The Kennedy Thread

And wasn't one of those angles all wrong from his shooting position?

Yup. Getting those shots off from his position is one thing. Hitting the President of the United States, a moving target, in the head with three shots in under six seconds is an entirely different matter.
 
Iv been here since 2003 an have never seen one for this. Its been mentioned in a few "conspiracy" threads but only a passing mention really. I believe the answer is still to be found an dont see this subject as "dead". To me looking at threads about Lohan's lack of bra weariing or "im gonna /wrists cause im emo love me daddy im writing poems about death" garbage is more worthless then this.

I'm sorry. Maybe you're new to the internet, 'cause of course you can't be on 24/7, and see every thread that may've popped up.
But THAT'S where this cool "search" function comes in.
Like, I just searched for "Kennedy Assassination" (and I only looked for threads about it. If I'd searched posts and used different combinations of words, I'd find way more)
and found:

JFK Conspiracy

Kennedy Assassination: New Footage Unearthed

JFK Murder Mystery

Who Really Killed JFK

Who Do You Think Killed Kennedy

40 Years Ago, What Really Happened

...just found those effortlessly, and I didn't even include ones I found that were just about conspiracies in general but got dominated by the JFK Conspiracy.


Also, people complain about Lohan, Paris Hilton, Tom Cruise and "Girl Advice" threads as being "Tired Subjects" A.L.L. the time....only usually the threadmaker isn't such a defensive jerk about it.

But I know your type, rather than take any constructive criticism or expression of a different opinion, you scream "Troll" and try in your impotence to get people in trouble by crying to a mod....so rest assured, th^t was all I had to say...and it WASN'T "trolling" and I won't return to your redundant thread.:up:
 
cause of course you can't be on 24/7, and see every thread that may've popped up.
:up:


You are 100% correct.

You came in to the thread went off subject to gripe you didnt like the content. Thats trolling. Go somewhere else to troll I dont find you half as funny as some seem too. Im asking you politely to not post in the thread if you have nothing to contribute other then "this is old". Thanks.
 
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I believe what is documented in the Warren Commission. On Discovery Channel, there used to be a series called "Unsolved History" (it's on Discovery Times now in reruns) and they tested every possibility. It pretty much debunked every conspiracy theory. If you are interested in the subject, I'd recommend checking it out.

http://shopping.discovery.com/product-54765.html
 
I remember actually seeing JFK years ago becoming obsessed with the topic. I found the thing so intriguing and at the same time scary. To this day, I still find that troubling that people think that Oswald acted alone. There's far too much evidence that points to a conspiracy. As pointed out, Kennedy had tons of enemies (mobsters, the Communist Party, even within the government) who wanted him out of the way. Also, the Warren Commission does not seem accurate to me at all. I think a lot is still covered up. For example, the "Magic Bullet" theory is quite possibly the most mystifyingly stupid theory I've ever heard.
 
A recorder on one of the police motorcycles in the motorcade recorded four shots. We know Lee Harvey Oswald shot only three.

"In response to Thomas's findings, Michael O'Dell concluded in his report that the prior reports relied on incorrect timelines and made unfounded assumptions that, when corrected, do not support the identification of gunshots on the recording.

In 2003, ABC News aired the results of their investigation of the assassination in a news-documentary program called Peter Jennings Reporting: The Kennedy Assassination — Beyond Conspiracy. Based on computer diagrams and recreations done by Dale K. Myers, ABC News concluded that the sound recordings on the Dictabelt could not have come from Dealey Plaza and that the Police Officer H.B. McLain was correct in his assertions that he had not yet entered Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination."

i watched this program and i have a pretty good knowledge on how 3d models/simulations work. Dale K. Myers recreated the events on that day to almost exact accuracy using multiple videos with multiple angles to trace where H.B. McLain was during the assassination and the simulation shows that he had not entered the Plaza yet.

And the last shot, the one that killed Kennedy, hits the head in such a way that it pushes it backwards. I don't care what any documentary on Discovery of the History Channel tells me, theres no way that the momentum of a bullet coming from behind would force something to move in the direction the bullet came from. It's contrary to common sense, and the good old expression "I don't believe unless I see it" is quite applicable here.

maybe you better take a better look at the Zapruder footage. if you watch carefully right before the Kennedy's head flings back there are 2 frames where his head jolts forward. it's a significant jolt right before his head flings back. it's almost as if a bullet hit him from behind that made his head jolt forward. if you don't believe me take a look for yourself...

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/jfk468.gif

...scientists have proposed the theory the reason his head flung backwards was the result of his skull exploding. the positioning of the exit wound (front, right of his head) supports that theory and i happen to agree with it.

