The Justice League of AMERICA???

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  1. The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    Well, they made no mention of no longer having ties to the U.N. after the roster change. So, I'd assume that they still have those ties, but they simply haven't been mentioned.
     
  2. The Leaguer Registered

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    That doesn't make any sense. This is (was) a completely new team, completely separate from the Leagues before. They started over. Unless they directly state they have ties to the UN, the only assumption that can be made is that they don't.
     
  3. The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    Superman is the "First" super hero ever. The comic strip was evented here!! From that came the comic book. All in America! Why is that a bad thing for you??? :supes:
     
  5. celldog Registered

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    Clark Kent .......American
    Bruce Wayne .....American
    Hal Jordan.......American & Military
    Ollie Queen ......American
    Barry Allen........American
    Dinah Lance........American
    Ray Palmer........American
    Carter Hall.........Naturalized Amercan
    John Jones........Naturalized American
    Snapper Carr.......Mascot American

    Not American:
    Wonder Woman
    Aquaman.........But the original's dad was an American lighthouse keeper. So he has dual citizenship. :up: :)



    Stop the hate.

    And just because they help people in more than just the USA, why is that an issue in the name??? Does the "country" America doe the same as well. Should American change its name just because we send more aid around the world (financially & tangibly) than any nation on earth??
     
  6. celldog Registered

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    oops.....

    Wally West......American

    Kyle Rayner.......American :)
     
  7. celldog Registered

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    Double oops!!!

    John Stewart.........American :up:
     
  8. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    We send less aid proportionally than most other world powers, though. Remember, we have one of, if not the, highest GDPs in the world, too.
     
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    ditto--------------------
     
  10. The Batman The Dark Knight

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    They're the Justice League of America, not FOR America. The JLA formed in America. Dosent mean they only serve america.
     
  11. celldog Registered

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    That's right!!
     
  12. celldog Registered

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    Where you getting that info??? That's a load of.....horse poop. We were the only ones that even sent military to help Tsunami victims....
     
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    The annual Foreign Operations appropriations bill, seen as the most reliable way of assessing how much the United States spends on foreign assistance, is $20.7 billion for fiscal year 2006. President Bush has asked for $23.7 billion for 2007. If approved, that would mark a near doubling of foreign assistance since 1997. In 2004, official development assistance (ODA) from the United States was 0.16 percent of its GNP. The ODA, which involves grants or loans a government gives to a development country to promote economic development and welfare, excludes military assistance that makes up a major portion of U.S. foreign aid appropriations—from $3 billion to $6 billion annually during the past ten years, according to the Congressional Research Service.

    Defenders of U.S. aid levels say the 2004 figures do not fully represent the major new projects under MCC and the HIV/AIDS account. They also stress the high level of U.S. private sector donations not included in ODA and the role of the U.S. military, which was a critical source of relief supplies after the Indian Ocean tsunami hit at the end of 2004.

    More than 100 countries get aid from America, though a handful of them receive the largest share. Israel and Egypt have traditionally been the single-largest recipients of U.S. aid, dating back to the 1978 Camp David peace accords between the two countries. For the current fiscal year, Israel will receive $2.49 billion in aid, of which $2.25 billion is military assistance. Egypt is to receive $1.78 billion, of which $1.28 billion is military assistance. Afghanistan and Iraq, involved in massive U.S.-led nation-building efforts, and Pakistan, an important ally in the war on terrorism, also receive huge amounts of foreign aid.
    :up:
     
  14. The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    Superman wasn't the first super hero ever. He was simply the first comic book super hero. Doc Savage, The Shadow, Zorro, the Scarlet Pimpernel, Herculese, Robin Hood, all of them could be considered "super heroes" in some way or another.

    Beatriz DaCosta........Brazillian
    Tora Olifsdotter........Norweigian
    Kimiyo Hoshi........Japanese
    Dimitriyevich Pushkin........Russian
    Vivian d'Aramis........French
    Constance d'Aramis........French
    Mari Jiwe McCabe........unspecified African country
    Zauriel.......heavenly entity
    Orion.......New Genisis
    Barda Free.......Apokolipse/New genisis
    Scott Free.......Apokolipse/New Genisis

    Actually, he has citizenship under false aliases in most of the world's nations. Technically, J'onn Jonzz is not and American citizen.

