The Dark Knight The Man Who Laughs: The Joker Thread 2.0

[kid bosco]

I would loove to see Scarface & Ventriloquist....
I don't think he'd be strong enough to be focused as the main villain, but man oohh man think about how creepy Nolan can play with that whole concept haha

 

[turtlefocker]

MR.Freeze

 

[kid bosco]

I still think Ra's will return.

 

[kid bosco]

ohhh How can I forget haha......

BLACK MASK FOR THE THIRD FILM!!

 

[CrypticOne]

Two-face And Only Two-face, For The Third Film!

 

[CrypticOne]

Edit.

 

[The Joker]

Two-face And Only Two-face, For The Third Film!

If the Joker wasn't the only solo villain in TDK, then Two Face sure wont be for the third movie.

 

[Eggyman]

If the Joker wasn't the only solo villain in TDK, then Two Face sure wont be for the third movie.

I'm gonna have to stop agreeing with you; people will start to talk

 

[Crook]

Two-face And Only Two-face, For The Third Film!

He really can't hold an entire movie solo, imo. Especially not after Joker. The third film NEEDS something extraordinary, if they think they can even take this franchise further than it's shaping out to be.

 

[deathfromabove]

He really can't hold an entire movie solo, imo. Especially not after Joker. The third film NEEDS something extraordinary, if they think they can even take this franchise further than it's shaping out to be.

nor should he carry an entire movie. we are witnessing the rise of the freaks in TDK and that should continue in part 3.

i say bring in selina for sure. enough time has passed and now catwoman deserves some justice...and then bring ras back. let nolan top the trilogy off with a nice little bow i say...

 

[DSET]

Rumor has it that the third film will be called "Shadow of the Bat," which is cool, but it was floated around almost a year ago around the Internet, so take that with a grain of salt.

As for the article, if Joker is indeed written out of the third film (which I hope he is), I think it makes too much sense for Catwoman to be brought in. Two-Face alone is cool, but his introduction at the end of TDK may dull the impact of him being the only villain.

With Catwoman, you get another romantic interest and the fact that she acts both as Batman's ally and Batman's nemesis when the mood suits her, which is an interesting dynamic. And as for her fitting into the "Nolanized" version of Gotham, I don't see a problem - she's basically a female cat burglar, nothing improbable about that.

id rather they did without catwoman but if they did include her I wouldnt mind her as long as she doesnt have super-human strength\9lives crazy phychopathic type thing, and I especially dont want to see her as a sidekick.

if shes just an acrobatic theif as a love intrest shed be cool for the film


my number one pick for the third film would be to recreate the holiday killer and or mix that up with a vibe from the hush and two face
and of course if they do either of thoose methods catwoman or riddler are a must

My first pick would be a movie with two face and the riddler
with more of an intense mob story.

but my hunch tells me its going to be two face\ ra's and catwoman if dawes dies in TDK.

 

[nickyg641]

I'm very disappointed to hear that the Joker is being written out, if it is true. I was actually warming up to the idea of a recast. I mean, yes, Ledger is going to turn out to be brilliant, there's no doubt about that. But the Joker as a character has existed for 68 years, and has been played by various actors. I guess what I'm getting at is that the character sort of transcends actors, and should not be limited to just one "definitive performance".

I don't want to see the Joker become an untouchable role because of Ledger. The man was a professional, not to mention a fan of the character, and wouldn't have wanted the buck to stop there.

Mind you, a recast would be walking a fine line. The actor cast cannot simply do a Heath Ledger impression, because that, above anything else, would be disrespectful. Something new should be brought to the role, because, anyway, it would be boring otherwise.

However, there should be some level of continuity, to where you can believe you're watching the same character. Which means the actor must be at least somewhat similar to Ledger in appearance, and have the acting chops to both do something different and keep in tact what Ledger did.

If they can do that, a recast could work, and work well. It would be almost symbolic, that the character transcends actors, in much the same way that James Bond (or perhaps a more analagous comparison, Ernst Stavro Blofeld) does.

Although, the actor would have to know that it would be a thankless role. Unless Ledger wins an Oscar or something, I doubt anyone would be likely to praise the new actor as good or better than Ledger. My point being, that if Ledger isn't properly recognized, the new actor never could be. It would be hard to live up to what Ledger created, and to try and out-do him would be an insult. Which is why I think the actor has to be good enough to fulfill the qualities above, but also understand that he's not trying to be better than Ledger.

The actor should be able to rival Ledger, not try to out-do him. Simply, the actor just needs to do both the character and Ledger justice.

Also, if they bring the character back, they really need to do something with him. Don't just have him be there for the sake of being there. Give the actor something to do, so they're not just being cast to replace the dead guy (think about what Ed Wood did in Plan 9 from Outer Space. He basically hired someone who looked vaguely like Bela Lugosi, stuck him in a cape that obscured his face, and gave him no lines. That's what some people have suggested they do with the Joker, and it's exactly what they shouldn't do.)

