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I would be delighted if some fans would join this thread for chatting and thinking about L. Thompson Lincoln/Tombstone/Big Man.
Why do you like him?
Memorable quotes?
What do you think would have been his development in further seasons?
Post some pics!
Etc...
As a starter, my recently thoughts about him.
Lincoln is my favourite super villain due to him beeing designed as serious, menacing and planning crimeboss and to the superb voice acting by Kevin Michael Richardson.
Weisman and Co. managed to establish him in "the invisible hand“ as a real cool character, owning Spider-man not only physically but his whole hero-crime-fighting integrity in a few seconds. For me, it was such a epic confrontation (many memorable quotes...).
Since then, I’ve felt Weisman & Co. stayed true to Tombstone character: He never seemed to act hotheaded or loosing his face. Always that cool evil mastermind, running his underworld business alongside public charity.
Next to Spidy, he has so many great oneliners and notions ("My party, my mess" or "Perhaps. But someone should point out I offered you a handsome salary to do just the sort of thing you did tonight. And instead, you’ve done the Big Man’s business… for free! That, my heroic friend, is what grown-ups call…irony!").
That is something from the old Gangland discussion thread:
And I think similar, in the end, there are structures in society Peter/Spidy will never be able to change. If the series had not been cancelled, we hopefully would not have seen love, peace and harmony as the final end. But rather something like Big Man keeps going on, but the Spider-Man will never give up doing the right thing and making the world a little less bad.
For that idea, Tombstone was all along the perfect fit (I can’t take Doc Oc etc. seriously as a "Big Man").
So far, so good.
In Season 2 "Gangland", something happened, what doesn’t feel right to Tombstone. I watched that episode with great anticipation, and to some point everything worked for me. It was logical, Tombs helped Spidy in front of the public.
It was unbelievable for me, he grasped after Spidie’s leg and started to battle him in t h a t situation. I mean, his evening was a mess and after Silvernerd and Doc-I-wanna-rule-the-world-Oc were finsished...why risking everything for beating Spidy? Killing him, wouldn’t make sense, because of the witnesses...so there his the point of acting like this?
I expected him to lay down quiet and let Spider-Man doing Big Man’s work for free.
After that, Spidy still would have insisted to exposing him as the Big Man, but everyone on the street just saw Lincoln saving Spidy from the villains and if I remember it right, all the time Tombstone not reffered to himself as the Big Man- so what could have used Foswell against him?! In this manner, he would have been still undiscovered.
But instead, he ruined it all himself? Because he suddendly got the brain of a Rhino or what?
Maybe Weisman & Co planned it like this: Tombstone fought against Spider-Man in the sewer, cause he saw Doc Oc as a witness (remember how they choose the camera angle from time to time from Oc’s view?) and balanced between public repute, respect in the underworld and Spider-Man. Tombstone considered it would be clever, to impress Doc Oc a by punching the hero (for the sake of his bad guy reputation) a n d get arrested by Spider-Man. For making Spidey lulled in a false sense of his power in furture encounters.
Additionally Tombstones enemies would not expect him to do big things for he will be under observation... But of course he will come back, for the sake of the way he was introduced from the start. This all would make him in the end more menacing and his evil crime boss integrity would not been demolished.
That would be pretty smart from the producers and cool for Tombstone’s comeback as the Big Man... haha, would have loved to watch a similar scence to the one in "the invisible hand" in the next (sadly never upcoming) season, when Spidy, against his expectation, will get pin downed by Tombstone again.
Otherwise, I just feel, the writers screwed it up. First creating an great character and then treating him that unworthy by changing his manner...
Why do you like him?
Memorable quotes?
What do you think would have been his development in further seasons?
Post some pics!
Etc...
As a starter, my recently thoughts about him.
Lincoln is my favourite super villain due to him beeing designed as serious, menacing and planning crimeboss and to the superb voice acting by Kevin Michael Richardson.
Weisman and Co. managed to establish him in "the invisible hand“ as a real cool character, owning Spider-man not only physically but his whole hero-crime-fighting integrity in a few seconds. For me, it was such a epic confrontation (many memorable quotes...).
Since then, I’ve felt Weisman & Co. stayed true to Tombstone character: He never seemed to act hotheaded or loosing his face. Always that cool evil mastermind, running his underworld business alongside public charity.
Next to Spidy, he has so many great oneliners and notions ("My party, my mess" or "Perhaps. But someone should point out I offered you a handsome salary to do just the sort of thing you did tonight. And instead, you’ve done the Big Man’s business… for free! That, my heroic friend, is what grown-ups call…irony!").
That is something from the old Gangland discussion thread:
And I think similar, in the end, there are structures in society Peter/Spidy will never be able to change. If the series had not been cancelled, we hopefully would not have seen love, peace and harmony as the final end. But rather something like Big Man keeps going on, but the Spider-Man will never give up doing the right thing and making the world a little less bad.
For that idea, Tombstone was all along the perfect fit (I can’t take Doc Oc etc. seriously as a "Big Man").
So far, so good.
In Season 2 "Gangland", something happened, what doesn’t feel right to Tombstone. I watched that episode with great anticipation, and to some point everything worked for me. It was logical, Tombs helped Spidy in front of the public.
It was unbelievable for me, he grasped after Spidie’s leg and started to battle him in t h a t situation. I mean, his evening was a mess and after Silvernerd and Doc-I-wanna-rule-the-world-Oc were finsished...why risking everything for beating Spidy? Killing him, wouldn’t make sense, because of the witnesses...so there his the point of acting like this?
I expected him to lay down quiet and let Spider-Man doing Big Man’s work for free.
After that, Spidy still would have insisted to exposing him as the Big Man, but everyone on the street just saw Lincoln saving Spidy from the villains and if I remember it right, all the time Tombstone not reffered to himself as the Big Man- so what could have used Foswell against him?! In this manner, he would have been still undiscovered.But instead, he ruined it all himself? Because he suddendly got the brain of a Rhino or what?
Maybe Weisman & Co planned it like this: Tombstone fought against Spider-Man in the sewer, cause he saw Doc Oc as a witness (remember how they choose the camera angle from time to time from Oc’s view?) and balanced between public repute, respect in the underworld and Spider-Man. Tombstone considered it would be clever, to impress Doc Oc a by punching the hero (for the sake of his bad guy reputation) a n d get arrested by Spider-Man. For making Spidey lulled in a false sense of his power in furture encounters.
Additionally Tombstones enemies would not expect him to do big things for he will be under observation... But of course he will come back, for the sake of the way he was introduced from the start. This all would make him in the end more menacing and his evil crime boss integrity would not been demolished.
That would be pretty smart from the producers and cool for Tombstone’s comeback as the Big Man... haha, would have loved to watch a similar scence to the one in "the invisible hand" in the next (sadly never upcoming) season, when Spidy, against his expectation, will get pin downed by Tombstone again.
Otherwise, I just feel, the writers screwed it up. First creating an great character and then treating him that unworthy by changing his manner...
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t: Kevin Michael Richardson did such a good voice job.
