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I do agree that it could of been better, but I enjoyed most of the humor. It probably seems peculiar to jump between comic beats and violent death , but it was done so they could get away with more. I could just imagine Armie's character dropping to knees after accidentally killing those two henchmen and screaming like Superman while Tonto tried to comfort him. It just wouldn't have worked.
I have no problem having a scene to lighten the mood like the scenes with the kid or in the case but there's no reason to take something like
I agree I don't see the scene bullets mentioned as being played serious as it is in the movie. But in my opinion the way it is in the movie it's out of character.burying the Rangers and make it a joke.
I mean they make a joke out of TLR killing two guys but later he knocks Tonto out with a shovel because he's going to kill Cavendish. Not to mention when the Rangers enter the canyon John wont take a gun from Dan because he wont use one.
I wanted to like TLR but for me it falls way short of the mark. As I said before if the movie had just been out and out bad I would have been less disapointed. I actually don't mind TLR not wearing his trade mark outfit in the movie. I would be lying if I didn't say a part of me doesn't like the change in outfits. I don't know if they've said why they changed it but I can see how the classic LR outfit could come off tacky. I've bought two tickets to see the movie and the soundtrack but I don't see myself buying the Blu Ray. By the way I'm 31 and I really don't remember not being a fan of TLR.
I love the first Pirates. Keira Knightley is my all time crush. I have only seen this once, but right now, I think I like it better.Better than the first Pirates? I'm not sure it's better than the third Pirates. And I HATED the third Pirates!
Thought Depp was great. Probably liked his Tonto better then his Jack Sparrow. I liked that his strange, while there, wasn't really the focal point. Cunning like Jack Sparrow, without being quite as bumbling. I also think it played well with the idea of [BLACKOUT]his emotional scars he was covering up with his childlike beliefs[/BLACKOUT].I don't hate Depp. ****, I even disliked Dark Shadows vehemently, but praised his performance. He is a great actor, even in boring films (cough-Alice in Wonderland-cough). However, his performance this time was just blah. It wasn't what killed the movie though. What killed it is how lifeless and joyless it was constructed around it. The first Pirates had a wink and charm to it. This is more like the bloated sequels. All CGI and overbudgeted stunts with no plot that does a disservice to its characters.
Monument Valley is also where Once Upon a Time in the West was shot. There are definitely a lot of Ford references as well, but the ones that stuck out the most for me were the Leone ones.P.S. If it was referencing older westerns, I'd look more to John Ford. Besides being shot in Monument Valley (like nearly every Ford western), they co-op the plot of Armie Hammer coming to town after being gone a near-decade and finding his brother has married his childhood sweetheart who he is in love with. There is even some suspicion if the child is his. Very Searchers.
John was definitely the least Leone thing about this film. No doubt there. He wasn't rough enough.Also, I heard Bruckheimer say that Armie Hammer brings a "Jimmy Stewart" quality, which tells me they were thinking of their Lone Ranger as a version of Jimmy Stewart's character from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence...a city boy with high ideals roughed up by the reality of the West, with Tonto in place of John Wayne.
I thought it was a great film.Still does not make it a good movie, however.
Because it is time to hate on the latest Depp film.Guess that means The Mask of Zorro was ridiculously disrespectful to the character of Zorro too. They were treated the same way. Didn't see anyone balk at Banderas acting a fool and being the butt of Hopkin's jokes until the end of the movie they way they're doing with Hammer.
Same here. Couldn't even recognize him. He also great in this.I didn't know that was James Badge Dale playing the brother until after the fact. Dude is on fire, this is like the third summer flick he's been in this year.
Guess that means The Mask of Zorro was ridiculously disrespectful to the character of Zorro too. They were treated the same way. Didn't see anyone balk at Banderas acting a fool and being the butt of Hopkin's jokes until the end of the movie they way they're doing with Hammer.
Agree with a lot of this (save for I didn't find Hobbit or the 3 Pirate sequels bloatedThought Depp was great. Probably liked his Tonto better then his Jack Sparrow. I liked that his strange, while there, wasn't really the focal point. Cunning like Jack Sparrow, without being quite as bumbling. I also think it played well with the idea of [BLACKOUT]his emotional scars he was covering up with his childlike beliefs[/BLACKOUT].
I thought this film was full of life and charm, and wasn't weighed down by a not so charismatic Orlando Bloom as the leading male.
And there was plenty of plot and character. The film is kinda of straight forward in that regard, while still providing the twist and turns at the end of the second act. Not sure how anyone could say there was no plot. It isn't even super convoluted like the Pirate sequels. And I am all for calling something bloated when it is. King Kong, The Hobbit, the 3 Pirate sequels, etc.. This really zipped by for me. The only real superfluous bits were HBC's and I enjoyed them. Didn't drag the film down at all for me. I even really enjoyed the framing device.
And this was a great one.
Also, I am curious. Yes funny stuff happens to John, but how is the character treated with disrespect? His biggest problem is his belief in justice. That is what gets him into trouble.
I love the first Pirates. Keira Knightley is my all time crush. I have only seen this once, but right now, I think I like it better.
Thought Depp was great. Probably liked his Tonto better then his Jack Sparrow. I liked that his strange, while there, wasn't really the focal point. Cunning like Jack Sparrow, without being quite as bumbling. I also think it played well with the idea of [BLACKOUT]his emotional scars he was covering up with his childlike beliefs[/BLACKOUT].
I thought this film was full of life and charm, and wasn't weighed down by a not so charismatic Orlando Bloom as the leading male.
And there was plenty of plot and character. The film is kinda of straight forward in that regard, while still providing the twist and turns at the end of the second act. Not sure how anyone could say there was no plot. It isn't even super convoluted like the Pirate sequels. And I am all for calling something bloated when it is. King Kong, The Hobbit, the 3 Pirate sequels, etc.. This really zipped by for me. The only real superfluous bits were HBC's and I enjoyed them. Didn't drag the film down at all for me. I even really enjoyed the framing device.
And the all CGI and stunts thing is such bull. Doesn't even make sense considering the actual content of the film. There are great, incredible action sequences, but they don't even take of 30% of the film.
Monument Valley is also where Once Upon a Time in the West was shot. There are definitely a lot of Ford references as well, but the ones that stuck out the most for me were the Leone ones.
The shot of Rebecca getting water, the reference to the desert walk from TGtBtU. Even the station shot, when they are waiting for the train was more OUaTitW, then it was High Noon. The trench coats on the platform.
And the overall plot reminded me of OUaTitW. The buzz word being progress, and the disappearance of the old west because of it. The train, the "real" source of wealth, [BLACKOUT]the fake tribe attacks[/BLACKOUT], etc.
Then of course there was the score, which not unlike many other Zimmer scores, references Morricone's score from OUaTitW. Harmonica and other general themes are all over this.
John was definitely the least Leone thing about this film. No doubt there. He wasn't rough enough.
But I saw Tonto more as a more badass Cheyenne and [BLACKOUT]Latham Cole[/BLACKOUT] as more of a Frank. A [BLACKOUT]thug attempting to go legit, but doing so by thuggish means[/BLACKOUT]. He even keeps his office on the train.
I thought it was a great film.
Guess that means The Mask of Zorro was ridiculously disrespectful to the character of Zorro too. They were treated the same way. Didn't see anyone balk at Banderas acting a fool and being the butt of Hopkin's jokes until the end of the movie they way they're doing with Hammer.
Yeah, I agree with you DarthSkywalker on a lot of things, but I just didn't feel this movie at all. I just can't shake the feeling I had after leaving the theatre: "that was it?"