    No, he doesn't. His father was Atlantian. His adoptive father (who never legally adopted him) was American, but Aquaman has no American citizenship.

    There is no hate.

    That's only because the U.S. has more resources. I'd think that if Britain were as rich as were are, they'd have as much charity stuff going on in other countries. But that's not the point. The League is not made up entirely of Americans. It's scope is much larfer than just America. It doesn't even answer to the U.S. government. The "of America" part is a remnant of cold war patriotism that really needs to go away.
     
  15. yenaled 3X2(9YZ)4A

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    Aid vs. GDP as a percentage.

    In hard dollars America gives the most fund out of any major world power. But as a percentage to it's own GDP it gives the second lowest amount of Aid. Bearing in mind there was an act passed by the UN that every country would give 0.7% of it's gdp in aid, and America only gives 0.12% (even though only about 4 countries reached 0.7%).

    It's not that America don't give aid they just give a disproportionate amount of aid compaired to how rich the country is.
     
  16. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    Yeah, which is what I said. That's what the word "proportionally" means.
     
  17. celldog Registered

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    Naaaah......patriotism needs to stay. :up:
    You need more of it.



    PS.... I can't believe it's you again. :down
     
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    That's because our population is able to take up the slack! Capitalism rocks, baby!!! The private sector gives a a rate that is not calculated into the gov't dollars. Plus, add in the military aid we provide, there is no comparison......
     
  19. The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    Superman, Batman, and Green Arrow weren't founders either. The founders were Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, The Flash, and Black Canary. And, two out of the five origionals are not American.


    John Jones is a detective. John Jones is an alias. A person that does not technically exist anywhere but on forged documents. J'onn Jonzz is not an American citizen.

    If you're not going to stick to the continuity, you should at least say so.

    Jeasous of what?

    It's not the same. Yes, the U.S. government does giv aid to other countries. But it's primary concern is the United States of America. That's not the case with the League.



    Notice how I said "cold war patriotism", not patriotism in general. Adding the "of America" at the end was apart of the cold war mentality to show that all the good guys are good ol' fasioned Americans. Now, the League is very international in it's scope, and has had members from all different countries of the world. The "of America" bit really makes no sense.

    No, I'm plenty patriotic.

    That still doesn't change the fact that out international aid is not preportionate to our wealth. We give out alot, but percentage wise, other countries give alot more. We could, easily, do much more than we do. But we don't.
     
  20. Green Lantern Brightest Day

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    Actually Fire and Ice WERE on the Justice League America as that was the title of the book during the Death of Superman era, and both of them were around for that. However, I'm under the opinion that it deserves to be named the JLA. After all, lets look at the ORIGINAL Silver Age line up and who joined when. Hell, for arguments sake we'll count Aquaman as non for this:

    Superman, Batman, Green Lantern (Hal), Flash (Barry) all red blooded American
    Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter all not. So the original 7 (which at the end of IC 6 it looks like is back in continuity) 4/7 were American.

    Green Arrow, Atom, Hawkman, Black Canary, Phantom Stranger were the next five to join. Four of them were definitely American with PS being baseless. That puts membership at 12 members with 8/12 being American.

    The last five to join that group before the first massive reorginization: Elongated Man, Red Tornado, Hawkwoman, Zatanna, and Firestorm. Membership now 17, with 13/17 Americans.

    First reorginization:

    Detroit era: Aquaman, Zatanna, Elongated Man, Martian Manhunter stayed on. 2/4 American

    Vibe joined (Puerto Rican - American)
    Steel joined (American)
    Vixen joined (African)
    Gypsy joined (American)

    New membership 8 members, five American. Still a majority.

