The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 5

[Eddie]

Yeah, like how the actors don't seem to spend any actual time in Baton Rouge. Miles Teller is in Atlanta filming Divergent, and Kate Mara Tweeted this last night:

https://***********/_KateMara/status/475842094469099520/photo/1

More troubling to me is all the photographic evidence that Miles Teller is in the gym getting into superhero shape NOW as opposed to when the filming started. You do not work out for a superhero role that you're allegedly halfway done filming. That's either going to look pretty inconsistent or it's more evidence of something bizarre going on here.

OR! (Tinfoil hat time!)
Maybe filming "started" some time ago to keep the rights when Trank realized they wouldn't actually be ready to really start until shortly after the rights would have expired.

note: I do not necessarily endorse that crazy theory, I'm just throwing it out there.

 

[Tony Stark]

I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes that is making this movie move at a slow pace from being made. Fox was intent on getting this abomination out and building a universe but now it seems they are focused on the X-verse only. The rights have at max until August to go back and I'm only saying that because I'm counting it's entire theatrical run but nothing seems to be happening at all right now and with Disney stealing Trank from under Fox's nose, the main actors all being busy and none seem to be anywhere near the set, it just doesn't look good. I still believe that Fox wants Disney to buy these rights back and as long as the movie is in production, they can hold onto them. Only time will tell.

It seems to me that they don't want to invest the money to make this movie seriously. DOFP had a 200M budget and while I loved the film, I'm not going to say the special effects were out of this world. They were good, but not great. For a film like FF, they would need to spend at least 75% of DOFP's budget to make it on par with what's being released now a day. Does anyone think that this movie would make back 175M domestic? The first film would have made that adjusted for inflation and with 3D, but not the 2nd, and with all the negative press behind this film, it's almost a no-go from the start.

It's really sad if Fox is just trying to jerk people's chain, just to extort some money out of Disney. If they are serious about this project then fine, but this has been so dragged out for a film supposedly coming out in 2015. Is there even a comic-con panel slated this year?

 

[Dark Raven]

I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes that is making this movie move at a slow pace from being made.

I think Disney and Fox swapped Trank and Edgar Wright from their productions. Wright is now working on FFINO, which should be ready in about 8 years from now. Well, the script at least.

 

[Spiderine]

Does anybody know what percentage Marvel/Disney would get from the FF movie box office receipts?

 

[SpideyFan866]

does anybody know what percentage marvel/disney would get from the ff movie box office receipts?

0%.

 

[Donut]

This movie wont make enough for anyone to get anything

 

[Spiderine]

0%.

Really? Nothing

Is it because Marvel has the merchandising and animation rights?

 

[Spiderine]

This movie wont make enough for anyone to get anything

Im Still waiting on more evidence that a freaking movie is happening.

 

[starscream22]

Does anybody know what percentage Marvel/Disney would get from the FF movie box office receipts?

Somewhere between 7% and 10%.

 

[Mr.M]

It could very well be that this project is reworked into something else, or Fox simply folds. I don't see a director like Trank walking away from Star Wars. Hell, he'd take the TV show if he had to, since he's very good and maximizing the bang for the buck.

Plus, I don't believe the commission has gone anywhere, so Fox still has to fork the 5-7% of box office receipts. They know the film won't be profitable. This is a keep away game and nothing more.

In fact, I think Fox would prefer to give up FF as long as Marvel can make them concessions. The problem could be that Disney is greedy and wants an all or nothing deal, which includes not giving an inch on the X-Men. Clearly, X-Men are less of a fit than Batman in the current MCU, so if that merchandising deal is still on the table, that's what I am angling for if I am Fox.

 

[Dark Raven]

It could very well be that this project is reworked into something else, or Fox simply folds. I don't see a director like Trank walking away from Star Wars. Hell, he'd take the TV show if he had to, since he's very good and maximizing the bang for the buck.

Plus, I don't believe the commission has gone anywhere, so Fox still has to fork the 5-7% of box office receipts. They know the film won't be profitable. This is a keep away game and nothing more.