Also, the Warren Commission does not seem accurate to me at all. I think a lot is still covered up. For example, the "Magic Bullet" theory is quite possibly the most mystifyingly stupid theory I've ever heard.
i've never read the Warren Commission report's theory but the special on ABC called "the Kennedy Assassination: Beyond Conspiracy" showed a 3d simulation of how it could've happened. they took into account the body positioning and locations. it's only a magic bullet if both men were facing directly forward with Connelly directly in front of Kennedy like this...

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but both men were slightly facing their right side (towards the crowd) and Connelly's seat was a little bit towards the middle of the car. there was a small space between Connelly and the door. put those factors in together and it doesn't seem so much like a magic bullet...

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...that 3d simulation was also able to use Connely and Kennedy's wounds as reference points for creating the trajectory of the bullet. they were able to trace the origin of that bullet to........you guess it.......the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository.
 
"In response to Thomas's findings, Michael O'Dell concluded in his report that the prior reports relied on incorrect timelines and made unfounded assumptions that, when corrected, do not support the identification of gunshots on the recording.

In 2003, ABC News aired the results of their investigation of the assassination in a news-documentary program called Peter Jennings Reporting: The Kennedy Assassination — Beyond Conspiracy. Based on computer diagrams and recreations done by Dale K. Myers, ABC News concluded that the sound recordings on the Dictabelt could not have come from Dealey Plaza and that the Police Officer H.B. McLain was correct in his assertions that he had not yet entered Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination."

i watched this program and i have a pretty good knowledge on how 3d models/simulations work. Dale K. Myers recreated the events on that day to almost exact accuracy using multiple videos with multiple angles to trace where H.B. McLain was during the assassination and the simulation shows that he had not entered the Plaza yet.



maybe you better take a better look at the Zapruder footage. if you watch carefully right before the Kennedy's head flings back there are 2 frames where his head jolts forward. it's a significant jolt right before his head flings back. it's almost as if a bullet hit him from behind that made his head jolt forward. if you don't believe me take a look for yourself...

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/jfk468.gif

...scientists have proposed the theory the reason his head flung backwards was the result of his skull exploding. the positioning of the exit wound (front, right of his head) supports that theory and i happen to agree with it.


i've never read the Warren Commission report's theory but the special on ABC called "the Kennedy Assassination: Beyond Conspiracy" showed a 3d simulation of how it could've happened. they took into account the body positioning and locations. it's only a magic bullet if both men were facing directly forward with Connelly directly in front of Kennedy like this...

mbf.jpg



but both men were slightly facing their right side (towards the crowd) and Connelly's seat was a little bit towards the middle of the car. there was a small space between Connelly and the door. put those factors in together and it doesn't seem so much like a magic bullet...

mbt.jpg


...that 3d simulation was also able to use Connely and Kennedy's wounds as reference points for creating the trajectory of the bullet. they were able to trace the origin of that bullet to........you guess it.......the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository.


That video is fake. The blood mist was edited in by someone at a later date.
 
yeah!!
and i hear they're going to do a remake of it and the guy who did 300's blood effects is going to take over the project.:up::up:


Ok.

Anyway notice the head movement along with the blood spray. If he was shot from the back why would his head go back to the direction of the initial impact? When you get punched in the face does your head move INTO the fist an not away from it? No it doesnt.
 
Based on computer diagrams and recreations done by Dale K. Myers, ABC News concluded that the sound recordings on the Dictabelt could not have come from Dealey Plaza and that the Police Officer H.B. McLain was correct in his assertions that he had not yet entered Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination.".

I think I would put more faith into the House Committee of Assassinations then ABC News. If it was covered up, the U.S. government would have quite the motivation to cover it up as much as possible, yet in 1979, the House of Representatives determined that there was a second shooter. Not to mention that the committee had access to literally thousands of classifed CIA and FBI files pretaining to the assassination that are still not publically available, including to ABC in 2003. I would rely more on the findings of a government whom has further implicated themselves then a ABC News documentary that is already very questionable in it's findings. I'll address some of the scientific findings of the documentary later on tonight, because I am also very educated on this matter.
 
Based on computer diagrams and recreations done by Dale K. Myers, ABC News concluded that the sound recordings on the Dictabelt could not have come from Dealey Plaza and that the Police Officer H.B. McLain was correct in his assertions that he had not yet entered Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination.".

I think I would put more faith into the House Committee of Assassinations then ABC News. If it was covered up, the U.S. government would have quite the motivation to cover it up as much as possible, yet in 1979, the House of Representatives determined that there was a second shooter. Not to mention that the committee had access to literally thousands of classifed CIA and FBI files pretaining to the assassination that are still not publically available, including to ABC in 2003. I would rely more on the findings of a government whom has further implicated themselves then a ABC News documentary that is already very questionable in it's findings. I'll address some of the scientific findings of the documentary later on tonight, because I am also very educated on this matter.
 
