killing Quicksilver instead of Hawkeye, the forced humor etc. I'm glad the Russos are directing Infinity War instead of him. That's just the way Whedon writes his characters.. Ugh, why couldn't Patty Jenkins be brought in for the additional scenes??

AoU wasn't his fault. Reported heavily from several sources back then. Studio meddling was the problem, this time - like with WW - the studio is letting people who know what they are doing running things. Finally. Like it happened with the MCU after AoU.

The good news is: BOTH the DCEU and the MCU are in great capable hands. And I'm not talking about directors, talking about the overseers.

 

[Benal]

Talion, come back in a few months. You don't believe Roven, Snyder and Emmerich? If Jett is right, the trades are going to reveal it. That's how it works with agencies and money. Credit is always given, even if the studio doesn't want it out there.

 

[harryoscop]

My theories pre getting to actually know stuff? Flat out wrong. Miles isn't becoming THE Spider-Man in the MCU. Now everything else? From Tom Holland to Zendaya: Keep your cool and you will get THE best Spider-Man that the world has ever seen.

Nope, not from Homecoming. That ship sailed a long time ago. SSM will proudly uphold that title for the forseeable future.

As for the DCEU: Geoff Johns and Jon Berg are heroes. They are the Kevin Feige of the DCEU and Patty Jenkins Wonder Woman is her win, but it was possible to happen the way it was because of them. Same for Whedon's involvement. Whedon won't turn "things into a joke". Joss Whedon is a visionary director that made The Avengers possible. He is now responsible for the Justice League, and who knows what the future holds after that. The future of the DCEU couldn't be more bright than it is right now.

Avengers was great, but I don't want Justice League to be like that movie. I want the Justice League Snyder promised in Man of Steel & BvS. Epic, mythic & huge in scale. He turned Ultron into a literal punchline. That wasn't interference from Marvel, that was him & his humor. Same for most of the ecsessivse quips & punchlines in the movie. I'm just not a fan of Whedon, I hope his involvement in this movie is barely noticeable in the final product.

 

[Superherofan123]

I don't think he movie is being changed much if at all other than the scenes that Snyder and Whedon had all ready laid out. Less than 6 months can't wait!

 

[Guts]

@Sawyer I don't, not after AOU. Quippy, non-menacing, weak Ultron, killing Quicksilver instead of Hawkeye, the forced humor etc. I'm glad the Russos are directing Infinity War instead of him. That's just the way Whedon writes his characters.. Ugh, why couldn't Patty Jenkins be brought in for the additional scenes??

After seeing how fast the Flash is in the trailers we know that Barry won't get shot to death.

 

[kguillou]

Here's my honest, personal take/opinion. Whether the reshoots are minor or major, I am hoping Whedon was brought on just to add more smaller character moments and thats it. Whedon's strength is dialogue and banter. Action is not his thing. Zack is a beast when it comes to action and i'm hoping, action wise, the film retains Zack's visual and editing style for the big set pieces. I'm anticipating that whatever the third act of this film is, its gonna be an epic monster of an action piece, probably the biggest we've seen in a CBM thus far. And I'm hoping Whedon doesn't mess with it. But, for the record, I am all for him inserting more character moments in between the punching and lasers.

 

[Talion]

For years now I haven't checked on the BOF website but on their youtube channel podcast itself. Holy hell, their talkback there is... informative. For those interested in taking a look:

http://www.batman-on-film.com/dc-co...LEAGUE_news_reshoots-have-began-2_6-5-17.html

 

[AnneFan]

Avengers was great, but I don't want Justice League to be like that movie. I want the Justice League Snyder promised in Man of Steel & BvS. Epic, mythic & huge in scale. He turned Ultron into a literal punchline. That wasn't interference from Marvel, that was him & his humor. Same for most of the ecsessivse quips & punchlines in the movie. I'm just not a fan of Whedon, I hope his involvement in this movie is barely noticeable in the final product.

Agree. I'm still a believer Whedon is filming scenes that were going to be filmed anyway, mainly involving Superman and maybe Lois. Snyder just isn't going to be the man filming or editing those scenes, but they'll fit the tone Snyder already established. A new trailer for JL is due soon I think, so did Whedon film all of that content as well, or is he going to throw it all away and re-film it? You know what I mean? This will remain a Zack Snyder film.

 

[idiot09]

Oh great, we're getting into the "Justice League is no longer a Snyder movie" argument again.

Allow me to politely throw myself off a window and plummet to the ground.

Zack set the record straight because he knew bloggers would create narratives. And now shamelessly without any self awareness, they are doing that. And worse is fans are fanning that flame.

 

[brandeezy89]

They were filming today....apparently

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/06/06/filming-justice-league-reshoots-kempton-park-today-got-late/

 

[Bagide]

Maybe they're half done already

 

[BH/HHH]

Agree. I'm still a believer Whedon is filming scenes that were going to be filmed anyway, mainly involving Superman and maybe Lois. Snyder just isn't going to be the man filming or editing those scenes, but they'll fit the tone Snyder already established. A new trailer for JL is due soon I think, so did Whedon film all of that content as well, or is he going to throw it all away and re-film it? You know what I mean? This will remain a Zack Snyder film.

Oh yeah for sure he is, after all they would have had these reshoots planned for a while.

 

[Sawyer]

Here's my honest, personal take/opinion. Whether the reshoots are minor or major, I am hoping Whedon was brought on just to add more smaller character moments and thats it. Whedon's strength is dialogue and banter. Action is not his thing. Zack is a beast when it comes to action and i'm hoping, action wise, the film retains Zack's visual and editing style for the big set pieces. I'm anticipating that whatever the third act of this film is, its gonna be an epic monster of an action piece, probably the biggest we've seen in a CBM thus far. And I'm hoping Whedon doesn't mess with it. But, for the record, I am all for him inserting more character moments in between the punching and lasers.

That's sort of where I stand, though I won't say that BVS didn't shake my confidence in his ability to craft a great third act action setpiece. But I do think that Whedon is best put to use on character, rather than action. Based on past experience, that's where Snyder is a bit rough. Taking Bruce's journey alone into consideration...

I'm gonna kill him -> I'm gonna kill him -> Send JL Youtube clip email -> I'm gonna kill him -> Wait, what did he say his mom's name was? -> Alright, I guess we're friends. -> Oh no, now he's dead. -> RIP Best Friend, sorry I failed you.

 

[Wheels]

I'm gonna kill him -> I'm gonna kill him -> Send JL Youtube clip email -> I'm gonna kill him -> Wait, what did he say his mom's name was? -> Alright, I guess we're friends. -> Oh no, now he's dead. -> RIP Best Friend, sorry I failed you.

I read this with Will Arnett's voice in my head.

 

[K-Rayner05]

So has the 3 month re-shoot thing been actually confirmed by reliable sources?

 

[idiot09]

I'm gonna kill him -> I'm gonna kill him -> Send JL Youtube clip email -> I'm gonna kill him -> Wait, what did he say his mom's name was? -> Alright, I guess we're friends. -> Oh no, now he's dead. -> RIP Best Friend, sorry I failed you.

So has the 3 month re-shoot thing been actually confirmed by reliable sources?

No.

 

[Micromind]

It's just 1 month reshoots.

Edit: Since when did BOF became informative ?

 

[BH/HHH]

It's just 1 month reshoots.

Edit: Since when did BOF became informative ?

Exactly

Jett has become an embarrassment. It's like someone whose gone Power mad, he seems to have to justify things in his posts to make himself believe them sometimes or even just to try to make others believe him. Guys gone a bit cuckoo if you ask me.