In fact, I think Fox would prefer to give up FF as long as Marvel can make them concessions. The problem could be that Disney is greedy and wants an all or nothing deal, which includes not giving an inch on the X-Men. Clearly, X-Men are less of a fit than Batman in the current MCU, so if that merchandising deal is still on the table, that's what I am angling for if I am Fox.

I think they could easily film with 2 scripts, one with all of the FF names changed to Chronicle 2 names. Most films have more than one take anyway, so it's not difficult to do that here.

But of course, that would actually require the actors to spend time filming this project, which they don't seem to be doing at all.

 

[Docker2.0]

It could very well be that this project is reworked into something else, or Fox simply folds. I don't see a director like Trank walking away from Star Wars. Hell, he'd take the TV show if he had to, since he's very good and maximizing the bang for the buck.

Plus, I don't believe the commission has gone anywhere, so Fox still has to fork the 5-7% of box office receipts. They know the film won't be profitable. This is a keep away game and nothing more.

In fact, I think Fox would prefer to give up FF as long as Marvel can make them concessions. The problem could be that Disney is greedy and wants an all or nothing deal, which includes not giving an inch on the X-Men. Clearly, X-Men are less of a fit than Batman in the current MCU, so if that merchandising deal is still on the table, that's what I am angling for if I am Fox.

That's what I think. I think Fox would gladly give F4 back if Disney paid for it or increased the rights to Xmen, which I'm sure Disney is saying f u for even thinking asking us for it. It's pretty clear that this is a game of chicken, especially with Disney hiring Trank to do Star Wars. We just have to wait until the next move but I doubt we get a check mate any time soon.

 

[kguillou]

I think by Comic Con, everything will be clear because if this movie is supposed to come out next year then there HAS to be a comic con panel......right? I mean Batman vs Superman is two years away and I guarantee you Warner is going to have a panel for that.

 

[Dark Raven]

Why does there HAVE to be a comic con panel? They could do everything under the radar, just like they are already doing. You'd think with the movie being in production for 5 weeks already, there HAS to be evidence of them filming, but there isn't.

 

[kguillou]

Yeah, but in this day and age you need to build hype for your film, if no one knows it exists that can't possibly be a a good thing.Again, this isn't some small budget indie film, this is a major Marvel Comics comic book film like X-men.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah, but in this day and age you need to build hype for your film, if no one knows it exists that can't possibly be a a good thing.Again, this isn't some small budget indie film, this is a major Marvel Comics comic book film like X-men.

But when you look at everything else they're doing, aren't they treating this more like a small-budget indie film than a major Marvel Comics comic book film?

 

[Eddie]

I'm going to bring up Dragonball Evolution again, because, well, that's what this movie most reminds me of so far. Dragonball Evolution had a presentation at Jump Festa (for the sake of convenience, think of it as Japanese Comic Con). From what I've heard, the fans laughed at it and it did nothing to positively generate hype. Perhaps Fox knows they have another Evolution on their hands.

 

[Dark Raven]

But that movie still came out, right? And it was undoubtedly a flop.

 

[Kanon]

I'm going to bring up Dragonball Evolution again, because, well, that's what this movie most reminds me of so far. Dragonball Evolution had a presentation at Jump Festa (for the sake of convenience, think of it as Japanese Comic Con). From what I've heard, the fans laughed at it and it did nothing to positively generate hype. Perhaps Fox knows they have another Evolution on their hands.

It reeks of Dragonball Evolution, except that with DBE we had tons of set pics, and the cast, god bless them, promoted the film with high hopes and proud of what they were doing...

 

[Eddie]

But that movie still came out, right? And it was undoubtedly a flop.

The crazy thing about that is it probably broke even (if not made a very small profit). Fox seems to have lied about the budget. They were saying it was going to have a $100 million budget (which, oddly enough, is the same thing we're hearing with The Fantastic Four) and the actual budget was allegedly a meager $30 million. With such a tiny budget for a film with that name recognition worldwide, they probably made their money back with the home release and merchandising deals.