    Next reorginization: Now having UN sanction and having dropped the America brand for a time. (Issues 1-6 were JL; 7-25 were JLI, then the title changed to JLA and added JLE as a second title)

    Membership of the JL/JLI/JLA portion:
    Blue Beetle II (Ted Kord) - American
    Captain Marvel - American
    Doctor Fate (Kent Nelson) - American
    Green Lantern IV (Guy Gardner) - American
    Mister Miracle - Alien
    Booster Gold - American
    Fire (initially Green Flame) - Brazillian
    Ice (initially Icemaiden II) (Tora Olafsdotter) - Norweigian
    Doctor Light IV (Kimiyo Hoshi) - Japanese
    Captain Atom - American
    Rocket Red 7 (a Manhunter cyborg) - Alien
    Rocket Red 4/13 (Dimitri Pushkin) - Russian
    Hawkman II - American
    Hawkwoman - American
    Huntress - American
    Doctor Fate II (Linda Strauss) - American
    Lightray - Alien
    Orion - Alien
    General Glory - American
    Bloodwynd - Later revealed to be Martian Manhunter - Alien
    Maxima - Alien
    Ray II (Ray Terrill) - American
    Maya - Indian
    Flash (Jay Garrick) - American

    Total membership of that team: 24 members, 13 American. Still a majority.

    The Europe branch:

    * Animal Man - American
    * Flash III (Wally West) - American
    * Metamorpho - American
    * Power Girl - American
    * Crimson Fox (Vivian D'aramis) - French
    * Crimson Fox II (Constance D'aramis) - French
    * Blue Jay - Alien
    * Silver Sorceress - Alien
    * Tasmanian Devil - Tasmanian
    9 members, 2 European, 4 American.

    Then with the next reformation there were three teams:

    America:
    Wonder Woman, Flash II, Fire, Metamorpho, Crimson Fox, Hawkman, Nuclon, Obsidian, Blue Devil, Ice Maiden. 10 members, 6 American. Still a majority.

    Task Force:
    Martian Manhunter, Gypsy, Ray II, Despero II, Mystek, and Triumph. 6 members 3 American.

    Extreme Justice:
    Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Maxima, Firestorm, the Wonder Twins, Amazing Man II, and Plastique (Canuck). 9 members, 5 American.

    Then was the last reformation, the JLA era:

    Flash, Superman, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Green Lantern (Kyle), and Martian Manhunter founding. 4/7 American

    # Tomorrow Woman - Robot
    # Aztek - Mexican
    # Green Arrow II (Connor Hawke) - American
    # Oracle - American
    # Plastic Man - American
    # Steel III (John Henry Irons) - American
    # Zauriel - Angel
    # Wonder Woman III (Hippolyta) - Themyscrian
    # Big Barda - Alien
    # Hourman III (Matthew Tyler) - Robot
    * Antaeus - American
    * Nightwing - American
    * Faith - American
    * Hawkgirl II (Kendra Saunders) - American
    * Jason Blood (Etrigan, The Demon) - British
    * Green Lantern III (John Stewart) - American
    * Manitou Raven - Native American
    Plus several former members that we've already talked about. Out of the new members: 10/17 American

    It has always been predominantly an American team, even when it WAS the Justice League International or the Justice League Europe.
     
  21. The Question Objectivism doesn't work.

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    Wow. That was thorough. And even so, I still think the "of America" bit just doesn't fit. They've had non American members in the past, and the only reason that the Leagu has so many American members is because America has the largest metahuman population (seeing as how it has the second largest population, next to China).
     
  22. Darthphere Kneel before 'Drox!

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    Anybody who is an alien on the JLA is an illegal immigrant and should be sent back to Mexico.
     
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    but the Freedom of Power Treaty makes the America argument obsolete
     
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    So that takes out Superman, Martian Manhunter, Red Tornado, Kyle Rayner's ring...

    now presenting: The Justice League of Mexico! Starring Superman, Martian Manhunter, Red Tornado's essence, and the ring of Kyle Rayner!!!
     
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    You forgot Green Lantern, he was one of the founder also.


    -Doc
     

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