 

[Leon the Professional]

I also posted this in Harley Quinn thread but it fits here as well...

Maybe if Nolan decides against recasting the Joker, his role can be replaced by Harley Quinn in the 3rd movie. It would be a shame to not have them on screen together, but it would be an even bigger shame to not have any continuation whatsoever of Joker's presence in the 3rd movie. Especially since indications are that they were planning on bringing him back.

Say Dr. Quinzel fell in love with Joker while treating him in Arkham, but he gets the death penalty (I'm assuming Nolan didn't kill in TDK). She snaps when he dies, carves herself a smile, and carries on his legacy. This can all have happened between the events of the 2nd and 3rd movie, so that maybe Batman has to figure out who this crazy clown lady even is. This way Joker would really be an absolute, in that his existence is perpetuated even beyond his death by Harley.

I'd love to see Kristen Bell in the role, but if Harley was going to have to go solo, then they should go with a high caliber actress, say Rachel Weisz (or someone along those lines), who'd really lose herself in the role and give just as intricate a performance as Ledger seems to have given.

Hmm I know I just said high caliber actress, but it just occurred to me that Milla Jovovich might very well kick some serious ass as Harley. She tends to be in bad movies (don't understand why she kept going for those crappy Resident Evils) but she is actually quite good if you've seen some of her performances, and can play crazy easily. I could see her pull a Ledger with Harley.

 

[Moviefan289]

Well dont kill me for this,



But I think Azrael should be in the fourth movie :throws up shield:

Stick with me, a good premise could be batman's struggle to deal with the fact that there could be other heroes out there doing what he's doing. And you can't really tell me that Robin is cooler than Azrael. At least with Azrael we can have a good partner.

So my full idea:

Two face and Bane mentioned in the third. The meds Bane is on could be delt in the third (and might be delt in the second)

Azrael and batman team up against Bane in the fourth. Azrael will be the suedo enemy in the third while Bane will be the overall bad guy.


Just an idea

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I would loove to see Scarface & Ventriloquist....
I don't think he'd be strong enough to be focused as the main villain, but man oohh man think about how creepy Nolan can play with that whole concept haha

What I really wanted for TDK was a world of organized crime populated by colorful comic mob bosses like Ventriloquist, Black Mask, Penguin, etc. Instead, we're getting Gambol and Chechens.

I supposed there's always part 3, where I guess it would fit better, since by then the "freaks" will have fully overtook the old school mobs.

 

[Fred-Green]

i would like to see the 3rd movie go on with little mention of the joker and ( if nolans series will end in a trilogy) the last scene should be Gordon telling batman they found the new d.a, dead, with a smiled carved in his face and a joker card. t: and thus ends the best super hero franchise EVAH

 

[Eggyman]

I'd like to see The Riddler, but you can bet your ass that it won't happen. Film #3, Two-Face - there isn't going to be a Riddler. No way.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Actually, I suppose if I could see anyone as a third movie villain, it'd be Bane. He's the only guy I can think of that could up the ante from Joker & Two-Face.

You could also tie him back to Ra's, to bookend the series. Have him emerge as another former student of Ra's, arrived in Gotham to challenge "the great Bruce Wayne/Batman", the student Ra's so revered back in the day, before his "betrayal".

In a perfect film, Ra's would return with him, claiming Bane to be the man Bruce should've been - until Bane reveals that he has no intentions on bringing balance & harmony back to the world; he's only interested in ruling the Gotham underworld.

Well, anyways.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I really don't see The Joker being written out though. If anything I can see him causing terror in Gotham as an unseen force and having others do his dirty work.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I really don't see The Joker being written out though. If anything I can see him causing terror in Gotham as an unseen force and having others do his dirty work.

That's just not the Joker, though.

He's the last villain that would ever be an "unseen" force. That's his livelihood - being seen.

 

[ironwez20]

does anyone else think joker might get killed off

 

[Nightmare]

Clayface & bane for a 3rd movie.

 

[CrypticOne]

He really can't hold an entire movie solo, imo. Especially not after Joker. The third film NEEDS something extraordinary, if they think they can even take this franchise further than it's shaping out to be.

I don't know. I think Two-Face can hold his own if they do it right. Plus, this is Nolan we're talking about.

This trilogy, in my opinion is about the mob in Gotham, and the rise of Batman. I don't see Nolan adding aspects in this story, like Catwoman or Robin, it's early. Plus, Nolan's take on Batman is realism, so it's doubtful we'll get a Clayface or some supernatual being.

In the third film we can get the fall of the mob, and the conclusion of Harvey Dent's/Two-Face's story. To me, it sounds perfect.

 

[JokerLedger]

In my opinion, I think the next villain that can generate huge buzz is Catwoman.

 

[Nepenthes]

Movie three will fail without Catwoman or Poison Ivy.