And yes, Dragonball Evolution had merchandise. We can't get one damn Days of Future Past action figure and DBE had at least three separate toy lines, a sticker book, children's book adaptations, and a game. If DoFP is any indication, The Fantastic Four will not get any significant merchandise. We live in a world where the Fu-Lum have an action figure and movie Blink doesn't.

 

[starscream22]

Why does there HAVE to be a comic con panel? They could do everything under the radar, just like they are already doing. You'd think with the movie being in production for 5 weeks already, there HAS to be evidence of them filming, but there isn't.

Yeah, but in this day and age you need to build hype for your film, if no one knows it exists that can't possibly be a a good thing.Again, this isn't some small budget indie film, this is a major Marvel Comics comic book film like X-men.

In most cases it would be wise for a studio would make their presence known at comic con but this is a unique situation where the reboot feels more like trade bait than something Fox passionately wants to build on. Lauren Shuler-Donner and Singer have nothing to do with this reboot.

If nothing else I see Kinberg doing his usual spiel on a "gritty, grounded, CW-esk crap fest" with nothing else to offer on it because there really isn't anything else to it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The crazy thing about that is it probably broke even (if not made a very small profit). Fox seems to have lied about the budget. They were saying it was going to have a $100 million budget (which, oddly enough, is the same thing we're hearing with The Fantastic Four) and the actual budget was allegedly a meager $30 million. With such a tiny budget for a film with that name recognition worldwide, they probably made their money back with the home release and merchandising deals.

I have a feeling they're trying something very similar here. The $100 million budget that we've seen was based on a release from Baton Rouge - the clear intention being that Fox and Baton Rouge were saying "look at this big-budget film that will have a positive impact impact on the local economy"

But this film clearly is NOT having an impact on the local economy. It's practically invisible.

There seems no reasonable doubt at this point that FF will have a very low budget and try to squeeze as much value out of the name with as little investment as possible.

 

[Eddie]

I have a feeling they're trying something very similar here. The $100 million budget that we've seen was based on a release from Baton Rouge - the clear intention being that Fox and Baton Rouge were saying "look at this big-budget film that will have a positive impact impact on the local economy"

But this film clearly is NOT having an impact on the local economy. It's practically invisible.

There seems no reasonable doubt at this point that FF will have a very low budget and try to squeeze as much value out of the name with as little investment as possible.

Fox showed with DBE that they're willing to pull some shady things when they're trying to "sell" a movie at that early stage. James Marsters alone has said the budget was wrong (can't recall if he specifically came out against the budget, but he was quoting that $100 million number when promoting the film that we know was not true), he had no stunt double when he went to Mexico to film, and Stephen Chow was a producer in name only (apparently Marsters, who played the lead villain, never met the guy).

To be fair in regards to that Baton Rouge economy, though, I'm pretty sure a couple of the actors were spotted in a local grocery store early on in the alleged filming of The Fantastic Four. That's probably a solid $20 that Baton Rouge simply wouldn't have had without this project.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe the budget solely consists of living, eating and travelling expenses to and from Baton Rouge just to put in the occasional appearance. Even living extravagantly, I can't see that warrants $100 million.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I have a feeling they're trying something very similar here. The $100 million budget that we've seen was based on a release from Baton Rouge - the clear intention being that Fox and Baton Rouge were saying "look at this big-budget film that will have a positive impact impact on the local economy"

But this film clearly is NOT having an impact on the local economy. It's practically invisible.

There seems no reasonable doubt at this point that FF will have a very low budget and try to squeeze as much value out of the name with as little investment as possible.

I dunno. I'm sure whenever they're in town Teller and co. are hitting a Starbuck's and maybe even a restaurant now and then. The warehouse they're filming in is worth a rent check. Trank probably bought some batteries at Radio Shack. And look at all the publicity Baton Rouge is getting as a result. I'm sure the mayor is very happy.