Based on computer diagrams and recreations done by Dale K. Myers, ABC News concluded that the sound recordings on the Dictabelt could not have come from Dealey Plaza and that the Police Officer H.B. McLain was correct in his assertions that he had not yet entered Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination.".

I think I would put more faith into the House Committee of Assassinations then ABC News. If it was covered up, the U.S. government would have quite the motivation to cover it up as much as possible, yet in 1979, the House of Representatives determined that there was a second shooter. Not to mention that the committee had access to literally thousands of classifed CIA and FBI files pretaining to the assassination that are still not publically available, including to ABC in 2003. I would rely more on the findings of a government whom has further implicated themselves then a ABC News documentary that is already very questionable in it's findings. I'll address some of the scientific findings of the documentary later on tonight, because I am also very educated on this matter.
 
Oswald spent a lot of time in Europe. Whos to say he didnt align with the russians at some point? Perhaps they used Oswald because if it was known back then communists had killed the American president we might have had a nuclear war. Russians wanted him dead as much as anyone but not if it meant nuclear war. Using Oswald solved that problem.

The russian made SVD rifle just happened to have been created in 1963.
 
Ok.

Anyway notice the head movement along with the blood spray. If he was shot from the back why would his head go back to the direction of the initial impact? When you get punched in the face does your head move INTO the fist an not away from it? No it doesnt.

Are you comparing a bullet shot several hundred feet away with a rifle to a punch? That is incredibly dumb. Penn & Teller did the test on their show. They had a melon on a stand, Teller shot it with a similar rifle and it fell towards them, not away from them.
 
Are you comparing a bullet shot several hundred feet away with a rifle to a punch? That is incredibly dumb. Penn & Teller did the test on their show. They had a melon on a stand, Teller shot it with a similar rifle and it fell towards them, not away from them.

Are you comparing a melon on a stand to a human head? Thats pretty dumb.

The first shot went clean through his neck into connely shoulder. JFK barely moved. Why when it hit him in the head did the bullet have an expolde type effect for the head shot? He barely moved when shot in the neck yet when shot in the head hes flung BACKWARDS towards the point of impact. Makes no sense. Watch the video. If it hit him in the back of his skull why would his whole body jerk towards the shooter instead of away where the bullets momentum was going.

Penn an Teller, wow im impressed. :whatever:
 
Are you comparing a melon on a stand to a human head? Thats pretty dumb.

The Melon, which was wrapped with a special tape, had the exact same consistencies as a human head. It was placed on the stand so it's movement was clear.

The first shot went clean through his neck into connely shoulder. JFK barely moved. Why when it hit him in the head did the bullet have an expolde type effect for the head shot? He barely moved when shot in the neck yet when shot in the head hes flung BACKWARDS towards the point of impact. Makes no sense. Watch the video. If it hit him in the back of his skull why would his whole body jerk towards the shooter instead of away where the bullets momentum was going.

Penn an Teller, wow im impressed. :whatever:

He barely moved because he was shot in the neck. It's more stable than the head. That's why he barely moved when he was hit. It jerks towards the shooter because that is how the body reacts. If you don't believe me, go check out the episode (download it, rent it, whatever). It is proof his head would have moved back when shot from behind. If I am wrong, then it should not be hard to prove it.
 
That video is fake. The blood mist was edited in by someone at a later date.
you talkin' bout the Zapruder film? blood myst or not, it's clear to see that the front of his head exploded. if he was shot from the front, the back of his head would've exploded and the explosion would've sent his head forward instead of backward....it's simple physics.

Anyway notice the head movement along with the blood spray. If he was shot from the back why would his head go back to the direction of the initial impact? When you get punched in the face does your head move INTO the fist an not away from it? No it doesnt.
i didn't realize people's heads exploded when they get punched...:whatever: you can't compare a punch to a bullet shot. that's like trying to compare a bruised arm to a severed arm. also, it's obvious you didn't look at the link i provided. if you did, you would've seen that his head jolted forward for 2 frames right before his head flings back.

I think I would put more faith into the House Committee of Assassinations then ABC News.
the problem with that train of thought is that you're assuming that nothing authentic or worthwhile can come from a tv special. i'm not looking at it from the point of view of "it's just tv, everything's fake". i looked at it from an unbiased point of view and the results from the 3d simulation look damn accurate despite it being on an ABC special.

if that exact 3d simulation came from the House Committee of Assassinations would it be any more or less credible?

The first shot went clean through his neck into connely shoulder. JFK barely moved. Why when it hit him in the head did the bullet have an expolde type effect for the head shot? He barely moved when shot in the neck yet when shot in the head hes flung BACKWARDS towards the point of impact. Makes no sense. Watch the video. If it hit him in the back of his skull why would his whole body jerk towards the shooter instead of away where the bullets momentum was going.
if you're comparing a neck to a skull you must not know anatomy...

...his neck didn't explode because necks normally don't explode when struck by bullets. it's not uncommon for heads to explode when struck by a bullet. the skull has space inside of it for the brain. it's much like coconut...if you drain it, it'll be hollow. when a bullet breaks through an encasement (skull) a lot of the time when he exits it takes chunks of the encasement with it. in other words...the bullet hit bone and broke a lot of the bone when it exited. the neck is a different story because the neck is belt nothing like the skull. it's ridiculous to think the neck is going to act the same way as a skull when being struck by a bullet.

and once again, you obviously didn't click the link i provided because it clearly shows his head jolting FORWARD before it flings backwards...
 
you talkin' bout the Zapruder film? blood myst or not, it's clear to see that the front of his head exploded. if he was shot from the front, the back of his head would've exploded and the explosion would've sent his head forward instead of backward....it's simple physics.


i didn't realize people's heads exploded when they get punched...:whatever: you can't compare a punch to a bullet shot. that's like trying to compare a bruised arm to a severed arm. also, it's obvious you didn't look at the link i provided. if you did, you would've seen that his head jolted forward for 2 frames right before his head flings back.


the problem with that train of thought is that you're assuming that nothing authentic or worthwhile can come from a tv special. i'm not looking at it from the point of view of "it's just tv, everything's fake". i looked at it from an unbiased point of view and the results from the 3d simulation look damn accurate despite it being on an ABC special.

if that exact 3d simulation came from the House Committee of Assassinations would it be any more or less credible?


if you're comparing a neck to a skull you must not know anatomy...

...his neck didn't explode because necks normally don't explode when struck by bullets. it's not uncommon for heads to explode when struck by a bullet. the skull has space inside of it for the brain. it's much like coconut...if you drain it, it'll be hollow. when a bullet breaks through an encasement (skull) a lot of the time when he exits it takes chunks of the encasement with it. in other words...the bullet hit bone and broke a lot of the bone when it exited. the neck is a different story because the neck is belt nothing like the skull. it's ridiculous to think the neck is going to act the same way as a skull when being struck by a bullet.

and once again, you obviously didn't click the link i provided because it clearly shows his head jolting FORWARD before it flings backwards...


My example of punching is about momentum not force. When you get punched the momentum pushes you away from the fist, not to it like you are suggesting for a bullet.

His head does not jolt forward first in your video hes starting to slump forward when the bullet from the front flings his head back. Also the front of his face isnt the one that was blown up it was the back of his head check the autopsy photos. If the bullet hit him in the back of the head first why would the bullet have blown up the back of his head an not the front where it should have?

The bullet comes from in front thats why. It hits him just above the ear on the rights side. The angle in which the bullet entered is the wrong angle for Oswald to have shot but a perfect angle for someone from the knoll laying down with the rifle point slight upward to have done.
 
Watch the Zapruder film. The driver of the car pulls out a gun an shoots JFK in the side of the head.
 
My example of punching is about momentum not force. When you get punched the momentum pushes you away from the fist, not to it like you are suggesting for a bullet.
Bullets pierce through you. Punches don't. That is why the body reacts differently to each.

Stop with your conspiracy theories. You are making claims with no evidence to back it up.
 
the problem with that train of thought is that you're assuming that nothing authentic or worthwhile can come from a tv special. i'm not looking at it from the point of view of "it's just tv, everything's fake". i looked at it from an unbiased point of view and the results from the 3d simulation look damn accurate despite it being on an ABC special.

if that exact 3d simulation came from the House Committee of Assassinations would it be any more or less credible?


The problem with your line of thinking is that your making the assumption that I'm assuming. I'm not giving complete discredit to the ABC special, and I'm certainly not implying that "nothing authentic or worthwhile can come from a tv special". What I am saying is that I would put more faith in the information provided to us by the U.S. government and not ABC News. Considering that the U.S. government is held responsible by many for the JFK assassination, it seems that it would be odd for the government to say that there was a second assassin if they weren't pretty damn sure. Plus, as I mentioned, and you didn't address, the House Committee on Assassinations had access to thousands of classified scientific reports, testimonies, and interviews that still to this day have not been classified, and that ABC News did not have at their disposal while making their documentary. And it is naive to say that computer modeling alone proves that there was one assassin. Graphic modeling is an art, and like all art and media it is created and manipulated by people in any way they see fit. I'm simply saying that because ABC News says so doesnt mean it is so. They did not address many other important issues concerning November 23rd 1963, and stuck only to the material they could use to prove their case. Please, don't be so naive, and investigate some more diverse and credible sources.
 

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